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Aliasi Stonebender

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02-23-2006 07:49

From: Kris Ritter

Yes. I am convinced it most definitely makes a difference. And I don't care what technical explanation y'all care to give as to why it can't possibly be the case.

It's not a technical explaination, it's direct experience. There is no difference in performance between my main and my alt, save the long pause when I initially open my inventory on my main.

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Kris Ritter

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02-23-2006 07:59

From: Aliasi Stonebender

It's not a technical explaination, it's direct experience. There is no difference in performance between my main and my alt, save the long pause when I initially open my inventory on my main.

And I directly experience exactly the opposite situation and have consistently for over 18 months - there is a very very considerable difference and not just for the period of inventory load. Actually, it's been this way for longer than the current inventory load thing has even been around - so for me it most definitely isn't that in itself, although it appears to contribute some now.

And re: technical explanation, I wasn't referring to anyone yet replying in this thread - I was referring to the eggheads who inevitably breeze into threads like this to scoff at any notion that it's at all possible and present their 'evidence' as to why. You know, the ones who will present their own experiments and findings as absolute irrefutable facts while yours are merely flawed amateur dabblings you have no clue about.

Evidently this is another of those 'it does for some people and not for others' kinda thing. So I fully expect the 'It must be your pc/connection/isp/firewall because SL is an orgasmic experience for me' fanbois to waltz in here soon too

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Aliasi Stonebender

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02-23-2006 08:19

From: Kris Ritter

And I directly experience exactly the opposite situation and have consistently for over 18 months - there is a very very considerable difference and not just for the period of inventory load. Actually, it's been this way for longer than the current inventory load thing has even been around - so for me it most definitely isn't that in itself, although it appears to contribute some now.

And re: technical explanation, I wasn't referring to anyone yet replying in this thread - I was referring to the eggheads who inevitably breeze into threads like this to scoff at any notion that it's at all possible and present their 'evidence' as to why. You know, the ones who will present their own experiments and findings as absolute irrefutable facts while yours are merely flawed amateur dabblings you have no clue about.

Evidently this is another of those 'it does for some people and not for others' kinda thing. So I fully expect the 'It must be your pc/connection/isp/firewall because SL is an orgasmic experience for me' fanbois to waltz in here soon too

Oh, I'm not denying what you're experiencing... just that it never seemed to be the case for me, and I have 15,000 items in my inventory. This clearly means there's some variable at work here, but to be honest, it's too complex a situation for a mere mortal like m'self to say one way or another. I mean, does it make a difference if most of your items are created by you, is using a lot of subfolders better than having it all in one big pile, etc, etc, etc. Are all possible variables, and it'd be a bit tiresome to look at them all without being able to directly look at things on the asset server end.

(For what it's worth, I do use a lot of subfolders, which seems to help matters some... but I've never even done an informal experiment to test this.)

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Kris Ritter

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02-23-2006 08:33

From: Aliasi Stonebender

Oh, I'm not denying what you're experiencing... just that it never seemed to be the case for me, and I have 15,000 items in my inventory. This clearly means there's some variable at work here, but to be honest, it's too complex a situation for a mere mortal like m'self to say one way or another. I mean, does it make a difference if most of your items are created by you, is using a lot of subfolders better than having it all in one big pile, etc, etc, etc. Are all possible variables, and it'd be a bit tiresome to look at them all without being able to directly look at things on the asset server end.

(For what it's worth, I do use a lot of subfolders, which seems to help matters some... but I've never even done an informal experiment to test this.)

My main prolly has about the same amount of items or maybe slightly more than yours. When I say 'items', I mean, some of these things are entire builds I drag selected and took into inventory. One of them covers a 4096m plot. But then it IS one item in my inventory. Does it/should it/can it make a difference to your actual movement if it's just sitting in your inventory? Whether it's made of one prim or 1000? I dunno.

In general, my inventory is pretty organised into subfolders, but that's not to say that some don't contain a LOT of items. Item wise, I guess more than half my inventory is stuff I made, and the rest is stuff either Neph or Fran made

But yeah. It's impossible to compare really. Or pin it down to any one set of circumstances. No two Second Lives are the same!

It could very well be to do with stuff like the inventory losses I've experienced, whereby a fair percentage of my items, scripts, textures, notecards, sounds etc now say they can't be located in the database.

It'd be nice if the Lindens could somehow clear that up. I don't fancy going through 15k or so items and rezzing or opening them to find out which dont exist any more. There's actually no telling how much stuff I REALLY have in my inventory, cuz a lot are just names with nothing attached. Surely they must be able to run some check n delete of stuff that doesn't match the asset server?

