Child girl AV, sex with Adult male AV? is this right???

Does he have a map of Europe?

Right and I suppose I will never see a girl in a diaper in a sex shop buying new nipples and saying her daddy won't let her wear anything but her diaper...nor will I see a male child in that same store wearing a foot long penis shouting that if you want a demonstration to contact him. Before you say he was just short....yes, I can tell the difference between a short male and a child with complete child characteristics and mentioning his mommy and daddy.

I've seen children in public places in nude status referring to thier parents in mature zones...WAY too often. It is made to be acceptable in this world. What some fail to see is how your thoughts are connected to your rl thoughts. Avi's don't have real brains, they have to use yours. If you are screwing a child in the game and find it so exciting...stay away from my child and his school, and his friends, and anyone I've ever known in my life and thier offspring. You can keep defending yourself all you like, just do it from a very very big distance from my backyard.

That is quite possibly the most horrifying thing on this whole thread.

Complete with marked targets for his world domination plan.

It's not uncommon, Lorelei, just not widely discussed.

And people get pissed off when victims of sexual violence refuse to go to the cops.

As I also said, which you seem to miss, I talk about a LOT of Americans. Definately not ALL of them. So I'm not slandering, I'm talking about *personal experience* here, which a lot come from on-line games, which I admit; and a few dealings with American companies. My personal experience taught me, that for every 1 "reasonable" American there are 3 closed minded stupid ones. Might be generalizing, but that is my personal experience.

Now as for your last paragraph:
"Everybody hates Americans until they find themselves looking down the barrel of an aggressor or when their failed government collapses or everyone is starving.)"

That honestly disgusts me personally. That kind of attitude doenst do the American Image any good. For the record, and you may look it up, the Dutch government spends MORE aiding other countries compared to their National Income then the USA (higher percentage)... It's not all about size.

But we're straying off topic. So I will refrain from further comments.

Actually, untrue. Purely non-real(drawing, 3d art, etc) depictions are legal. You might not like it, but it's the case.

Hi. If you'll excuse my cowardace, I created an alternate account to make this post. I have been a resident of SL for a while now, spending the majority of my time here as a kid av. I have read this thread (and others like it) and want to comment.

The first thing that I think could use to be addressed is terminology, especially the use of the word "pedophile." This is quite a loaded word, due to some of the emotional issues involved. This seems to be thrown around a lot, and to mean quite a few different things. The American Heritage dictionary defines it as, "an adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children." This seems like the most useful sort of definition to me. It has been used in this thread also, I think, to refer to someone who actually abuses children; I think a better term for someone like that would be something like "child molester." A term like that makes a person's actions seperate from his or her attractions, and also draws attention to a molester's transgressions. Another term which could probably use to be more precisely dealt with is "age play," where different connotations and actions are varying, but I think the usage I've been seeing won't be a barrier to communication. Much of this thread has been discussing what we mean by child porn, so to propose a definition would be begging the question. I will generally be avoiding both the terms ageplay and child porn in my post.


==ON ETHICS==
So what's wrong and what's not?

Child molestation is wrong. That is to note, an adult having sex with a child is wrong. There is a victim: the child. Because harm is done to a child, it is wrong.

Pornography showing children is wrong. The victims are the children, taken advantage of by the child pornographers. It is wrong to make such things, and it is wrong to benefit from them by possessing them.

Imagining anything, ANYTHING, is not wrong. Imagining doesn't hurt anyone. Imagining children having sex isn't wrong. Imagining owning slaves is not wrong. Imagining launching nuclear weapons isn't wrong. Imagining torturing someone isn't wrong. There are no victims to imagining.

Desiring is not wrong. Desiring to have a wife and 2.5 kids and a white picket fence is not wrong. Desiring to steal things is not wrong. Desiring to have sex with children is not wrong.

It is not wrong to pretend. It is wrong to pretend in such a way that you cause another harm. This is what can make pretend wrong: hurting someone, not the content of what is being pretended.

Specifically, pretending to do things on SL that would be wrong IRL is not wrong. Pretending to kill someone: not wrong. Pretending about child molestation: not wrong. No one is hurt.

And that is the key to this, which has been pointed out by several before me: no harm, no foul. With no victim, there is no transgression.

Note: when I say that something is not wrong, I do not say they are healthy or normal or anything like that.


==ADDRESSING PRESUMPTIONS==
There have been two presumptions in this thread I'd like to challenge. 1. People having sex involving child avs in SL are pedophiles, and 2. People having sex involving children in likely possess content depicting actual children in an inappropriate, sexual way or even actually abuse chilren.

As to the first, this is not exactly true. Obviously those who have sex involving child avs and enjoy it do fit some descripting of it, but some such persons do not find real children actually attractive sexually. Some residents who are involved in it, many in fact (myself one of them) do find real children sexually attractive. The opposite is also true: I know for a fact that there are residents here with such attractions to children who spent a lot of time here not involved with chilren or cybersex here in any way, and spent a lot of time here as a child av without being sexually active.

As to the second, it is just patently false. Even if we take the part that are pedophiles, it is still simply not the case that they would then possess inappropriate pictures of chilren. It is certainly not the case that they are child molesters or just waiting for the opportunity to molest a child. Desiring to do bad things does not mean that someone will do them.

