Could we write a script to stop underage people visiting mature land

I was trying to find a way to stop under age people (ie the possibility of all of our children) from joining and visiting mature sites.

1) Create a group that you need to use a credit card to join.
Everyone who has mature sites then allows members of that group access to their land. The concern is who is getting all our credit card details. Some smart person could create the group accept credit cards and charge splitting the proceeds with the person who hosted the terminal on there land where the sign up occured or use a process to devide dollars based on number of visitors people receive who are in the group (or both) .... Don't forget to include my 50% cut for the idea.

2) We can allow everyone born prior to the rule requirement to visit land with a quick script and then manually add or remove people from a global mature group. Is this any better than the current process but at least we are putting the control in the hands of the members to police and not just hope the lindens listed to our remove underage people request.

3) I could not find a way to query and avatar as to if they are a paid account or a free account. This would be the ideal way but I can't seem to see an LSL command to support this request and are we then making a statement you have to be a subscriber to visit mature sites.



If you have any other methods post them. There are a lot of smart people on SL I am sure we can find a solution.

this is loosly based on your number one idea but with my concern for the underagers lol so i need 25% cut for my input lol

1) that until members have credit card details/paypal on file that they only be allowed into PG areas. the once credit/debit card / paypal details on file then they be allowed to mature areas, in effect the PG's areas of the main grid act as a buffer zone. i dont know how workable this is, but by god if they can give us flexi prims this must be workable!

this one i am not sure how workable it is as not sure on how many people hvae passports, and how many countries hvae now digital passporting

2) see note above but in an ideal worls another form of ID could be used for those who dont hvae either a debit/credit card or paypal, but are over 18, some sort of passport identification, I know british passports carry a digital passport number and if LL got an agreement going with the digital passport agencies etc where they can instantly check identity these would be ideal.

the second idea again would work well in theory but practically wise i can see this being a total administration shake up at LL but ideally a great solution. I understand not everyone has a passport but as i recognise there are flaws in that idea, but still its trown out there. If they'd have me, i'd work from england from home computer

Tell your child not to go to mature areas. Pay attention to your children and see if they follow your instruction. If they do not follow your instruction, apply appropriate negative reinforcement. Wonder whether your child is more likely to be adversely affected by SL than by TV.

Simple, really, in a low-tech way.

nink, while i understand your concern... i'm already verified with LL, but i most likely would not submit my credit details to some 3'rd party site for the sole purpose of further verification within a world i'm already verified in. with this info already available in our profiles, and a land interface/script measure in the works which would allow us to check those flags, i see no reason not to just use that built in system for determining access. i doubt it's far off!

*as for "all mature sites" there's just no way you're gonna get the majority of mature land owners to opt in to this system. most people won't even know it exists, and wouldn't care even if they did.

personally i'm only concerned with asshats, who come in all shapes, sizes and age brackets. i've met some nice minors in my time here. taught some of them to script and make stuff. i just refrain from showing them my boobies

I am leaning more towards the allowed only in PG areas if no credit card provided concept.

LINDEN's ARE YOU LISTENING NO CREDIT CARD NO M SITES.

lldetect=minor.

hhmmmm if you pick up on current memes that are going around that interest minors and not adults skateboards band xyz etc and filter on key words you probably could lldetect-minor

You have still failed to present how Posessing a credit card is Infallible age verification. To date it has proven quite the reverse. Your premis is based upon a misaprehension, and therefore, Will not work.

Angel.

Nink, what you're suggesting is something that should be the Lindens' job to take care of, not ours. Unfortunately they've gone the opposite way.


I'm not concerned about my own children. I monitor their activities on the net all the time. My concern is for adult content providers in SL who may come to be liable when other parents don't monitor their children. And you and I both know there are plenty of them out there.

Credit cards are not really good age indicators. I can in five minutes walk down to the gas station pick up a pre paid credit card.

Hi Angel

I just love it when people post why it will not work and not here is the solution. In terms of credit card as not being a valid method of age verification it can be if done correctly.

There are other services available like AdultCheck and cyberage. Ebay does a great job of validating age http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/identity-idverify.html

If LL works with Equifax or another credit reference company then the credit card is idea because to get one of these you need to provide sufficient ID age Social security number etc.... SO I am really confused why you say credit cards do not work.


