Power, the community, and Linden Lab.

Yeah, that's pretty interesting, I must say.

Perhaps a re-read might be in order?

No, I read it right the first time, "Allows scripts from strangers to write files to my hard drive."

Ayup, you read it right.

Yes ... yes ... chant the motto of the FIC!

lol

For months I had waited for a perfect motto to make myown contribution to the official FIC art page. Now I have it. Thank you.

Thank you, blaze.

Jarod,

what about "Which drops a text string into predetermined file in the secondlife install directory." do you not understand?

huh?

The FIC: What they want to do is what WE want to do.

How you apparently run Second Life without ever installing it on your harddrive. Do you, what, keep the files in a hat or something? That must be a pretty cool hat, does it hook to your computer with USB or is it wireless? Can I get a hat like that, and do they come in baseball caps? I like baseball caps, but not as much as those cute animal head hats girls wear -- I actually have a Hamtarro hat like that. If I could install Second Life to my Hamtarro hat, that would be awesome. The hat could rez prims for me too. Prim-Tarro! I would so call that my Prim-Tarro hat if had one of those. Where did you say you got yours again?

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Oh, sorry, I got distracted. What were we discussing again?

I thought you would have realised that when I said "predetermined file in the secondlife install directory" I was referring to the fact that the name would be predetermined and that the the directory would be the install directory only.

In other words, you wouldn't be able to arbitrarily write to any file on your harddrive.

I think he understands that blaze.

I think what his issue is, is the writing of ANY (in this case a SL file) file to your HD with LSL, and the security issues that migh arise with respect to that ability.

So, basically, you're saying that SL shouldn't write to files on your hard drive?

SL != LSL

No, just not players with LSL functions. Of course the client needs to write to the cache and so forth, but that is not handled by a script that we have access to right?

I guess maybe we need a bit more explanation from you exactly what you mean.

That one could only do this on their own machine?

Or that another player could drop a file into my SL install directory?

Ok, so an LSL command shouldn't trigger writing to a file on your harddrive .. such as, say, llPlaySound?

Anyways, the point is, there is absolutely no harm whatsoever in writing to a file on your hard drive, and having an LSL command write to a predetermined file in the SecondLife install directory an arbitrary text string could have a lot of obvious advantages.

llPlaySound plays sounds off an asset server in SL. This may be cached on your hard drive, but only the client knows that.


What about the fact that anyone could fill up your hard drive?
What about people writing trojans that are activated by other, seemingly innocuous websites / email attachments?
What about the average user mucking with these files?
What about the inability to modify another script's file?

Blaze,

I suspect that people would take your message-passing suggestion more seriously, if the client only received that data in a special memory stack in the client, not written to a HDD.

The idea of it writing to a client-local file should be the responsibility of your own client-side app/filter, which would preferably use something like 'perl -T' to prevent anything insane/malicious/etc to fall out. And by default should never write to a disk anyway.

Just my calm L$5,

Well said Blaze thanks for the post, I really enjoyed reading it. I agree the majority should of always shaped SL, unfortunately SL is ruled by those with the means to invest the most in LL. That however could be the undoing of SL in the end. It would be a shame but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibilities either.
Mar

If the majority were the ones who shaped it (and by that I presume you mean owned the land etc.), Linden Lab would have gone out of business quite a while ago. The whole reason they are still in business is because people with money invested in it to create the environment, ensuring that SL as a whole continues to exist.

The undoing will happen if there aren't enough people paying LL money, not because of those who have invested. In fact without the paying customers the huge influx of people with the free accounts would not have been available and SL would not have grown as it has. In all honesty those that do invest subsidise those who do not.

It's a bit of a kick in the teeth isn't it, for people like yourself, who feel that it should have always remained uncommercial. But that's life for you. If it had remained uncommercial it probably wouldn't still be here at all.

Having said all that, you're also being over-dramatic again. Nobody rules what I do here apart from Linden Lab, contrary to what you wish was the case to give your argument the gravity it so sorely lacks.

$5 well spent, IMO.

There are? I don't think I've ever run into one person who hasn't had some beef with LL about something. Not all of them run screaming and whinning to the forums about their issues though.

OK, Ingrid, I'll bite. Do you mean they suffer decoriously in silence? Or take their issue personally to the Linden of their choice? Wait for an appropriate Town Hall to talk about it? Or just what?

coco

Ever filed a bug report? Emailed Support?

Some things I have suffered in the soul-cleansing silence of an empty rock. Important things have been addressed to a Linden either through IM, email or bug report. The former two have always been answered, sometimes eventually, but always that I can remember over the past two years.

Often the answer has been "Sorry you feel that way but the answer is no." At that point, if it's important enough, I post the issue to the forum for the closest thing we can get to public discussion. It'll be interesting to see how these forums change after people start accessing them from inworld terminals. Town Halls are cute and all but well they're cute and all.

Anyway, that's what, at least for me that's what.

What do you do Cocoanut?

*Edit* I just realized that I posted this as Khamon. My apologies to all.

Well, first off, I'm loathe to bother people, so I wouldn't contact a Linden about the sorts of issues I discuss here on the general forum. Not only would it be a bother, but it would be kind of pointless. "Hey, Linden, events need more support!"

Secondly, the kinds of issues I talk about here are generally the sorts of things that really need discussion.

coco

P.S. What do you mean, you just realized you posted this as Khamon? Who else are you?

And - what do you mean, once the forums can be accessed in-world? I didn't realize that was going to be possible . . . ?