I'm not a bad person. I'm not a child molester. I'm not going to abuse a child. I just have the misfortune of that turning me on. I didn't choose to be a pedophile (I guess many things I did and that were done to me have led to who I am now, but suffice it to say I never decided that it was something I wanted to be.) I don't want to be one. But I am, and that isn't something that is going to change. I can try to hide it, ignore it, deny it, but it is who I am. I will not act on it: I will not touch a child inappropriately, I will not view pictures of chilren performing sex acts, children naked, or children clothed but posed provocatively. I will not be alone with a child. These things are either wrong or dangerous.

I do, however fantasize about children, read fictional stories about children, and have RP cybersex as a child character. In none of these cases am I hurting anyone. I will take whatever steps are necessary not to hurt a child.

I'm a sicko, not a monster. I don't care if you think my romantic attraction to children is sick, perverse, and disgusting: but none of that is wrong. I am no more a rapist than the rest of you, and thusly would not have sex with a child. I would not hurt a kid by touching them inappropriately or making them do so to me.

I am not here on SL because I lack an opportunity to have sex with a child, as was an accusation earlier in this thread. I actively try to avoid getting into such opportunities and if one did present itself the answer would be no.

I am a pedophile and thusly have desires to do wrong things. However: I do not do wrong things. I have chosen not to act on my desires and abuse children, and I have structured my life in such a way as to assist this decision.

Hmmm... this post didn't turn out quite like I wanted, but I guess I'll submit it.


edit-
I kind of wanted to, for the sake of some of my friends, note again that not every kid here is like me. As strange as it may seem to you, there are those that enjoy the fantasy between adults that do not find attractive the reality of children. And there are many kids avs here, of course, who find both quite unattractive.

witty comment goes here.

Hell, people actually -laugh out loud- when a guy says he was raped by a woman.

No, you ass. Ageplay is a harmless fetish. There is no research whatsoever that supports it as a gateway to child abuse.

I never would. I had a friend who had a woman much larger than he forcibly fellate him.

He wept when he told me because he was expecting me to laugh and reject him.

I hate this culture sometimes.

PROHIBITS
including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that, under specified circumstances, depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is obscene, or depicts an image that is or appears to be of a minor engaging in such conduct and such depiction lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

It takes a real life mindset from the start to conduct such.

And another one sending out brainless acusations. If you have read more carefully you would have known I'm not into that.

I'm not defending childmolestors/pedophiles, I'm DEFENDING THE RIGHT FOR AGE PLAY.

If you can't even get it into your thick skull that those kinds of evens you're witnessed weren't true AGE RP-ers then hope for you is lost, because you can not distinguish between SL and RL; which makes clearly in your very last paragraph.

I repeat again: DEFENDING THE RIGHT FOR AGE PLAY

even tho I'm not one myself.

And I do this, because if THIS is going to be halted by LL, what will be next?
- BDSM (is distastefull to others as well)
- Gorean/Slavery (slavery is also illegal you know, and you can see that ALOT around in SL as well)
- NO more warfare (we don't want to upset hte pacifists now do we?)
- NO MORE LANDBUILD OMGFOZMG (or whatever), think about poor mother nature

/sarcasm off

Another one for my ignore list; everyone knows now under which category I put you.

Jesus, it took 47 pages to get to a shining moment of clarity.



That said it all right there. Thank you.

Agreed.

Um, are you a psychiatrist? A psycologist? I don't think so.
As for your previous post: again, struck down by the Supreme Court.

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*is speechless*...
Please do not tell me where this happened...

But I agree... That's horrifying... Those police officers involved should be discharged dishonorably.

It's not just American culture. Horrid things regarding humanity exist everywhere. Can you imagine being a woman in the middle east and getting killed because your brothers raped you? When you are killed it's considered an honor killed to restore the family name.

China practices female infantcide, India does too.

Here in America, if you are raped and are male, you are scared others will laugh. If you are female, you are scared that people will call you a liar.

Both males and females that were raped then have the fear of going before their rapist in court only to hear "Not guilty" or you are too short for prison or you aren't that much of a threat so 60 days in jail or 10 years probation.

In the middle east if you are gay, you won't last long.

Very good point. Unsure if it's already been covered, because it's forty plus pages in size......
Should Linden Labs also stop all School Uniforms being sold as clothing in game? Even if it's worn by an adult AV?

Should a married man be classed as a paedophile because he and his wife enjoy when she plays dressup as a schoolgirl.

You guessed my profession, job well done.

Oh really. So you won't have any trouble referring us to documents and research in professional journals to back up your point of view, I suppose?

You probably think crossdressers wear women's clothing to fool you into having sex with them.

And please explain how you go about determining the age of an avatar?

This is abasolutely silly. While I don't particularly find this type of role play interesting, as long as it remains RP between consenting adults it's no ones business.

You want to ban underage avie sex? Please explain in detail how you enforce this. How do you know the age of an avatar? Tell me how you can distinguish between a 16 year old avatar and an 18 year old avatar.

And being able to swap avie shapes with a click kind of makes it hard to prove it was an 'underaged' avie.

No one is condoning sex with underage players but an avie is a costume. Next you going to try and ban sex with furries because they look kind of like an animal?