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StoneSelf Karuna
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02-27-2006 22:28
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
why not?
because you said so.
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
advise those who stray from the topic to start their own threads if there is not an existing thread already started on the subject they wish to discuss.
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clap on, clap off..
02-27-2006 22:46
From: StoneSelf Karuna
just when has a thread gone "off-topic"?

the problem with saying a forum-thread has gone "off-topic" just because the last few posts have been "off-topic" misses the point that threads become multi-threaded (they just don't get marked as separate threads).
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StoneSelf, you are absolutely correct. any given thread has a tendency to have "OPff Topic" posts within it and is a natural discourse of human conversation.

this is why one of the ResMod guidelines is to post to a thread to attempt to bring something back On Topic if it seems to have strayed too far from the orginal point. only after a couple attempts of such, or in obvioous situations, should a thread be closed/moved/submitted for review.

for instance, if i read through a thread that has a legitimate OP, then the following comments are observed quietly for a bit. if an antire thread is derailed for pages with Off Topic bantor, it is likely that i will either close it and send it to review, or i will provide a link in Linden Review without taking personal action.

sometimes, yes, it's apparent (or fairly close) that a thread has strayed and is beyond salvation where submitting to review is no longer an option. if i see an On Topic thread in General, but it veers into Off Topic territory.. i'll give it time to correct itself.. sometimes throwing in a post about keeping to the original subject matter.


or in short, exactly. a few Off Topic posts don't mean a thread should suffer "Off Topic" moderation. time will tell is a good rule of thumb. stifling such outbreaks would only serve to wholly stifle the forums.
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02-27-2006 23:03
From: StoneSelf Karuna
because you said so.

Language is fluid and ever changing, perhaps the meaning of the words I used has changed from the time I wrote them till now.

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02-27-2006 23:07
I think your all off topic :D
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02-27-2006 23:23
It would be an irony if this thread was moved to Off-Topic.

I once played around with experimental forum topic that was like Choose Your Own Adventure. It was quite nonlinear, allowing posts to be like "leaves" that branched out from the original post.

I love tangents like Donald Trump loves money. One of the greatest challenges to me here is to get some order to my chaos. There's no better way than to continue participating in the SL Forums.

I have something called the "boomerang". That meaning, if a post I make seems unrelated to the focus of the conversation, I will sooner or later (but likely sooner) attempt to swish it back and explain all the connections.

A thread for me, depending on which thread, may be off-topic if it doesn't actively demonstrate these connections. Quite often it's obvious, i.e. punny one-liners or giant nonsensical images cropping up for a dozen posts in a row. Which is not to say I don't enjoy such things; being a Linden chaotician, I do. However, they have their place--and that place is in Off-Topic. :)

(Which, in some way, may be likened to that railroad on the funny end of town where the air smells of thyme and the tracks are alien technology.)
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02-27-2006 23:52
From: Torley Linden
Off-Topic. the air smells
Hmm, my nickname for the Off Topic forum is "the cesspool".

Must have different senses of smell.
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StoneSelf Karuna
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02-28-2006 14:01
From: Cybin Monde
<more stuff>
fwiw, i think a thread should remain open as long as <b>the original topic is being discussed</b> - regardless of the ratio to off-topic/on-topic.

i also find the whole temporarily moving a thread to resmod only locations or temporarily closing a thread a great way to kill a thread.

also, as happend to this thread /112/d1/89751/15.html#post912326, while it went off-topic in many sub-threads... it still had topical content.

the message this sends is that a topical thread can be relegated to the unimportant forum by adding enough trash to it - despite the fact that there is topical content.

sending a thread to off-topic just because some (or even most) of the conversation has gone "off-topic" is a disservice to those who were on topic and to the topic itself.

all this justification of why censorship of this type is acceptable makes my teeth ache.
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02-28-2006 14:10
From: StoneSelf Karuna
that's the wrong question. it presupposes that i think post are not expected to have any relevancy to the posts that preceded them.

my point is that the person who starts a thread has no control over the following posts. should that person and those conversing with the thread-starter be penalized because others have decided to start a sub-thread?
No of course not, we should be able to moderate our own threads. I start a thread; I moderate the thread. That'd be pretty simple and straightforward for everyone to understand.
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02-28-2006 17:11
From: Khamon Fate
No of course not, we should be able to moderate our own threads. I start a thread; I moderate the thread. That'd be pretty simple and straightforward for everyone to understand.
Should you have editing power over the replies, such that you can do things like remove the word "not" from the phrase "Johny Appleseed says he did not crash the grid on purpose"?
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02-28-2006 17:31
From: StoneSelf Karuna
fwiw, i think a thread should remain open as long as <b>the original topic is being discussed</b> - regardless of the ratio to off-topic/on-topic.

i also find the whole temporarily moving a thread to resmod only locations or temporarily closing a thread a great way to kill a thread.

also, as happend to this thread /112/d1/89751/15.html#post912326/112/d1/89751/15.html#post912326, while it went off-topic in many sub-threads... it still had topical content.

the message this sends is that a topical thread can be relegated to the unimportant forum by adding enough trash to it - despite the fact that there is topical content.

sending a thread to off-topic just because some (or even most) of the conversation has gone "off-topic" is a disservice to those who were on topic and to the topic itself.

all this justification of why censorship of this type is acceptable makes my teeth ache.
How long is it till threads are closed due to dormancy and moved to archives?

