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Cocoanut Cookie

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02-11-2006 21:40

hmmm

There it is! Don't know how I missed it.

Was just reading Second Life Answers. And Torley, much as I am in favor of yard sales and DON'T want them removed from the calendar, I have to say your answer - explaining Jeska's answer - just made no sense at all.

If I had been one of those who was so anxious to see them gone, and had read Jeska's comments and celebrated (many did), then to see them still on the calendar, plus your answer which I couldn't understand at ALL, I would be very frustrated and disappointed, too.

I think they should be allowed when classified as Commercial in the calendar (which doesn't have all that much in it anyway).

People CAN, after all, avail themselves of the categories when they are perusing the calendar. I do. That way they won't have to "see" everything that is on the calendar.

coco

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Torley Linden

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02-11-2006 21:42

O... coco, that wasn't Jeska! That was Jesse.

Aliasi raises a strong suit--a yard sale can certainly be destined for Classifieds, and they'll be just fine! Infact, it can remain visible for much longer too than being buried in Events. Something to consider.

There's been confusion about "Commercial" in Events, I know. :\

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Enabran Templar

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02-11-2006 22:04

From: Cocoanut Cookie

Maybe I can entertain myself by going to look at some Hentai somewhere instead.

You know that "hentai" means Japanese cartoons depicting graphic sex, right? Like, with tentacles and stuff?

Just checking.

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Osgeld Barmy

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02-11-2006 22:38

From: Zapoteth Zaius

They need to come up with a cold hard system, either using residents or employees. Take 10 minutes to look at the event calender every couple of hours and take out events that should be there, revoke their rights to post events for a week, if they do it again, a month, if they do it again, take them away completely.

Ha yea your talking about the same ppl that wouldnt take less than a minute and 3 mouse clicks to change the 1.7 feedback forum title for almost 2 months

Torley Linden

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02-11-2006 22:52

From: Osgeld Barmy

Ha yea your talking about the same ppl that wouldnt take less than a minute and 3 mouse clicks to change the 1.7 feedback forum title for almost 2 months

I will make it clear that's why I'm here, today, now. A primary reason why I'm on the Community Team is to help with microediting like this that Resis notice, something all too close to my heart. This is a specialty of mine, something I live for in Second Life.

Little tweaks, annoyances, lateral contrivances that would take "less than a minute and 3 mouse clicks"--PLEASE LET ME KNOW! PUT TORLEY TO WORK FOR YOU!!!

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SuezanneC Baskerville

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02-12-2006 08:36

From: Zapoteth Zaius

They need to come up with a cold hard system, either using residents or employees. Take 10 minutes to look at the event calender every couple of hours and take out events that should be there, revoke their rights to post events for a week, if they do it again, a month, if they do it again, take them away completely.

Maybe residents should be provided with the information that would allow resident produced event lists, classifieds, etc. to be displayed in the find dialog and dispense entirely with Linden maintained lists.

This would mean that you would get to pick from competing resident created lists. For example, you could select the slboutique.com event list to see in the inworld find dialog and there it woud be - a real short, human edited list of what Flip or his editor thinks is an event. Someone else's list might be ten or a hundred times longer. Yet a third person might have a list that consisted of nothing but yard sales.

A boolean search function would be so nice, just pop in "NOT "yard sale"" to filter out the yard sales.
There is a web site with this function and with the SL events list in it, at eventful.com

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Chie Salome

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02-12-2006 09:00

From: Enabran Templar

You know that "hentai" means Japanese cartoons depicting graphic sex, right? Like, with tentacles and stuff?

Just checking.

Mmh actually "hentai" refers to perverts in general. You don't need to resort to tentacles to be called a hentai. Just taking a skirt-up pic would suffice. It originally is an biological term meaning metamorphosis. I have no idea how the now commonly recognised meaning derived from it.

Just checking. OK, back on topic.

Lordfly Digeridoo

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02-12-2006 09:41

sunday, february 12, 2006 yard sale count: 25

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Cocoanut Cookie

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02-12-2006 10:00

From: Enabran Templar

You know that "hentai" means Japanese cartoons depicting graphic sex, right? Like, with tentacles and stuff?

Just checking.

No, Enabran. Cause I was born yesterday.

I was just thinking about the great hue and cry over in Wayfinder Wishbringer's thread about the rights of people to display pictures of brutal rape in museums.