But then even if someone else comes in here and says 'I've had huge inventory loss and yes, I too get lag I don't get on other accounts'... does it mean anything?

All I know is, I try not to transfer anything between the cursed main account and the others in case I transfer the same problems.

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Sean Martin

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02-23-2006 13:13

I'd have to agree with those who think it lags. One of my alts has no inventory at all. Another has a good amount. The main account I use has backups and backups and backups of those backups. Then various versions of backups.
And it lags bad using the same computer. And in the same sim as the other alts. Which have no lag. And most of all when I first log in.
When I first log into my main account I notice the inventory takes forever to show all the folders.
So I'm guessing that is taking a chunk of processing power for all those items to rez in the inventory.
But I dunno. Just my experience.

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Leyla Firefly

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02-24-2006 00:18

At a certain point a 'search' in inventory would make me crash, and 'fetching' freeze me up. I had over 23.000 items in my inventory, but being on a nice comp i didnt 'feel' like lagging. But now the time had come to clean up the mess. I boxed all i didnt wanna lose and deleted all what is on my hd and i dont use. I went down to about 6000 items.
And i was totaly amazed to see my fps doubled (yea doubled) from 12-15 to 25-30. I told my friend and he tried the same and yes. Stuffed inventories indeed make you lag.
So my inventory looked like a Tupperware advertisement for about a week

Soon im gonna clean it again

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Reitsuki Kojima

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Join date: 27 Jan 2004

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02-24-2006 03:55

My problem is I have tons of inventory I don't want to loose, but I don't really need on a day to day basis. The ability to move inventory (item by item or by the folder) to a "deep storage" inventory would be a real blessing.

I have tons of clothing I've collected in my two years here, for example. And I change my clothing alot. But even still alot of it sits unusued for weeks at a time, or more. But I don't really want to loose it. So if I could select folders of outfits I no longer want and dump them to a second inventory folder called "Archive" or something, which would never get accessed unless you deliberatly opened it.

Ah well.

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Kris Ritter

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Join date: 31 Oct 2003

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02-24-2006 04:30

From: Reitsuki Kojima

My problem is I have tons of inventory I don't want to loose, but I don't really need on a day to day basis. The ability to move inventory (item by item or by the folder) to a "deep storage" inventory would be a real blessing.

...

So if I could select folders of outfits I no longer want and dump them to a second inventory folder called "Archive" or something, which would never get accessed unless you deliberatly opened it.

Ah well.

I suggested this exactly ages ago. Y'all are welcome to go bump 'n' support my feature suggestion

Non-Loading Inventory 'Vault'

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Jonas Pierterson

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02-24-2006 06:19

Seems like I'm an exception to others experience. Disregarding the moment I bring up my inventory and its loading, my fps remains stable.

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Argent Stonecutter

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02-24-2006 06:47

From: Ceera Murakami

Let's say I make a box, tuck it away somewhere safe on my land, and stuff all the things that I don't think I'll use any time soon into it, and then delete them from my inventory. That should clear them out of the way as far as my inventory is concerned, but if I ever want those things, I can go 'open the treasure chest' and take out the stuff I want.

Why tuck it away on your land? Stick it into your inventory - that should cut lag even more.

A single box in your inventory is a single box to the asset server unless it's rezzed... THEN the sim needs to go grovel through _its_ inventory looking for scripts. In your inventory it's just a single object that it can ignore.

Ceera Murakami

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Join date: 9 Sep 2005

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02-24-2006 06:51

From: Argent Stonecutter

Why tuck it away on your land? Stick it into your inventory - that should cut lag even more.

A single box in your inventory is a single box to the asset server unless it's rezzed... THEN the sim needs to go grovel through _its_ inventory looking for scripts. In your inventory it's just a single object that it can ignore.

Hmmmm. That sounds worth experimenting with! Thanks!

