Get Rid of the Teaching Stipends!

Why should teachers get a stipend while entertainers and others, such as the Shelter, do not?

No, I mean, think about it. Shouldn't people be just as inclined to pay for classes as they are to pay for entertainment?

With teaching the only incentive payment left (it's not true as the Lindens stated that the traffic was the last incentive to go), pretty soon we'll probably have a glut of teachers and not all of good quality.

I say let's go whole hog: Time to stop giving support to anyone and everyone who teaches, and let the QUALITY teachers earn money directly from residents for their services, just like the quality entertainers are expected to do.

coco

Come to think of it, we should fine anyone who does anything for anyone else for free, too.

That's just... communism.

Absolutely right, Cocoanuts. Let's get rid of all incentives to improve the skill levels of newcomers to the grid. Such a goal is obviously equivalent in value to funding three hundred SEXXXIEST THONG/ASS contests daily.

Such a worthy contribution to the discussion!

Tell you what, from now on I'm going to tell anyone who asks me about scripting to piss off and get a job! That'll teach the lazy buggers.

Is there a stipend for teaching people how to pick up sarcasm? I almost needed to attend such a class.

There is a reason there are tons scholarships for people to go college, and slightly less for people to open strip clubs.

Get rid of Cocoanut's stipend!

Brilliant.

Well, it would have been. I'm wondering why that "d" is in "college", though.

Perhaps the poster did not go to "colledge"

"d" has as much right to get an education in college as any other letter.

No, but I'm sad to say I do go to "college".

Damned affirmative action.

I got a D in college. I was at the stripclub too much that semester, spending my educational incentives...

Pay me 10L and I'll tell you if I'm being sarcastic.

they cant get rid of teaching payments, becuase who will fill up the hole left gaping wide open by linden labs piss poor documentation, ya know that 3 page fluff pamplet buried in the program files folder, which most ppl will never see becuase windows gives you a warning about looking at it

True.

But imagine what a capitalistic field mine this would be for someone who IS a good teacher. Precisely because of the inability to learn through the documentation.

So where are the capitalists now, huh? Can't you see that without providing stipends for teaching, the cream of the crop might naturally float to the top?

$25 for a class on texturing.

Or whatever.

If it is a good teacher, with a lot of good word of mouth, that individual could even make more than the stipend.

While lousy teachers wouldn't.

Robin said that dwell was the last incentive left to be axed. (Incentive, as opposed to stipends). That is not so. The teaching incentive is still sitting there, acting as an incentive to get teachers to teach SL skills.

Which of you would seriously maintain that removing it would mean the end of teaching in SL?

I swear, many more people would pay money to get a good class - if they had to pay for one - than would pay to go into a club, if they had to pay for those. (Unless sex is involved. Sex is a category in its own, and will always survive no matter what!)

coco

no you should just show them your ass instead. The ass is important. Let them know that if we can't have the ass, we can't have the education. How are you going to have the education if you don't have the ass?

Honestly, this gives 'endowment funds' a whole new meaning.

On that note in most countries there is also a government based incentive for starting new businesses like clothes stores or harware stores or whatever.
SL doesn't have that either , so your arguement isn't as bulletproof as you think

And before you draw the wrong conclusion , no I am not an escort , dancer or entertainer in any way.

I don't think it would END teaching, I think there will always be some people who just like to teach or who will use it as a means of bringing some attention to some product they have. (ie: teaching a class on creating pose balls because they sell animations and can give away a couple of poses)

I just recently was accepted into the instructor group and while I think the 500L they might pay me to teach a class is nice, it isn't the reason I applied. I applied because I am currently helping to build a social club (not dance/sex club) and one of the regular activities we want to have is classes. I plan to take any money made from LL and put it back in the club for prizes or content creation.

However the problem I see with canceling instructor payments completely is that most of the students in these classes are newbies. They dont have a lot of money to spend. I think that if they were required or expected to pay say 25L to take a class... well thats half their weekly stipend... I think that a lot would opt out of taking it and that would be a shame.

And lets face it, 500L to teach a class, no one is going to get rich off of that. With set up and questions afterward the average instructor might spend two hours on a class. I suppose someone with absolutely nothing else to do in the day might be able to host 4 classes a day and walk away with 2000L. But I doubt too many people are able to do that and even if they could, why? Thats what 6 bucks for an 8 hour day of work? I could make more with a paper route.

I think it will be nice to get the 500L for teaching a class on tuesday and be able to use it to give out prize money at a contest on saturday.

Hardware stores aren't the same thing as strip clubs, dive bars, and booty clubs. I realize that both assist people in getting screwed nailed and hammered, but no place I've ever lived in has ever had porn palace subsidies.

no, but with my class it took the lazy bums almost 7 full weeks to approve me (back when the website said upto 3 weeks, then magicly changed to 3-5 weeks)

now i like helping ppl, ive been doing it since i started SL, but i really started getting pissed when i was about class 5, no money bonuses a TON of sl work, that was behind schedule and 25 ppl are drilling me for info, info that should be documented in a visible place by a LL offical

week 6 i considered quitting and revoking my application, after live help and a PM to a certian linden(no no thats too obious lets call her Jeska) I mean why am I getting my SL biz in trouble, to cover a hole, and cant get any offical backing?

Now 500 bucks a class isnt that big of a deal for me, i can average 600bucks in 30 min with my sign making biz, but it is a little bit of a thank you for your efforts from the lindens

If they did remove the teaching payment, i would expect a thank you every once and a while, but given my numerous experiances with the lindens thats like asking a bum for a porche, fat chance in hell! and im not gonna put extra effort or time into something that covers THEIR ass for nothing in return....

i would still continue to hang out @ NCI and awnser off the wall noobie questions, i enjoy helping ppl out, becuase the warm welcome i got from SL when i started is "tough shit figure it out", and ive always resented that.

anyways thats just my opinion im not the diplomat for the entrie teaching community or anything

I find this thread enormously entertaining. Carry on

True , and I never claimed it was.
However if I where to start a clothes vendor , I would not get any bonusses either now would I?

Let me try to reword my point.

-Porn/sex industry not being subsidised , I agree with
-Education being subsidised , I can agree with , but to an extent. If you want to throw around the "in the real world <insert random arguement here>" to defend the educational subsidies , then you should also use that same <insert random arguement here> as a reason why other institutions should be subsidised that are currently not even remotely on the map when it comes to stipends.

What I'm trying to say is you cant claim that you have to subsidise teachers because it's done in the real world , yet not offer any form of business startup help for legitimate businesses even though that is also a real world common practice.

I realise that at the end of the day the whole SL world belongs to the Lindens and they can pretty much do as they please , that is not in question. I'm just making a point for consistency.

Ok long enough rant from me now , hehe.

[Edit: fixed some typo's]

We did. It didn't last.