Versus the hue and cry over how horrible it is to have yard sales listed in events.

coco

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Reitsuki Kojima

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02-12-2006 10:16

From: Cocoanut Cookie

No, Enabran. Cause I was born yesterday.

I was just thinking about the great hue and cry over in Wayfinder Wishbringer's thread about the rights of people to display pictures of brutal rape in museums.

Versus the hue and cry over how horrible it is to have yard sales listed in events.

coco

One is against the rules, the other isn't?

One devalues a formerly-useful tool, the other doesn't?

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Cocoanut Cookie

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02-12-2006 11:00

1. As it stands, having a garage sale and listing it in events is not against the rules. Having one without a host present is against the rules.

I always thought that "a host must be present" was the most useful descriptor of "event" and the most useful way to determine what is an event and what is not, and without bringing into play value judgements.

Thus, if I go to play Blood 21 and there is a host present, and we are all playing Blood 21 from 7 to 8 p.m., then I consider that an event. In other words, this can't be a "non-event" just because the idea of people getting together to play Blood 21 is distasteful to some. (Or to have a best boobs and chest contest, for that matter.)

I think it is reasonable to require that, and those who are holding garage sales and aren't present during the hours they are advertised for are breaking the rules.

But there is no rule against having garage sales, per se. Thus no need to rid the calendar of them.

2. The idea that having those listed (legitimately) in events "devalues the tool" is a value judgement, and overlooks the fact that many people enjoy garage sales.

Not having them in the events, in fact, would devalue the events tool for me.

Having said all that, they should have a host present. In my opinion, no event really qualfies as an event without the host present.

coco

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Enabran Templar

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02-12-2006 11:12

Many kids enjoy twinkies. Doesn't mean we should pollute their diets with those treats.

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Cocoanut Cookie

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02-12-2006 11:27

Well, I'm not a kid. Neither is anyone else in SL. And I'm glad you're not deciding (yet) what I should enjoy and what I shouldn't.

