When sims go bad - Price Gouging Land Barons, eyesores and incredibly obtuse requests
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Doc Nielsen
Fallen...
Join date: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 1,059
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06-17-2006 13:18
Hmmm, well, I went and I looked...
I have to say, the only time *I* ever built giant black boxes that blighted several sims was when I was playing extremely rough to obtain large chunks of land I really wanted in competition with a very well known land baron way back when...
The advertising in that sim is annoying, though nothing in comparison to the 'fence'. I can't help wondering who started this little war - and what everyone in the adjacent sims thinks of the visual pollution?
*shrugs* NOT my problem, but I'd abandon the land if I lived anywhere near either of you (no chance of selling it!) - nothing in that area is worth the grief all concerned are causing.
Oh, and I don't much care for non-selective security systems either!
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
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Suzanna Soyinka
Slinky Slinky Slinky
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 292
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06-17-2006 13:36
From: Doc Nielsen Hmmm, well, I went and I looked...
I have to say, the only time *I* ever built giant black boxes that blighted several sims was when I was playing extremely rough to obtain large chunks of land I really wanted in competition with a very well known land baron way back when...
The advertising in that sim is annoying, though nothing in comparison to the 'fence'. I can't help wondering who started this little war - and what everyone in the adjacent sims thinks of the visual pollution?
*shrugs* NOT my problem, but I'd abandon the land if I lived anywhere near either of you (no chance of selling it!) - nothing in that area is worth the grief all concerned are causing.
Oh, and I don't much care for non-selective security systems either! Well to be frank my build is quite attractive...the wall is less so but theres not much option there. My security system is very selective, as long as you're not within 96m of the penthouse floor which is my personal space..it doesn't do anything to you. Since the Penthouse floor is at 265m, it doesn't interfere with anything between ground level and 180m, or from 320m up to prim ceiling. Its as selective as it can get while ensuring I don't have unexpected guests dropping in and walking into the one part of the parcel I've taken for me. (which is all of about 1024sqm when all is said and done, of a total parcel size of 18k. My wall used to be much shorter, but I've always had a wall as part of my build..to enclose it and make it cozy and private. I do not perpetrate visual pollution as a rule, in fact I put alot of time and effort into my designs to make them visually aesthetic, but I'm not going to endure 500 spinning ads out of some misplaced sense of altruism, after investing around 180k in land acquisitions, and anyone that would is either a saint, or retardedly optimistic. Before you poo-poo on my build and call it visual pollution simply because of the fence Doc, mayhaps you should look inside.
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vivi Odets
Flibbertigibbet
Join date: 4 Sep 2005
Posts: 698
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06-17-2006 13:38
From: Suzanna Soyinka This has been suggested, but I don't ask the neighbors to make their houses transparent so I can have an uninterrupted view of the coast line they've paid for...so I think compromising my privacy out of being good natured is hardly fair. I'm sorry to say this attitude may have sparked this messy situation to begin with. A compromise with your neighbor by making the side of the wall facing his land transparant might have solved the problem -- he may have wanted to build a little home and didn't want to have to look at a 30m wall. By your refusal to listen to his desires (and, no, you were under no obligation to do so), he may have felt stuck with a worthless piece of land and saw breaking it up into ad parcels his only option. Now you're locked in a battle to see who can go the highest, who can annoy the other the most. Not a fun situation -- I hope you all can eventually find a way to call a truce.
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Suzanna Soyinka
Slinky Slinky Slinky
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 292
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06-17-2006 13:54
From: vivi Odets I'm sorry to say this attitude may have sparked this messy situation to begin with. A compromise with your neighbor by making the side of the wall facing his land transparant might have solved the problem -- he may have wanted to build a little home and didn't want to have to look at a 30m wall. By your refusal to listen to his desires (and, no, you were under no obligation to do so), he may have felt stuck with a worthless piece of land and saw breaking it up into ad parcels his only option.