There is no way to know whether a post will occur that is on topic in the future.

Threads are currently allowed to remain open for several months without reply. Each off topic response starts the timer over again.
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02-28-2006 18:16
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Should you have editing power over the replies, such that you can do things like remove the word "not" from the phrase "Johny Appleseed says he did not crash the grid on purpose"?
Oh right sorry, I fell down a rabbit hole and imagined I was in a world of adults. I retract my suggestion.
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02-28-2006 18:53
From: Khamon Fate
Oh right sorry, I fell down a rabbit hole and imagined I was in a world of adults. I retract my suggestion.


Well , if you really imagined you were in a place populated by people who are capable of behaving in even a vaguely "adult" manner, using concepts such as property rights, courtesy, good judgment, common sense, empathy, you have an unbelievably outstanding imagination. I wish you luck in someday bringing this outrageously pleasant vision into the realm of reality.

I have supported the idea of people being able to moderate their own threads in the past, and was met with hostility and scorn.

I don't think in a system like this where the thread starter is not the owner that a threadstarting moderator should be able to edit a respondant's post.

Delete it entirely, yes. Send it back to them and tell them take out the personal attacks, foul language, and fix the spelling errors, yes, but being able to put words in their mouths without their permission, no, that is not a good idea at all.

Seriously , the idea that the forum crowd here would deal with the ability to edit reponses to their posts in a sensible mature way is very very silly.
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02-28-2006 18:56
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Well , if you really imagined you were in a place populated by people who are capable of behaving in even a vaguely "adult" manner, using concepts such as property rights, courtesy, good judgment, common sense, empathy, you have an unbelievably outstanding imagination. I wish you luck in someday bringing this outrageously pleasant vision into the realm of reality.

I have supported the idea of people being able to moderate their own threads in the past, and was met with hostility and scorn.

I don't think in a system like this where the thread starter is nopt the owner that a threadstarting moderator should be able to edit a respondant's post.

Delete it entirely, yes. Send it back to them and tell them take out the personal attacks, foul language, and fix the spelling errors, yes, but being able to put words in their mouths without their permission, no, that is not a good idea at all.

Seriously , the idea that the forum crowd here would deal with the ability to edit reponses to their posts in a sensible mature way is very very silly.



boring.
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02-28-2006 19:03
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boring.


Where'd you get your credentials? ;)
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02-28-2006 19:07
http://petroleum.berkeley.edu/UC/PE/com.htm
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Very impressive resume you have there, Taco. Is there anything you can't do?
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02-28-2006 19:17
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boring.
Can you think of anything pertaining to the Second Life virtual environment - not the product discussion forum at forums.secondlife.com, but the SL 3D VE, that is not boring?
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02-28-2006 19:29
From: Cristiano Midnight
* veers off into rant about Macs *
What about Macs? You got something 'gainst Macs?

I challenge you to a duel, Mac ranter.

A duel with Stoneself Karunua. I get to watch, and charge admission.
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02-28-2006 19:49
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
What about Macs? You got something 'gainst Macs?

I challenge you to a duel, Mac ranter.

A duel with Stoneself Karunua. I get to watch, and charge admission.


Scroll wheels at fifty paces?
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02-28-2006 19:59
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Can you think of anything pertaining to the Second Life virtual environment - not the product discussion forum at forums.secondlife.com, but the SL 3D VE, that is not boring?


I fucking can't :(
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02-28-2006 23:02
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Can you think of anything pertaining to the Second Life virtual environment - not the product discussion forum at forums.secondlife.com, but the SL 3D VE, that is not boring?
"as above, so below."
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03-01-2006 01:45
From: Chip Midnight
Because most subtopics in threads are just quips or sidebars that really don't warrant a full thread. They're usually better off in the context in which they arose, as added flavor, interjected humor, or what have you. We'd miss out on a lot of interesting discourse if it was verboten to veer off on tangents.
Thats exactly the way normal conversation progresses too, we are not robots with programmed responses. Free association, memories, anecdotes etc all go into the mix that produces the rich tapestry of communication.
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03-01-2006 02:41
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Can you think of anything pertaining to the Second Life virtual environment - not the product discussion forum at forums.secondlife.com, but the SL 3D VE, that is not boring?


Quanterions.
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StoneSelf Karuna
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03-01-2006 10:11
From: Siggy Romulus
Quanterions.
i just want to know...

am i the only person who sits in front of the monitor using his arm to figure out how to do rotations in a program.

point up, rotate in the x plane, rotate y plane, rotate z plane.

i look like a one-armed cheerleader.

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evidently, not being in english makes a post off-topic, either that or enough people complaining about it makes it off-topic. the russian thread got moved to off-topic.
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