Something to be Said about Gorean Life

Yeh you bloody furries are all the same

I am not, by any streach of the imagination, a Gorean. I would not play in a Gorean sim for any reason, in either gender role. Their overall treatment of women apalls me. However, I will state that your poll is missing an important choice.

"Consentual roleplay depicting rape is not the same thing as a real, non-consentual rape."

I would never, ever, condone actual rape, as a forced sexual act that one person subjects another to - regardless of the genders or ages of the participants, or their past sexual histories. Forcing someone to perform a sexual act against their will is just plain wrong.

However, as I understand it, Gorean Roleplay, whether done in SL or in someone's home, is not a forced act. Neither is bondage roleplay or other forms of Domination and submission. The participants agree, in advance, to accept the roles of slave and master, and can cut it off at any time by speaking a safeword, or in SL simply by logging off.

I will agree that for some people, even roleplay of that type can have damaging psychological effects. Especially if the submissive person already has damaged self-esteem, or other traumatic issues. But if both people do not have such frailties, it's not necessarily harmful. Those individuals that I know who do include roleplay of rape scenes as part of their play do so only after making VERY sure that both sides are consenting, that both sides agree on how to stop if either actually becomes bothered by it, and that it is never more than roleplay.

Playing "Duke Nuke 'em" and shooting everything in sight is not going to turn a game player into a serial killer. By the same token, consentual roleplay between adults of sexual situations, even of those fringe situations such as slavery or rape, is not going to make one a rapist or a rape victim in real life. Not if the participants are at all in touch with reality.

Self-important twits on the rampage!

Again!

The idea of education bores you, does it? Somehow that is not surprising.

So many internal contradictions I don't know where to start.

1. Getting 'hot' off of other people's suffering is wrong (agreed)
   
2. No one in SL is really suffering (agreed)
   
3. Therefore, Gor roleplaying is wrong (does not follow!)
   

Not for me darlings, but each to their own...the costumes are nice though...kisses...Vera

There are also murders taking place in Gorean sims.

thank you Ethan, well said

I hope I am understanding your tortuous prose correctly, it was difficult to make out. But the point is, some people enjoy pain, they experience pain as pleasure. They hook up with people who enjoy inflicting pain. It's a win-win situation!

But with regards to Gor, that has nothing to do with it. In the Gor books it is stated that people who like to inflict pain for its own sake (as opposed to punishment or in a war or something like that) are considered by other Goreans to have a sickness and it's just not countenanced. So you'll find that most Goreans who play "by the book" don't really enjoy pain play.

Who are you to define what is wrong or right to people?

There are people that LIKE to HAVE pain. It's called Masochism.
There are people who LIKE to GIVE pain. It's called Sadism.
A perfect match, and when both parties have safe, sensual consent about this issue ther is NOTHING WRONG with it.

Now replace "HAVE/GIVE pain" with "be raped/rape" in the paragraph above. Notice the difference? No? Not surprisingly, because there is NONE.

Even if you don't like it, it's none of your business.

As for the OP, someone said it allready: complete misinformed, misunderstood bullshit and pre-judice. It sound like a whine "OMGWTFzors, Goream males are very likely to be possible rapists in RL"... Please get a grip and some reality.

And how is a Gorean empire different from a FemDom empire in Second Life, where women rule and men are worthless? Or what about Dominant women who treat their women submissives as worthless?

I'm not Gorean, far from it, but they have the right as adults to live their Second Life however they choose.

On a sidenote, and to totally sidetrack this thread from its original and moot point, I will stand up for the rights of Goreans, Furries, Ageplayers, Mages, Grim Babies, tortured griefing cubes, and even Lindens, let them express themselves!

You may begin the hate rants.... right.... about.... now.

One is based on fiction.

Kelly,

I don't want to sound horrible, but I probably will. You are posting from your position of authority as a rape counsellor. However, your spelling and punctuation remove all authority your posting might have had. It is not difficult to use a spell checker, and it's not difficult to break your posting up into paragraphs. I would suggest that these two simple things would make your postings seem far more authoritative.

Secondly, as someone who claims to be a rape counsellor, you seem to know very little about female psychology. If you did, you would know that fantasies of rape are among the most common female sexual fantasies. There is all the difference in the world between the experience of rape and the fantasies that people have about it. I have known women who have *been* raped, have experienced the trauma, and still have sexual fantasies involving rape. I would suggest that if you wish to become a better counsellor, you should go and talk to some of the women in the Gorean sims, and see what they feel about the whole subject. Like many things in life, there is a big difference between the fantasy and the reality.

You would.

And some of the grammarians.