Lots of stuff in Inventory = lag? Yes or no?
Aliasi Stonebender Return of Catbread Join date: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,858	02-23-2006 07:49 From: Kris Ritter Yes. I am convinced it most definitely makes a difference. And I don't care what technical explanation y'all care to give as to why it can't possibly be the case. It's not a technical explaination, it's direct experience. There is no difference in performance between my main and my alt, save the long pause when I initially open my inventory on my main. _____________________ Red Mary says, softly, “How a man grows aggressive when his enemy displays propriety. He thinks: I will use this good behavior to enforce my advantage over her. Is it any wonder people hold good behavior in such disregard?” Anything Surplus Home to the "Nuke the Crap Out of..." series of games and other stuff
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	02-23-2006 07:59 From: Aliasi Stonebender It's not a technical explaination, it's direct experience. There is no difference in performance between my main and my alt, save the long pause when I initially open my inventory on my main. And I directly experience exactly the opposite situation and have consistently for over 18 months - there is a very very considerable difference and not just for the period of inventory load. Actually, it's been this way for longer than the current inventory load thing has even been around - so for me it most definitely isn't that in itself, although it appears to contribute some now. And re: technical explanation, I wasn't referring to anyone yet replying in this thread - I was referring to the eggheads who inevitably breeze into threads like this to scoff at any notion that it's at all possible and present their 'evidence' as to why. You know, the ones who will present their own experiments and findings as absolute irrefutable facts while yours are merely flawed amateur dabblings you have no clue about. Evidently this is another of those 'it does for some people and not for others' kinda thing. So I fully expect the 'It must be your pc/connection/isp/firewall because SL is an orgasmic experience for me' fanbois to waltz in here soon too _____________________
Aliasi Stonebender Return of Catbread Join date: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,858	02-23-2006 08:19 From: Kris Ritter And I directly experience exactly the opposite situation and have consistently for over 18 months - there is a very very considerable difference and not just for the period of inventory load. Actually, it's been this way for longer than the current inventory load thing has even been around - so for me it most definitely isn't that in itself, although it appears to contribute some now. And re: technical explanation, I wasn't referring to anyone yet replying in this thread - I was referring to the eggheads who inevitably breeze into threads like this to scoff at any notion that it's at all possible and present their 'evidence' as to why. You know, the ones who will present their own experiments and findings as absolute irrefutable facts while yours are merely flawed amateur dabblings you have no clue about. Evidently this is another of those 'it does for some people and not for others' kinda thing. So I fully expect the 'It must be your pc/connection/isp/firewall because SL is an orgasmic experience for me' fanbois to waltz in here soon too Oh, I'm not denying what you're experiencing... just that it never seemed to be the case for me, and I have 15,000 items in my inventory. This clearly means there's some variable at work here, but to be honest, it's too complex a situation for a mere mortal like m'self to say one way or another. I mean, does it make a difference if most of your items are created by you, is using a lot of subfolders better than having it all in one big pile, etc, etc, etc. Are all possible variables, and it'd be a bit tiresome to look at them all without being able to directly look at things on the asset server end. (For what it's worth, I do use a lot of subfolders, which seems to help matters some... but I've never even done an informal experiment to test this.) _____________________ Red Mary says, softly, “How a man grows aggressive when his enemy displays propriety. He thinks: I will use this good behavior to enforce my advantage over her. Is it any wonder people hold good behavior in such disregard?” Anything Surplus Home to the "Nuke the Crap Out of..." series of games and other stuff
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	02-23-2006 08:33 From: Aliasi Stonebender Oh, I'm not denying what you're experiencing... just that it never seemed to be the case for me, and I have 15,000 items in my inventory. This clearly means there's some variable at work here, but to be honest, it's too complex a situation for a mere mortal like m'self to say one way or another. I mean, does it make a difference if most of your items are created by you, is using a lot of subfolders better than having it all in one big pile, etc, etc, etc. Are all possible variables, and it'd be a bit tiresome to look at them all without being able to directly look at things on the asset server end. (For what it's worth, I do use a lot of subfolders, which seems to help matters some... but I've never even done an informal experiment to test this.) My main prolly has about the same amount of items or maybe slightly more than yours. When I say 'items', I mean, some of these things are entire builds I drag selected and took into inventory. One of them covers a 4096m plot. But then it IS one item in my inventory. Does it/should it/can it make a difference to your actual movement if it's just sitting in your inventory? Whether it's made of one prim or 1000? I dunno. In general, my inventory is pretty organised into subfolders, but that's not to say that some don't contain a LOT of items. Item wise, I guess