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Caliandris Pendragon
Waiting in the light
Join date: 12 Feb 2004
Posts: 643
04-05-2006 09:58
I have started an Anti $cam $ociety, A$$ for short, to combat freebie sellers, other peoples copy resellers, exploiters, etc etc.

If anyone would like to join and donate tier to the group, one of the things which could be done is setting up places to provide information about the free content available in world, and that we don't believe it is right to resell content which is provided for people for free.

We could also look into placing classifieds, making a mark of approval for people who agree to abide by the A$$ rules, which should be more stringent than the current TOS or CS.

I'm fed up with seeing my free to copy items for sale... I'm fed up with people exploiting the goodwill of creators...and I am fed up with the frustration at not being able to take action.
Cali
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Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
04-05-2006 10:01
Better Business Group or something.
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Taco Rubio
also quite creepy
Join date: 15 Feb 2004
Posts: 3,349
04-05-2006 10:12
Is this a scam? :confused:
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Aaron Levy
Medicated Lately?
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,147
04-05-2006 10:12
From: Caliandris Pendragon
I'm fed up with seeing my free to copy items for sale... I'm fed up with people exploiting the goodwill of creators...and I am fed up with the frustration at not being able to take action.
Cali


Post about it on the Second Life Better Business Bureau forums. www.slbbb.com :)
Katlin Aridian
Pippi Girl/Barbie World
Join date: 10 Nov 2005
Posts: 150
04-05-2006 10:31
Forums are a good idea, but I'm curious as to why there isn't a massive "SL Merchants Association" or somesuch. You know, where business owners could pay L$50 to join and receive a plaque for their window or wall that verifies (after someone checking) that they're a merchant in good standing in Second Life? Shoppers could touch the plaque and receive a notecard explaining the verification process, and where to direct complaints and so forth.

Good, bad, indifferent? Potential?
Mad Wombat
Six Stringz Owner
Join date: 21 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
04-05-2006 10:41
Good idea!
Katlin Aridian
Pippi Girl/Barbie World
Join date: 10 Nov 2005
Posts: 150
04-05-2006 10:47
Well ... in case this would sound pursuable to anyone, I started a group by that name, and am more than open to taking on other officers and ideas for this. Just let me know. :)

Edit: Er, not that I'm trying to steal anyone's thunder or anything. Just a side idea.
Newfie Pendragon
Crusty and proud of it
Join date: 19 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,025
04-05-2006 10:48
There used to be a group working on a merchant's ethics group - think the acronym was RATE - that would try to address the issue. Unfortunately, the interest in the group just seemd to die out and it didn't go anywhere.

Was a shame too, I was hoping it was going to come to fruition.


- Newfie
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
04-05-2006 11:20
Sign me up. We need to derail the international communist conspiracy now.
Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
04-05-2006 11:23
From: Jamie Bergman
Sign me up. We need to derail the international communist conspiracy now.


Just a wild fleeting stab in the dark here, but I kind of think your sign-up will be refused. With hysterical giggling to boot at a guess.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
04-05-2006 11:28
From: Moopf Murray
Just a wild fleeting stab in the dark here, but I kind of think your sign-up will be refused. With hysterical giggling to boot at a guess.


No offense, but I believe that post has revealed you to be a communist. Denying someone the right to be part of a group is not very democratic.
Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
04-05-2006 11:34
From: Jamie Bergman
No offense, but I believe that post has revealed you to be a communist. Denying someone the right to be part of a group is not very democratic.


No offense, but I'll stick to my description of you from an earlier thread. And anyway, the whole point of this group is to protect consumers from the likes of you, so it kind of makes sense to exclude you!

Donchathink?
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Jamie Bergman
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Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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04-05-2006 11:36
From: Moopf Murray
No offense, but I'll stick to my description of you from an earlier thread. And anyway, the whole point of this group is to protect consumers from the likes of you, so it kind of makes sense to exclude you!

Donchathink?


Not at all. I am a businessperson of the uptmost repute who has not violated the TOS. You can't just exclude people because you dont like them. Thats discrimination --- donchathink?
Dianne Mechanique
Back from the Dead
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 2,648
04-05-2006 11:45
From: Jamie Bergman
Not at all. I am a businessperson of the uptmost repute who has not violated the TOS. You can't just exclude people because you dont like them. Thats discrimination --- donchathink?
This makes no sense. :confused:

The group would be presumably banning you from membership because of percieved poor buisness practices, not because they "didn't like you." There is certainly nothing wrong with that, and whether your activities are technically not violating the TOS or not need not have anything to do with it.

