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One click registration on SLDrama.com, and the thoughts behind it. (multi-topic)

Foolish Frost
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04-07-2006 11:18
From: Enabran Templar
Dude, it's cool you want to build community and all, but that layout and interface is just discouragingly unappealing. Hook up with one of the many design-minded folks in SL, make that thing look less fugly and you'll be on your way.

(fu guys, someone had to say it. Also, the UN really needs to restrict the use of Impact in the future. Save people from themselves -- they know not what they do.)


<tsk>

<raised eyebrow> Your opinion is noted. Your method of telling me is as well. Your offer to build a new site template for me with your great skills is acknoledged and accepted.

Let me know what you come up with!
Foolish Frost
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04-07-2006 11:21
From: Moopf Murray
I used this method as well when we first got email <-> the world with my sldata vendor service - can't remember when that was, sometime in 2004? It's much easier for the end user and good for guaranteeing the identity of the avatar.

Acutally thinking about it, this is probably one of very few things Eggy didn't already do in Beta :D (Go on, prove me wrong. Somehow I know you have it in you! ;) )



Aww! C'mon!

How many people did this before I figured it out? You're killing me here!
Moopf Murray
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An even easier method for the end user?
04-07-2006 11:22
Thinking on how Eggy could have done this in Beta, if indeed he did. It would actually have been possible :)

1. Setup an alt with a new email address
2. Tell people to IM that alt with something like 'SIGN ME UP'
3. Filter email coming into the email address you're using for the alt, through to PHP. Pick up 'SIGN ME UP' IMs and set them up and reply to the email with their password back to their IM in-world. Obviously check authenticity of sender but then, that's the same with any of these types of setup.

That would work. I think. Then they don't have to go anywhere to sign up, just fire off an IM.

EDIT: Actually when did we get IM to Email and the ability to reply? Was it already here in Beta or not? I can't quite remember if we could already do it when I first arrived.
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Moopf Murray
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04-07-2006 11:24
From: Foolish Frost
Aww! C'mon!

How many people did this before I figured it out? You're killing me here!


I think you're the only one who hasn't before now ;) We've all been sniggering behind your back, nudging each other and tittering like school girls, hardly able to cont......

Sorry. I didn't mean my post to come over as a 'me first'. It is a really neat way of handling sign-ups though, absolutely.
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Foolish Frost
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04-07-2006 11:58
From: Moopf Murray
I think you're the only one who hasn't before now ;) We've all been sniggering behind your back, nudging each other and tittering like school girls, hardly able to cont......

Sorry. I didn't mean my post to come over as a 'me first'. It is a really neat way of handling sign-ups though, absolutely.


<waves hand> Not a problem. I was just jumping between overjoyed at being the first and stunned no one seemed to have done it before...

The reality makes MUCH more sense.

:D
Enabran Templar
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04-07-2006 12:47
From: Foolish Frost
Your opinion is noted. Your method of telling me is as well. Your offer to build a new site template for me with your great skills is acknoledged and accepted.

Let me know what you come up with!


:rolleyes:

I'm not a web developer. Nor am I chocolatier. Nor do I have to be a chocolatier to say, with authority, when a candy tastes like crap in my mouth.

Seriously, find someone to help you with that stuff. It looks really bad.
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Jauani Wu
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04-07-2006 12:56
From: Foolish Frost
First, let me explain my reasons for not putting this in another more specific forum:
1- I'm going to be discussing the technology behind what I did and why.
2- I'm going to be talking about the social/commercial factors of why I did it this way.
3- I'm going to ask everyone who sees this to try and register and see if the system can take the heat of hundreds of registration requests at the same time.

Seems a bit general to me. YMMV...


when you have to rationalize why your post belongs in general, it means you know it probably isn't but can't resist the exposure.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-07-2006 13:48
From: Foolish Frost
Please see your local humor upgrade specialist for details.)

Dear Mr. Frost:

I am having difficulty locating any humor upgrade specialists in this area. Can you be of any help in this matter? Thanks for your time.

Sincerely,

SuezanneC Baskerville
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Torley Linden
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04-07-2006 14:41
There is an issue here of common interest, which is:
How can unofficial SL sites be more accessible by 1) easily verifying your Resident identity and 2) having an easier method of registration?
I'd really like to see more 3rd-party sites about SL--including forums--flourish.

This thread uses a specific fansite as a jumping off point, but discussion should be opened up about the broader issues involved, as it's veering close to being moved.

Some have suggested OpenID.

Also, I do find it odd that one can TP all around the grid, including to myriad private islands, without having to reregister. Websites, of course, are a different story.
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Candide LeMay
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04-07-2006 14:54
Torley,

llName2Key() would be a good start (getting the avatar key from name so that we can send confirmation IM or whatever, withouth keeping huge databases of scanned keys)
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Foolish Frost
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04-07-2006 17:00
From: Candide LeMay
Torley,

llName2Key() would be a good start (getting the avatar key from name so that we can send confirmation IM or whatever, withouth keeping huge databases of scanned keys)


Is can see why they don't allow that: It offers the ability to pick someone out from ANYWHERE, while the need for a key at least complicates the effort to get communication with the avatar.