Now you're locked in a battle to see who can go the highest, who can annoy the other the most. Not a fun situation -- I hope you all can eventually find a way to call a truce. Umm the guy isn't a neighbor. Hes an instant transaction land baron. He lives in a mainland sim where he owns 100% of the land and has a huge castle on a hill. He had no intention of living in the sim to the west of me, its his business to buy land from people in trouble at under market rates then turn it around. He didn't have a worthless piece of land..he had around 45,000sqm of land in a sim that he picked up at emergency sell off rates and marked up every piece he got by 20% and turned it around for a tidy profit and thats all he did. I'd like to know what you mean by "attitude" here. I spent quite a bit of money for the coastal parcel I have....you seem to be indicating that I'm not allowed to have a modicum of contained enviroment without having an "attitude".
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Doc Nielsen
Fallen...
Join date: 13 Apr 2005
Posts: 1,059
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06-17-2006 13:54
From: Suzanna Soyinka
Before you poo-poo on my build and call it visual pollution simply because of the fence Doc, mayhaps you should look inside.
How? Your 'selective' security system gives me 15 seconds to get out from your LP! And to do THAT I have to fly over yoyr 60m high enclosing walls, THEN clear your parcel! FYI, A selective security system is one which operates from a list of people you don't want on your property - not one which assumes everyone not on your friend list is a potential enemy! And I thought I was prickly sometimes! I'll be frank, looking at your profile and some of the comments in there, judging by the way you have set up your own build, your attitude to security... *shakes head* Well, let's just say some people make a rod for their own back and leave it there?
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All very well for people to have a sig that exhorts you to 'be the change' - I wonder if it's ever occurred to them that they might be something that needs changing...?
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Suzanna Soyinka
Slinky Slinky Slinky
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 292
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06-17-2006 13:59
From: Doc Nielsen How? Your 'selective' security system gives me 15 seconds to get out from your LP! And to do THAT I have to fly over yoyr 60m high enclosing walls, THEN clear your parcel! FYI, A selective security system is one which operates from a list of people you don't want on your property - not one which assumes everyone not on your friend list is a potential enemy! And I thought I was prickly sometimes! I'll be frank, looking at your profile and some of the comments in there, judging by the way you have set up your own build, your attitude to security... *shakes head* Well, let's just say some people make a rod for their own back and leave it there? The security system you're referring to is on the parcel to the east of me. It is not mine. My security system IS selective from the ground up to about 200m. It only ejects people on the list. If you were given an ejection notice by a security system by flying over the wall, you were flying over my neighbors parcel to the east of me...and yes he has a non-selective security system and no theres nothing i can do about it. My ground floor is accessible to anyone..my entire building up to about 200m is accessible to anyone. My tenants are constantly bringing in guests, my customers are in and out of the place all day long....its not as if I have time to put them all on a list Doc. I think you're being unnecessarily judgemental and you do not possess all the pertinent facts here. I don't like the wall much either, but my options are pretty slim. Please come back if you'd like me to clear up your confusion on the security systems on my parcel..I'd be more than happy to show them to you.
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Rose Bradley
Registered User
Join date: 28 May 2006
Posts: 109
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06-17-2006 14:14
It sounds like the land baron is trying to force you or one of your neighbors to buy the land for an insane price.
The tactic as probably worked a dozen times for him/her.
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Suzanna Soyinka
Slinky Slinky Slinky
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 292
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06-17-2006 14:30
From: Rose Bradley It sounds like the land baron is trying to force you or one of your neighbors to buy the land for an insane price.
The tactic as probably worked a dozen times for him/her. Well, for me, thats not really an option. Its not land in my sim, I'm very careful to about the land that goes up for sale in my sim and I tend to make very high offers to people that are selling out so they'll sell to me first, not because I'm a land baroness, just because I want to keep the sim nice and I use the prims. Regardless, the wall may not have to stay up...theres nothing about this situation which can't be resolved with a conceptual redesign of my building which allows me to use the building itself to mitigate the disaster thats occurred in the sim to the west of me. So maybe I'll take these lemons and make lemonade out of them. We'll see.
