Skins texture theft: How are Lindens going to deal with it?

Irony much?

more like sick of seeing people group "americans"...

Hmmm I actually like most Americans! There is nothing like them in the entire world. For the most part Americans have such Spirt! Do you have to be totally for someone or against? I have issues with Japan and more of them than America. I dont think Second Life could be hosted anywhere but here.

I also note that Americans tend to attack those that dont agree with them 100%. If you dont agree look at you postings. I have reread some of the postings and think that you misunderstand my position. I understand the restrictions and can live with some of them. Like No copy but transferable or copy but non transferable. It is the no mod part that baffles me so much. I do not know how to break any of the barriers. The people that would do so could probally copy a no mod, no copy no transfer. It has been stated so in this thread. Why do you treat all of your customers like possible criminals?

The insult was in this thread " Partisian Agains't Yard Sale Queens to all Merchants, check your products for dupping"

I didn't attack you, I asked you to stop attacking Americans, and it's not that I don't understand your statements here in regards to the skins and permissions, I didn't even comment on it..

Well, I just wasted time reading that other thread. I learned a few things from reading it:

a) someone here who I assume isn't American is apparently hypersensitive, seems to go on the attack at the drop of a hat, and afaic tends to exagerate a bit
b) the meaning of the word "baka"
c) an application for the word in (b)

Now, if I seem hypersensitive and defensive, be aware that I'm not anonymous. And since I'm unaware of the RL names of others here, perhaps everyone would like to share their real names and addresses; especially those who consider defending oneself a sign of hypersensitivity. My information is readily available via my website and a check on Internic.

I look forward to knowing more about the real people behind the avatar names. After all, if we're going to go labeling people and assigning them negative traits, we should all be on the same playing field, shouldn't we?

Back to the topic at hand.

Storma, if there's anything I can do to help you, contact me. I have something in mind, but would need to hear from the Lindens that they don't have a problem with that course of action.

I have been dealing with Americans for all of my life.

The other conment for for another in the thread. He got my message or perhaps not. He did seem to read it however.

My problem is I expect too much from a product, especially ones that I do not need. The beauty of Second Life is that residents dont have to buy anything. I dont have to deal with the makers of skins, I have a great one and dont need another. I have all of the clothing needed, I have all of the toys and a house. Yes I paid money for a lot of it or was given it by others.

The truth you are missing is that merchants need buyers more than the buyers need sellors. That is also what the American Auto makers forgot as well. I am just asking that you consider your buyers. Remember run your business for the long term for sucess. Take care of your customers and they will take care of you.

If you see me online say hello!

I am not sure why you are quoting me and rambling on about my customers... I have not commented on this thread other than your attacks towards Americans, have a nice day.

Because you keep quoting me and keep attacking me for your perceptions and please dont say things you dont mean. I was a customer of yours in the past. I just forget the details. Must be my old age, husband says it contributes to my sunshine personality!

I will go through my inventory tonight. Want to clean out the junk and place it in a box. Perhaps I will find the items bought from you. Not sure it is a big mess! Now if someone could come up with a method of inventory control. It would be worth 10k to me!

I have not said anything that I do not mean...
Ranma, just because you may have purchased something from me in the past does not give you the right to insult myself or other Americans. I am done discussing this with you because you obviously don't get it...

This used to be an informative, productive discussion on IP infringement. I learned a lot up until about page 4

What insults? I really like Americans at least most of them. Also you know nothing about me, nothing at all.

THere's a way to stop people using GLIntercept to steal textures, but I'm not sure if it's a violation of USA Privacy Laws to do it.

There's a special INI file you have to copy that links SL to the GLIntercept directory on the hard drive. The client could sniff for the ini.

I was wondering why Linden Labs cound not come up with some sort of product registration for copyright purposes? I am enclosing the following helpful link about copyright.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hsc

About skins I wonder if a scripter could come up with an activation code that would be required to fully use the skin. When the skin is bought and first worn a activation code would need to be input or the demo marks would be displayed. It could be included in the skin as a no mod iteam. Can you place scripts in a skin like an object?

This might be useful for other items as well. If an object or skin is copied the code needs to be reset.

Hmm....that would be nice. All you'd have to do is imbed a script in the skin that responded to a specific command.

The only problem is, you'd have people sharing the valid code list, just like WinZip or old-school Quake.

This is a good question that I haven;t seen answered... also is there any pictures we could see to compare? I am kinda curious....

Could the code be hidden or specific to that skin? When the consumer buys the product the vender gives it a serial number that is only used for that skin or product. Perhaps the consumers name can be part of that number and the product would only work for that resident.

As mentioned, I use it. That doesn't mean I'm using it illegally.



How does an embedded script prevent anything?

Then you'd just have someone writing a keygen. The only real workaround is for the seller themselves to actually port to the customer and trigger the demo skin to change to a real one with an object in their inventory, and even then some scraping software can pull that object out as well.

For clothing or skin textures, as stated earlier, it is easy enough to incorporate identifying information in the areas outside the UV mapping. I'll probably start doing that on my new clothing designs, especially for my higher-end designs.

But that doesn't help for general use textures, which are used with 100% of the surface area. For example, create and sell textures for use in building. Walls, doors, windows, curtains, often generated with 3D shadowing and other effects baked in. I also create and sell seamless fabric textures, which it is perfectly legitimate for a clothing designer to purchase, export, and use to apply that fabric to their creations, and re-import. My only way to prove ownership there is to retain the original Photoshop document, with all its layers. Almost all of mine use many layers to get the look I want, layers that can't be reverse-engineered out of the 512x512 .tga file.

For textures that other people are to purchase and use in their own creations, they have to be sold with full permissions, or they are worthless. Textures-R-Us, where I sell my raw textures, has a TOS statement for what is allowed and what is nor regarding the textures we sell. In short, you want to use it to texture content that you make? Fabulous! You want to resell the raw textures? No can do.

But in the long run, LL needs to be willing to respond to content creators who report their work is being copied illegally. If they will actually DO something about a DMCA claim, all well and good. If not... well, we're screwed.

And this stops someone (not the customer) how?




Agreed. So has anyone filed a takedown?

Really i comes down to the fact that the criminal tech will always be ahead of the good guys when it comes to computers.

That's what happens when you give the entire world all the tools of God in one little box.

Unless they use the right code, they will walk around with DEMO written all over them. I will talk to a friend of mine that is a scripter.

Maybe a TOS can be put into the vender unit. Unless you agree with the TOS you will not be able to buy the product and this would have the copyright notice. About marking it, hmmm........ Cant you make a mark that can only be seen when using a speical scripted object? Then match up the person and sales records. A pitty there cant be a script that put a mark on the skin saying"I have been stolden from (name)" Unless it went through your vending unit.

Hmmm maybe you can make the skins have that mark if they do not pass through your vending unit. Then the consumer need never be bothered by passwords.

I once suggested a scripted skin to the owner of Xcite. His reponse: skins can't be scripted.

Perhaps you didn't read my comment: "And this stops someone (not the customer) how?"

Why would anyone ever acquire a skin they intend to steal??? If they wanted to take a custom skin, they could.