Why would you care?

Why would you care if someone saw the abuse report you filed?

I mentioned in another thread that the possibility of HIGHLY focused, long-term, relentless retaliation against those who file abuse reports is not just a theoretical concern, it's quite real.

These perps can easily walk the razor's edge of the TOS to avoid suspension while still making your Second Life miserable. Linden Lab is, and always will be, dutiful in enforcing the TOS to the letter of the law such that these people can continue to harass their accusers so long as they don't step over a well defined line.

At the end of the day, if your ARs are not private, it's just not worth the enormous potential hassle to file them.

What are the chances that someone would file an abuse report against a ResMod, knowing full well that ResMod may/will see it? Slim to none, I'd guess. They've basically just made 12 residents immune to ARs.

OOF. HAHAH. I have been so focused on the possibility of AR LEAKS that I completely forgot that the subject of the AR may actually have LEGITIMATE access to the AR!!!

To those of us seasoned residents who have our thumbs on current affairs...we simply know to never AR sitting resident mods. But newer users who may not be 100% aware of who is serving THESE two weeks may very well make some enemies if he/she ARs the wrong person.

Bah..they aren't gods. I'd AR Phillip himself if I thought he stepped over the line.

If its possible to strip the reporter's name off a forum Abuse Report, yeah - that's probably the best thing to do, really. Especially since ResMods will be rotated in & out. Theoretically, we all could do a stint as ResMod at one point or another.

I see no reason why a ResMod would *need* the information, anyway.

And Philip would never strike back. The Lindens have a long-term, career-related, vested interest in behaving professionally. I am not concerend about how a Linden would react to seeing my ARs.

I am not nearly as popular as some people in SL, so I don't truly understand what it's like when everyone knows your name. If someone harasses you then there are measures to ignore them as far as I can tell, and report them. If they are actively harassing you and they are told that they just got AR'd or however that works, I bet they will know where it's coming from anyway. Unless they go about harassing various people and lose track in their ensueing harassment frenzies. Even then why would I care if they knew I said..hey this person is harassing me?

If I see something wrong happen and I am moved to report it, and maybe if they knew it was me, they would less likely to do it again in my pressence. If they chose to them harass me, I would just report them again.

I must be missing a piece of the puzzle here in my naive understanding of our world.

Yeah but if he did, he would soooo pwn them...

Ya. I rememeber pissing off Philip once.

Took me a week to fix my AV.

Maybe not know exactly who filed the forum report - but being able to work out if a bunch of reports were filed by the same person, is needed. (doing a one-way transformation on the name might be a way of doing this)

The reasoning is as follows: A large number of reports are coming from groups of the same people, reporting every post in a thread.

If we were unable to discern who is who, then it may be taken that 'thread X has got a large number of complaints, send it to review.', which is probably worth avoiding.

I don't see anything wrong with it....hehehehehe

Maybe something like a forum key is needed (like avatar keys)... the Lindens would be the only ones to have the key, absolutely no way for ResMod X to discern who it came from. Anonymity and fear of repercussion taken care of in one step.


Gorsh, I'm having some pretty darn good ideas today. *snerk*

I find this logic to be flawed. A post is a violation or it's not. 1 AR vs. a 1000 AR shouldn't change the fundamental reality of what was actually posted or how it relates to the TOS/CS.

If interpretation is required, get it from Jeska. If you really want it from residents, then allow ALL residents to vote anonymously.

Just to clarify, all of the Admins of this Forums (including myself, Robin, Pathfinder, and others) get copies of all of the Reported Posts, along with the ResMods. Also, you may always send an email directly to myself or any other member of the Community Team if you have a concern. Reporting a post has and will continue to mean that someone believes the post needs attention and/or has violated the Forum Guidelines/Community Standards.

During the early stage of this project, we would love as much feedback as possible, please remember that the general philosophy of Second Life as a user-created world and send any suggestions you have on how to better incorporate that philosophy here in the Forums.

Very valid point.

Also it kinda blows out the arse the whole thing on AR's in world where they won't even tell you what YOU were AR'ed for .. its all very hush hush.. no details..

but eh I'm on the cusp of saying 'fuck this for a game of silly buggers' and pissing off to SLUniverse... its not like anything past the announcements, script library, and new products is even remotely productive to tell the truth...

To seeing your ..? Nm.

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It strikes me as a huge gap between 'user-created' and 'user ran' I pay my fees and teir to LL hence I trust LL. It seems to me that if LL gives control of anything, be it forums or inworld over to some users its going to create many more problems than it could ever solve amd also decays trust I have now in LL. It simply boils down to trust for me.

Shouldn't mods be taking each report and reviewing the post or thread in question anyway, rather than basing their decision to act on who is sending the reports, or how many?

If 1 person reports something that doesn't break the ToS/CS, it still won't break the ToS/CS if 10 people report it. Or do mods actually rely on mob rule to decide what should be acted on?

I have reason to believe they often have done that very thing - if enough people are making a fuss about something, it must be bad. My own warning is one such example of this. I didn't have sense enough at the time to go back and S.P.E.L.L. out exactly what I meant (which should have been obvious to everyone), but doubtless it was AR'd by more than one person. Once that happened, I was toast.

As far as e-mailing anyone about it is concerned, or the so-called appeals board, I would probably get more results by flushing the appeals down the toliet. At least the plumber might come to commiserate with me about it.

And Jeska, the idea of this resmod system is nothing akin to a "user-created world." It is also not quite a Linden world, either. In fact, it would appear to be the worst of both worlds.

A "user-created world" would at least consist of elections for the post of resmod. What we have here is certain residents being APPOINTED to this post, and not all of them even volunteered for the position.

What we have is simply Linden-appointed residents who now are over all the rest of us on the forums, and consequently, can affect our game as well.

I fear that ultimately the idea is to put all forum matters ENTIRELY in their hands, and then the Lindens can say, "Well don't look at us, YOU guys are doing this now."

But we aren't really. There is no relationship between the idea of a user-created world and this resmod system. Unless what is really meant is, "some users-created world, the ones we decide to let do it."

coco

I could care less if the person knows I am the one who reported them. In Second Life itself I always tell them I have reported them.

Just curious...

I always heard of this but never believed it. Are you saying that this actually happens that one or two persons blanket AR like that?

It's sooo fourth grade. (at least if you do it consistently)

My two cents is that it would be very handy to know the name of the avatar reporting the abuse, but I can see how it's an issue if the moderator is in fact another resident. Definitely a conundrum.

If the confidentiality of abuse reports is considered to have even the slightest value, why do we go through the snapshot gesture and make the shutter click sound when we file them?

Also, is there a place that says res mods will serve only two weeks? What I see doesn't say that at all.





These two quoted passages have the words "2 weeks" but neither says people will serve for two weeks and then get booted out.

As I read these, a person can hold the spot indefinitely if it suits the Linden staff members responsible for the program.

I agree with Aimee, Jonquille, and Coco. It's in my personal best interest to leave it at that.


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