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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06-17-2006 14:52
From: Jack Harker Your business was never a problem. Neither is the business that currently borders me on the other side. They're both small and non-laggy. And I tried to make the wall as decorative as possible. I'm sorry about your patner, and that you had to move. The current owner is someone who's bought the land and turned on the Red Box 'O Death.  Ew. Just ew. Thats why I built a skybox for my 'home' land parcel and use a security script. Maybe if the ban lines were invisible and went to the building limit.. Before anyone even considers flaming me for using a security script - its my land, get used to it. Its also only around my skybox.
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Jack Harker
Registered User
Join date: 4 May 2005
Posts: 552
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06-17-2006 17:44
From: Suzanna Soyinka Well, for me, thats not really an option. Its not land in my sim, I'm very careful to about the land that goes up for sale in my sim and I tend to make very high offers to people that are selling out so they'll sell to me first, not because I'm a land baroness, just because I want to keep the sim nice and I use the prims.
Regardless, the wall may not have to stay up...theres nothing about this situation which can't be resolved with a conceptual redesign of my building which allows me to use the building itself to mitigate the disaster thats occurred in the sim to the west of me.
So maybe I'll take these lemons and make lemonade out of them. We'll see. I looked at the sim next to yours, it's pretty bad. One thing I wonder is, just what makes the seller think that they're going to sell any of their larger plots when they're *surrounded* with all of those 16m advertising plots? I wouldn't take any of them as a *gift*, let alone pay for them.
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Jack Harker
Registered User
Join date: 4 May 2005
Posts: 552
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06-17-2006 17:47
From: Jonas Pierterson Ew. Just ew. Thats why I built a skybox for my 'home' land parcel and use a security script. Maybe if the ban lines were invisible and went to the building limit.. Before anyone even considers flaming me for using a security script - its my land, get used to it. Its also only around my skybox. I've debated returning the favor by banning everyone who's on that land's "allowed" list, but I'd prefer to avoid drama just now, and anyway my gf would probably give me hell if I did. She doesn't like me getting involved in conflicts. Luckily, she doesn't read the forums. 
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Jeffrey Gomez
Cubed™
Join date: 11 Jun 2004
Posts: 3,522
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06-17-2006 17:55
From: Suzanna Soyinka Crappy ass floating signs that spin and make noise trying to sell the plots at hugely inflated rates, ads for peoples products and businesses...the works...the western sim right next to me is now a mainland trash build/ad hell wasteland. This USED to be a beautiful stretch of mainly residential coastal sims...and now we've got this HUGE EYESORE of a sim right in the middle of them all....all FOR MONEY. Well. LL wanted Second Life to be more like the internet. Wish granted.
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Suzanna Soyinka
Slinky Slinky Slinky
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 292
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06-17-2006 17:56
From: Jack Harker I looked at the sim next to yours, it's pretty bad.
One thing I wonder is, just what makes the seller think that they're going to sell any of their larger plots when they're *surrounded* with all of those 16m advertising plots? I wouldn't take any of them as a *gift*, let alone pay for them. Yeah it is, that whole sim was about as nice as the rest of them around here, not highly developed...but not an eyesore either. I took down my wall entirely, I'm going to be doing a complete overhaul of my architecture to make it less of an issue and move my tenants to the front of the building where all of them will get a nice coastal view and not have to deal with looking out the window into that mess. And yeah I wondered about the logic of that too. Sure because of the stupid Linden land in the sims for "roads" (yeah that'll happen) we've got irregular parcels along the road parcels...but irregardless how could anyone expect to sell a residential parcel in that sim with all that trash right there? It just makes no sense at all.