more than half my inventory is stuff I made, and the rest is stuff either Neph or Fran made But yeah. It's impossible to compare really. Or pin it down to any one set of circumstances. No two Second Lives are the same! It could very well be to do with stuff like the inventory losses I've experienced, whereby a fair percentage of my items, scripts, textures, notecards, sounds etc now say they can't be located in the database. It'd be nice if the Lindens could somehow clear that up. I don't fancy going through 15k or so items and rezzing or opening them to find out which dont exist any more. There's actually no telling how much stuff I REALLY have in my inventory, cuz a lot are just names with nothing attached. Surely they must be able to run some check n delete of stuff that doesn't match the asset server? But then even if someone else comes in here and says 'I've had huge inventory loss and yes, I too get lag I don't get on other accounts'... does it mean anything? All I know is, I try not to transfer anything between the cursed main account and the others in case I transfer the same problems. _____________________
Sean Martin Yesnomaybe. Join date: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 584	02-23-2006 13:13 I'd have to agree with those who think it lags. One of my alts has no inventory at all. Another has a good amount. The main account I use has backups and backups and backups of those backups. Then various versions of backups. And it lags bad using the same computer. And in the same sim as the other alts. Which have no lag. And most of all when I first log in. When I first log into my main account I notice the inventory takes forever to show all the folders. So I'm guessing that is taking a chunk of processing power for all those items to rez in the inventory. But I dunno. Just my experience. _____________________
Leyla Firefly Photoshop Addict Join date: 8 Aug 2004 Posts: 146	02-24-2006 00:18 At a certain point a 'search' in inventory would make me crash, and 'fetching' freeze me up. I had over 23.000 items in my inventory, but being on a nice comp i didnt 'feel' like lagging. But now the time had come to clean up the mess. I boxed all i didnt wanna lose and deleted all what is on my hd and i dont use. I went down to about 6000 items. And i was totaly amazed to see my fps doubled (yea doubled) from 12-15 to 25-30. I told my friend and he tried the same and yes. Stuffed inventories indeed make you lag. So my inventory looked like a Tupperware advertisement for about a week Soon im gonna clean it again _____________________ Mystique- Intrigue- Calypso- Oceanus- Boulevard Mystique- Coronado- Alize
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	02-24-2006 03:55 My problem is I have tons of inventory I don't want to loose, but I don't really need on a day to day basis. The ability to move inventory (item by item or by the folder) to a "deep storage" inventory would be a real blessing. I have tons of clothing I've collected in my two years here, for example. And I change my clothing alot. But even still alot of it sits unusued for weeks at a time, or more. But I don't really want to loose it. So if I could select folders of outfits I no longer want and dump them to a second inventory folder called "Archive" or something, which would never get accessed unless you deliberatly opened it. Ah well. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Kris Ritter paradoxical embolism Join date: 31 Oct 2003 Posts: 6,627	02-24-2006 04:30 From: Reitsuki Kojima My problem is I have tons of inventory I don't want to loose, but I don't really need on a day to day basis. The ability to move inventory (item by item or by the folder) to a "deep storage" inventory would be a real blessing. ... So if I could select folders of outfits I no longer want and dump them to a second inventory folder called "Archive" or something, which would never get accessed unless you deliberatly opened it. Ah well. I suggested this exactly ages ago. Y'all are welcome to go bump 'n' support my feature suggestion Non-Loading Inventory 'Vault' _____________________
Jonas Pierterson Dark Harlequin Join date: 27 Dec 2005 Posts: 3,660	02-24-2006 06:19 Seems like I'm an exception to others experience. Disregarding the moment I bring up my inventory and its loading, my fps remains stable. _____________________ Good freebies here and here I must protest. I am not a merry man! - Warf, ST: TNG, episode: Qpid You killed my father. Prepare to die. - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride You killed My father. Your a-- is mine! - Hellboy
Argent Stonecutter Emergency Mustelid Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 20,263	02-24-2006 06:47 From: Ceera Murakami Let's say I make a box, tuck it away somewhere safe on my land, and stuff all the things that I don't think I'll use any time soon into it, and then delete them from my inventory. That should clear them out of the way as far as my inventory is concerned, but if I ever want those things, I can go 'open the treasure chest' and take out the stuff I want. Why tuck it away on your land? Stick it into your inventory - that should cut lag even more. A single box in your inventory is a single box to the asset server unless it's rezzed... THEN the sim needs to go grovel through _its_ inventory looking for scripts. In your inventory it's just a single object that it can ignore.
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	02-24-2006 06:51 From: Argent Stonecutter Why tuck it away on your land? Stick it into your inventory - that should cut lag even more. A single box in your inventory is a single box to the asset server unless it's rezzed... THEN the sim needs to go grovel through _its_ inventory looking for scripts. In your inventory it's just a single object that it can ignore. Hmmmm. That sounds worth experimenting with! Thanks!

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