Cindy one of my suggestion (see original post) is a group that members police that you need to be a member of to get into Adult sites. This puts us (the members back in charge) not Linden but I would prefer LL take the first steps (as they previously did).

We now have a situation where you can have multiple accounts (all you need is a hotmail/gmail or other throwaway email address) anyone can apply (all you need is to lie about age) we are lawless (you don't know who did what to who any more), you can run as many Avatars as you want on the one PC (as long as you have enough CPU/ RAM), the negative reputation index has been removed so at the end of the day you have no real understanding of who or what (are they real or a scripted robot) you are dealing with at any point in time.

Prepaid debit and credit cards are easy to come buy and aren't linked to any name/age/anything. In regards to things like LL working with something like Equifax, do a cost/benifit analysis. The additional cost of processing that information is not worth the benifit of age verification, in a fiscal sence. The concept of providing my Social Security number freaks me right the hell out. I don't think I have ever seen a game require something like that, and I hope I never do.

Then don't accept them




I could envision a one time cost to build the bridge to cross index a database and maybe a small transaction cost but the data is all there it is just a matter of indexing it. Say 200K to build the data feed and perhaps a penny a transaction.

Again these are just suggestions but all I can say is there is a lot more children on second life in the past week since they change the rules and said no credit card required then there was before !

I really don't care about all of this. More morons means more freezing, tormenting, ejecting and banning which is my new SL hobby.

To a billing system they look just like any other credit card.

Rather than nitpick something they won't change (Linden Lab IS a business and there moves should be good for thier business), it would be better to address the problem of trust/credibility. Ratings really failed at that and payment info isnt good as well. A web of trust concept showes promise, but instead of wasting time on over reacting on age verification and alternate account issues, it would be be better spent developing said credibility/trust system.

EDIT: Your database idea is very big brotherish and again freaks me right the hell out.

I hate to disolusion you but unlce sam knows every time you use your debit card (what you buy where you buy it and when you buy it) every time you make a call (what you said who you said it to), every time yous instant message, post a blog or forum (ye old IP address, mac address, Hash ID and arrangements with folks like google) every time you earn a dollar (how you earned where you earned it), where you go and when you go (those little RFID tags walmart put in all your items that were recorded against you by using your prefered method of payment or points card and a bazilion RFID readers).

As for the credit reference data base with all your details ummm that little peice of technology has been in place for close to 20 years. Think it is time you requested a copy of your credit report. You maybe unpleasantly suprised.

Yes but there is a difference in Uncle Sam and Linden Lab. IP, MAC, and other hashes are not unique identifires and can be changed easilly. Linden Lab really has no business obtaining information other than what they already do.

LL Sends credit card number your name and your date of birth (you provided these) to equifax ( or equivalent) they send back a yes or no. That is all.....

I'm pretty sure that that incures a charge to Linden Lab, making it not the most economically viable sollution, and that assumes I registerd with a credit card. Again I dont think that this is a priority for linden lab. All these efforts would be better directed elsewhere.

Why yes, I'd *LOVE* to give my credit card information to a mr. Nink Noonan. I trust him 100% in this age of virtual exploration and frontiers! I absolutely don't expect this data to ever be used for identity theft, account fraud, or sold to scammers, even though I've never met Mr. Noonan!

In fact, here's my social security number, name, address, and mother's maiden name too, just in case!

Boy, I love this Internet thing. Did you know it's made of tubes?

Your brand of scarcasm makes happy inside.

Not sure I was asking for it and you gave it to mr Linden already...


NINK rezes himself up a brick wall and bangs head against it repeatadly. DOH...

Again you are assuming people used thier credit card. I didn't.

Neither did I, at least to start.

Nink, you're operating off a premise that assumes that only adults have cc's or access to cc's, and that third-party verification wouldn't fcuk over a legitimate populace.

I am paid for via my husband's cc, and I imagine that his name being on the card instead of mine would cause... problems; I have run into at least one minor that I know of who has his own CC; and the sheer logistics of this... is just not feasible, as far as I can see.

If we go back to the start of the thread I proposed three options and asked for suggestions on how this can be done.

At this point I am going to have to go back to my original request and that is how can LL or the citizens protect against minors in the grid. So far I saw one constructive post thats parents keep an eye on your kids (and thats why my family computer is in the living room).

Looking forward to seeing some solutions.