coco

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Today's Yard Sale Count
Cocoanut Cookie Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,741	02-11-2006 21:40 hmmm There it is! Don't know how I missed it. Was just reading Second Life Answers. And Torley, much as I am in favor of yard sales and DON'T want them removed from the calendar, I have to say your answer - explaining Jeska's answer - just made no sense at all. If I had been one of those who was so anxious to see them gone, and had read Jeska's comments and celebrated (many did), then to see them still on the calendar, plus your answer which I couldn't understand at ALL, I would be very frustrated and disappointed, too. I think they should be allowed when classified as Commercial in the calendar (which doesn't have all that much in it anyway). People CAN, after all, avail themselves of the categories when they are perusing the calendar. I do. That way they won't have to "see" everything that is on the calendar. coco _____________________
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	02-11-2006 21:42 O... coco, that wasn't Jeska! That was Jesse. Aliasi raises a strong suit--a yard sale can certainly be destined for Classifieds, and they'll be just fine! Infact, it can remain visible for much longer too than being buried in Events. Something to consider. There's been confusion about "Commercial" in Events, I know. :\ _____________________
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	02-11-2006 22:04 From: Cocoanut Cookie Maybe I can entertain myself by going to look at some Hentai somewhere instead. You know that "hentai" means Japanese cartoons depicting graphic sex, right? Like, with tentacles and stuff? Just checking. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Osgeld Barmy Registered User Join date: 22 Mar 2005 Posts: 3,336	02-11-2006 22:38 From: Zapoteth Zaius They need to come up with a cold hard system, either using residents or employees. Take 10 minutes to look at the event calender every couple of hours and take out events that should be there, revoke their rights to post events for a week, if they do it again, a month, if they do it again, take them away completely. Ha yea your talking about the same ppl that wouldnt take less than a minute and 3 mouse clicks to change the 1.7 feedback forum title for almost 2 months
Torley Linden Enlightenment! Join date: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 16,530	02-11-2006 22:52 From: Osgeld Barmy Ha yea your talking about the same ppl that wouldnt take less than a minute and 3 mouse clicks to change the 1.7 feedback forum title for almost 2 months I will make it clear that's why I'm here, today, now. A primary reason why I'm on the Community Team is to help with microediting like this that Resis notice, something all too close to my heart. This is a specialty of mine, something I live for in Second Life. Little tweaks, annoyances, lateral contrivances that would take "less than a minute and 3 mouse clicks"--PLEASE LET ME KNOW! PUT TORLEY TO WORK FOR YOU!!! _____________________
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	02-12-2006 08:36 From: Zapoteth Zaius They need to come up with a cold hard system, either using residents or employees. Take 10 minutes to look at the event calender every couple of hours and take out events that should be there, revoke their rights to post events for a week, if they do it again, a month, if they do it again, take them away completely. Maybe residents should be provided with the information that would allow resident produced event lists, classifieds, etc. to be displayed in the find dialog and dispense entirely with Linden maintained lists. This would mean that you would get to pick from competing resident created lists. For example, you could select the slboutique.com event list to see in the inworld find dialog and there it woud be - a real short, human edited list of what Flip or his editor thinks is an event. Someone else's list might be ten or a hundred times longer. Yet a third person might have a list that consisted of nothing but yard sales. A boolean search function would be so nice, just pop in "NOT "yard sale"" to filter out the yard sales. There is a web site with this function and with the SL events list in it, at eventful.com _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Chie Salome ~( * w * )~ Join date: 19 May 2005 Posts: 221	02-12-2006 09:00 From: Enabran Templar You know that "hentai" means Japanese cartoons depicting graphic sex, right? Like, with tentacles and stuff? Just checking. Mmh actually "hentai" refers to perverts in general. You don't need to resort to tentacles to be called a hentai. Just taking a skirt-up pic would suffice. It originally is an biological term meaning metamorphosis. I have no idea how the now commonly recognised meaning derived from it. Just checking. OK, back on topic.
Lordfly Digeridoo Prim Orchestrator Join date: 21 Jul 2003 Posts: 3,628	02-12-2006 09:41 sunday, february 12, 2006 yard sale count: 25 _____________________ ---- http://www.lordfly.com/ http://www.twitter.com/lordfly http://www.plurk.com/lordfly
Cocoanut Cookie Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,741	02-12-2006 10:00 From: Enabran Templar You know that "hentai" means Japanese cartoons depicting graphic sex, right? Like, with tentacles and stuff? Just checking. No, Enabran. Cause I was born yesterday. I was just thinking about the great hue and cry over in Wayfinder Wishbringer's thread about the rights of people to display pictures of brutal rape in museums. Versus the hue and cry over how horrible it is to have yard sales listed in events. coco _____________________
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	02-12-2006 10:16 From: Cocoanut Cookie No, Enabran. Cause I was born yesterday. I was just thinking about the great hue and cry over in Wayfinder Wishbringer's thread about the rights of people to display pictures of brutal rape in museums. Versus the hue and cry over how horrible it is to have yard sales listed in events. coco One is against the rules, the other isn't? One devalues a formerly-useful tool, the other doesn't? _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Cocoanut Cookie Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,741	02-12-2006 11:00 1. As it stands, having a garage sale and listing it in events is not against the rules. Having one without a host present is against the rules. I always thought that "a host must be present" was the most useful descriptor of "event" and the most useful way to determine what is an event and what is not, and without bringing into play value judgements. Thus, if I go to play Blood 21 and there is a host present, and we are all playing Blood 21 from 7 to 8 p.m., then I consider that an event. In other words, this can't be a "non-event" just because the idea of people getting together to play Blood 21 is distasteful to some. (Or to have a best boobs and chest contest, for that matter.) I think it is reasonable to require that, and those who are holding garage sales and aren't present during the hours they are advertised for are breaking the rules. But there is no rule against having garage sales, per se. Thus no need to rid the calendar of them. 2. The idea that having those listed (legitimately) in events "devalues the tool" is a value judgement, and overlooks the fact that many people enjoy garage sales. Not having them in the events, in fact, would devalue the events tool for me. Having said all that, they should have a host present. In my opinion, no event really qualfies as an event without the host present. coco _____________________
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	02-12-2006 11:12 Many kids enjoy twinkies. Doesn't mean we should pollute their diets with those treats. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Cocoanut Cookie Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,741	02-12-2006 11:27 Well, I'm not a kid. Neither is anyone else in SL. And I'm glad you're not deciding (yet) what I should enjoy and what I shouldn't. coco _____________________

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