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Merlyn Bailly
owner, AVALON GALLERIA
Join date: 7 Sep 2005
Posts: 576
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06-17-2006 19:43
From: Suzanna Soyinka llRantMode(NULL_KEY, PROFANE_VERBOSE, TRUE);
So I've been around awhile now. You may know me, you may not, I'm a vampire dentist.
Anyways back in late December, I bought a little plot up in the north east corner of the northern continent it was a nice deal and it got me established and gave me and my family a place to be. A few weeks after that I went into business for myself, and well the rest is more or less history.
I now own 1/3rd of the entire sim. And I do my best to keep the place as nice as possible.
Well, the sim right to the west of me (most of my property is situated right on the sim border) used to have a sex club that owned about 60% of the sim. They weren't bad neighbors at all, hardly ever a bother, but the owner had to sell off tier and sell off fast due to RL problems...so what happens? She calls in an instant transaction land baron.
Well anyways he buys all her property, and then while splitting it all up, contacts my associate (cause thats the name on the exterior prims) about our wall.
We've had a 30m wall around our main parcel, its to give us a sembalence of privacy and containment from other peoples homes and what not. And thats just it, before this huge land sell off, almost 95% of the surrounding sims were all RESIDENTIAL sims and were well settled.
So anyways he contacts my associate about our wall, why? Cause its right next to I guess the best piece of property he picked up in the sim. And he asks "Hey, I just wanted to check with you...is that wall really necessary?"
So my associate told him it was and we left it at that and didn't think much more of it.
So over the next few days I noticed that oh...about 25% of the land this land baron bought has been split into AD PARCELS....little 16m plots for people to buy and place ads on them.
IS MY WALL NECESSARY? Well as of today, you are good goddamn right it is. In fact the 30m wall is now a 60m wall because it has to be. The sim right next to me, which my tenants on the backside of my building now have to endure is literally NOTHING but ad spam for about 4000 square meters of individual parcels.
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So yeah...my wall is necessary and will always be necessary til I'm finally in a position to own my own island....because til I can do that, apparently my property will never be safe from the tendency of unprincipled opportunists to take advantage of people in trouble, and turn what was a beautiful north coast community into a mainland spam pit for profit.
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llRantMode(NULL_KEY, PROFANE_VERBOSE, FALSE); Suzanne, please send me a pic of this (or several) and the name of the j*ck*ss that did it. I'll paste his name on my front page and make him look like the greedhead he is where EVERYONE can see it. Check his profile and see if he has a profile pic and send that, too, if you can?
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Josie McGann
Professional Cat-Herder
Join date: 10 Nov 2005
Posts: 34
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06-17-2006 19:46
I can kinda relate. My Partner and I have a lovely spot in Geneva (Dreamland), our lodge-style home overlooks a lovely small lake. Recently, A Chung decided to start renting out parcel around us...resulting in UGLY rental boxes about our formerly pristine lake and some even planted in the middle of the waterways wheer we once jetskied and swam.
The net result is that I feel our 1/3 sim to be much less valuable, and frankly has me shopping for something else. I kinda feel Anshe has sort of shot herself in the foot, but its her business to run and I'm presuming the new arrangement is profitable.
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Khamon Fate
fategardens.net
Join date: 21 Nov 2003
Posts: 4,177
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06-17-2006 19:59
From: Khamon Fate Now that might work, zone sims as civilized, where people are required to respect each other or be ejected, and uncivilized where it's understood that the owner can damn well do whatever the hell they damn well please with their land and you can go jump in a lake chump so there. Nobody likes this idea? Should I post a poll to see?
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Suzanna Soyinka
Slinky Slinky Slinky
Join date: 25 Nov 2005
Posts: 292
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06-18-2006 04:00
From: Khamon Fate Nobody likes this idea? Should I post a poll to see? I'd go with it. Personally I'd just go with an all out ban on physical advertising in residentially developed sims. But course that would be too hard to enforce an implement.
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