We already have proof that some will attempt to abuse easy access to avatars with attacks including object and image spamming, IM spamming, etc..

Part of the reason I don't even HAVE a sensor in mine.
Foolish Frost
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04-07-2006 17:09
Well Torley. it comes down to what I can glen from SL systems: Name and Key are two primary systems that are very useful. The combined use of them allow me to secure a 3rd party site to SL tightly in terms of security and ease of use.

Since no where in the LSL system does it allow me to gather information on the user beyond game or basic identity info, I'm kind of limited in what I can do. Now if we had the ability to attach a hidden 'notecard' to users, or even better, access the personal info screen about other users in the profile? THAT would allow some serious interaction and data storage.

Or for lack of a better term, cookies!

I kind of like that! The option is already there, any way we could look into what the resource hit would be if we had script access to that? Memory, storage, and...

Hmnnnn. Thinking... 100000 users, squared... Times 16K...

Er... Never mind. That's a really BAD idea... :o
Red Mars
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04-07-2006 17:23
Well I tried to register. I got my password and all and I can't log in. It says cookies must be enabled, but cookies ARE enabled.
Foolish Frost
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04-07-2006 17:38
From: Red Mars
Well I tried to register. I got my password and all and I can't log in. It says cookies must be enabled, but cookies ARE enabled.


Thats a browser issue. clear cookies and close all browsers, hen try and login again.
Candide LeMay
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04-07-2006 17:39
From: Foolish Frost
Is can see why they don't allow that: It offers the ability to pick someone out from ANYWHERE, while the need for a key at least complicates the effort to get communication with the avatar.

We already have proof that some will attempt to abuse easy access to avatars with attacks including object and image spamming, IM spamming, etc...
The combined namekey databases have probably something like 100K keys available. If someone wants to spam you he will anyway. It's against the TOS and LL should deal with it. The advantage of implementing llName2Key is that it should be trivial and take LL less than 10 years.
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Hugsy Penguin
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04-07-2006 19:54
Registration was fairly quick (took about one minute to get the password) and easy. Nice job.

HP
Foolish Frost
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04-08-2006 04:49
From: Hugsy Penguin
Registration was fairly quick (took about one minute to get the password) and easy. Nice job.

HP


Thanks. <rubs hands together> Now I just can't wait to add features...

Now all I need is to get about 10 people together to rapidly hit the system with requests to see how it keeps up...
Noh Rinkitink
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04-08-2006 05:54
registered via the kiosk in-world

(I'm not certain that the news items should be hidden to those not logged in, but it's your site. :) )
Foolish Frost
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04-08-2006 06:02
From: Noh Rinkitink
registered

(I'm not certain that the news items should be hidden to those not logged in, but it's your site. :) )


Considering that some of the tings being said in the future may not be complimentary or polite, I think it was a good limitation.
ZsuZsanna Raven
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04-08-2006 10:07
This is in no disrespect to the OP but this thread is a prime example of the inconsistencies of the moderation in the SL Forums. I have seen other similar threads about resident websites that are started or moved to the Fansites Forum, where they should be, yet this one stays in General...

Just Sayin'
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-08-2006 11:42
From: ZsuZsanna Raven
This is in no disrespect to the OP but this thread is a prime example of the inconsistencies of the moderation in the SL Forums. I have seen other similar threads about resident websites that are started or moved to the Fansites Forum, where they should be, yet this one stays in General...

Just Sayin'

I am not sure, but I think this thread may have been moved out of general by a resmod and was moved back into general by Torley. I wouldn't put much money on that but I think so.

I'd say it would have been more appropriate to start a thread on "How can unofficial SL sites be more accessible by 1) easily verifying your Resident identity and 2) having an easier method of registration?" by starting a thread asking exactly that in the appropriate forum, which would probably be scripting or technical, rather than trying to warp an existing and misplaced thread in that direction.

Have you tried sldrama.com yet, or forums.sluniverse, or forums.secondcitizen?
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Foolish Frost
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04-09-2006 10:39
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
I am not sure, but I think this thread may have been moved out of general by a resmod and was moved back into general by Torley. I wouldn't put much money on that but I think so.

I'd say it would have been more appropriate to start a thread on "How can unofficial SL sites be more accessible by 1) easily verifying your Resident identity and 2) having an easier method of registration?" by starting a thread asking exactly that in the appropriate forum, which would probably be scripting or technical, rather than trying to warp an existing and misplaced thread in that direction.

Have you tried sldrama.com yet, or forums.sluniverse, or forums.secondcitizen?


That was another thread, Here: /128/84/98413/1.html
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