To turn your technicality back on yourself, it's not a violation of the TOS to deny you membership in a group.
From: Jamie Bergman
...Denying someone the right to be part of a group is not very democratic.
Not true either. Members of a group deciding who is a part of their group is central to democratic institutions.
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Vivianne Draper
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 1,157
04-05-2006 11:45
From: Jamie Bergman
Not at all. I am a businessperson of the uptmost repute who has not violated the TOS. You can't just exclude people because you dont like them. Thats discrimination --- donchathink?


Well you are a known seller of freebies. Since this group is being formed to discourage that, why would you want to join?
Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
04-05-2006 11:50
From: Vivianne Draper
Well you are a known seller of freebies. Since this group is being formed to discourage that, why would you want to join?


A known seller? What court of law returned that verdict? I have modified the objects and BOUGHT them with full permissions, so they are hardly "freebies".

These allegations are ridiculous.
Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
04-05-2006 11:55
From: Jamie Bergman
Not at all. I am a businessperson of the uptmost repute who has not violated the TOS. You can't just exclude people because you dont like them. Thats discrimination --- donchathink?


When a group is setup to stop people like yourself abusing freebies then I'd happily be a part of that discrimination. I still can't work out if you're somebody else with an alt, using it for performance art or whether this is you, for real. Either way your actions make you pretty dispicable. So it doesn't matter if it's art or for real, either way I really don't like ya.
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Vivianne Draper
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Join date: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 1,157
04-05-2006 11:59
From: Jamie Bergman
A known seller? What court of law returned that verdict? I have modified the objects and BOUGHT them with full permissions, so they are hardly "freebies".

These allegations are ridiculous.


Jamie, the people who created the objects in question have posted here that they have seen you selling their items. People who created the objects in question get customer service requests from your customers. Regardless of whether you modified them or not, they are freebies. Regardless of whether or not you bought them in the first place, they are freebies.

You don't need to be convicted. Don't be ridiculous. Rumor works much better than any conviction every could. No one has to let you be a member of their group and I rather suspect you wouldn't be very welcome at this one.
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
04-05-2006 12:00
From: Jamie Bergman
A known seller? What court of law returned that verdict? I have modified the objects and BOUGHT them with full permissions, so they are hardly "freebies".


I don't recall a court of law ever declaring that I have a pancreas, but that lack of judicial endorsement doesn't obviate the organ's existence within my chest cavity.
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
04-05-2006 12:04
From: Enabran Templar
I don't recall a court of law ever declaring that I have a pancreas, but that lack of judicial endorsement doesn't obviate the organ's existence within my chest cavity.


But nobody has ever alleged that you do not.
Caliandris Pendragon
Waiting in the light
Join date: 12 Feb 2004
Posts: 643
04-05-2006 15:20
Sorry, Jamie...it's my group I can exclude whomever I please. I don't have to give a reason.

The whole point of the group is to assert that it is wrong to sell copies of other people's creations: you by your own admission do this, and therefore would not be welcome in the group.

Cali
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Etoile Brissot
Registered User
Join date: 7 Nov 2005
Posts: 20
04-11-2006 22:01
"Sign me up. We need to derail the international communist conspiracy now."

Hah! And here I was, thinking that getting an item for free, then selling it for profit, is more closely related to capitalism than communism! Silly me!!
SuezanneC Baskerville
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Join date: 22 Dec 2003
Posts: 14,229
04-11-2006 22:17
From: Enabran Templar
organ's existence within my chest cavity.
I think the pancreas is below the chest cavity, in the abdomen.
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Nepenthes Ixchel
Broadly Offended.
Join date: 6 Dec 2005
Posts: 696
04-12-2006 00:49
From: Etoile Brissot
"Sign me up. We need to derail the international communist conspiracy now."

Hah! And here I was, thinking that getting an item for free, then selling it for profit, is more closely related to capitalism than communism! Silly me!!


It is. That's why people who do it want to get rid of the communist consiracy of "freebies from each according to their abilities, freebies to each according to their needs."

From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I think the pancreas is below the chest cavity, in the abdomen.


Are you going to can an expert witness to back you up there? You need to convince the judge of this before I'll believe it. *grins*
Geepa Lazarno
Registered User
Join date: 7 Apr 2006
Posts: 61
04-12-2006 11:11
I've always wondered about the proliferation of 1 L$ "freebies" at many of the recommended sites. (In some cases up to 50 L$ for collections of greter interest).

I know a L$ is only about 1 third of a cent, but still, it is something..

Or are we talking larger prices for less stuff here?
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