Don't get me wrong. I UNDERSTAND it is a Game. I UNDERSTAND that it is fiction. it is not my Aim to make people Feel Bad for there thoughts or there feelings. I simply seek to understand the mindset of some of the players. I wrote what I wrote to get a respons from others. I would like more information please keep posting. I was a officer in the US Navy for 8 years. I was attached to the chaplins office and have worked a number of years as a soical worker and rape cousaler ((I know lots of typos and I miss spell things)) I do not wish to Flare Tempers Rather understanding

i myself have never played in a gorean sim,and probably would never do so. i think the idea of enslavement and and forced rape wrong. in RL i hate rapist to the extreme. however i have roleplayed it with people who were 100% consensual.they have approached me on the fantasy asking to roleplay it. i would never do it without their consent,and ask every bit of the way if what im doing is ok.if they say no. i stop.if they say yes i continue until they stop it.so actually they are the ones with the power not me. if some one is consensual about it i have nothing against it,however if someone does not consent to it,then its wrong

Foreplay and consent are for suckers anyways.

Literature
Gor itself was created by a man named John Lange, a university professor holding a doctorate in philosophy, writing under the assumed name of John Norman. In a series of twenty-five books, the first of which was published in 1967, he developed and defined the world of Gor and the cultures which populate it. Though fictional, this land and its peoples carry the influence of their creator and his profession, expressing the writer's thoughts and assertions in a form of allegory in which he explores the existence and purpose of men and women, their relationship to one another and their world, and the development of society and culture. The backdrop for this is a savage counter-Earth, whose people can be likened to many ancient cultures of our own world's past, predominantly those of the Greco-Roman age. They are the descendants of people transported to Gor from Earth's classical times, left to develop their own history down a line diverging from that of our own civilization's growth. This fictional setting is utilized not only as a medium for storytelling, but also the environment within which the author develops clearly considered philosophical and sociological assertions, demonstrated through the actions of the characters within the stories and their lives on Gor. Barbaric by the standards of contemporary Earth, these people live in a highly developed and refined society of city-states, whose only true "barbarism" is a life contrary to what is acceptable to our own civilization's current beliefs.
"It is not necessary to burn a book, if one does not permit it to be published."



They are no more then Savage beast like the old day with the cave men knock then in the head and carry them to the cave ....

lol
What women is her right mind would come to sl and be subject to this ... this makes me wouder about ppl lifes in general and question every thing ... Kelly ... As you know all of this has all been programed in to Women at birth to be Submissve ... Which i think is totaly .. Wrong and Self Esteem issues come to play here to Kelly Do you think !

Its a Dang Sci-fi book lol ... ppl need to get real life i think and be secure with them self

And not sayi9ng all of them but some of these places try to Draw ppl in to this life style and be fore to long they get hooked and cant get out .... ..
Then they come to sl Saying how bad there . life is and there master ect is beastteing them ... i said then leave ... they say but i like it ..Some ppl need A Real life Shink Not !! sl to get there help Kelly ... too bad not more ppl like you are out there to help !!!!

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to me there is black there is white no shades of grey

We are adults and should know better ...

Kelly also think of the Co-Dependancy circle too

Holy shit, real ones?

There are shades of grey.

Recognising this is the first step towards intellectual maturity.

Come. Be not afraid.

Well, as a counselor, I'd hope you know that coming at someone with a "OMG WTF U R SIK!!!" mentality isn't really a good way to get them to open up to you. All you've done is put the people you want to hear from on the defensive and in the mood to attack you back.

Dearly Darlings,

The rape fanstasy must be for the younger generation. It was certainly not one of mine. I think most women of my age group would have orgiastic pleasure if our elderly husbands managed to actually pee in the toilet instead of the floor. My recent complaint about Gor folk are the ones that are starting to bring their livestock or whatever they want to call the young ladies to classes at Teaszers. Tripping over kneeling slaves in silk dresses with a table stuck to my waist or head is not my cup of tea.

Ever Yours,

Mrs Showdog Tiger

And i have Masde a practice not to talk to any type of Gor /Master -Slave/Sub/pet ... this is wrong ....

and my mind is strong ... im not a Animal to be put on a leash ...

this one is a kajira. yes a slave, beast which ever floats your boat. yes this girl has a Master. yes there are bad things in Gor, there are also good things in Gor. There are bad Masters, and bad Mistresses, there are also good Ones.

this girl has seen punishments, and rapes, this one has never recieved either for girl is a good girl. alot of punishments a person sees in Gor has been started by the slave who wants the reaction they receive from their Owner. in BDSM girl believes they are called sammies.

girl has not see many abuse Their propety just for the hell of it for that would render it useless to their Owner/s.

understand before casting Your own opinion on the lifestyle but never judge it for it is not Your place to.


girl