CUSTOMER INPUT:: What Features Do You Want In Your Complete Parcel Security System?

Mhmm but the thing is, you _do_ give your permission, through act of entering someone's property. This is no different from granting permissions to animate your avatar, take over control over your camera and keys etc... by act of sitting on someone's prim.

Now, ideally this permission shouldn't be utilized in unreasonable manner, and instant unsitting/ejecting or worse yet teleporting 'home' someone from a get-go with no warning no good reason would be such unreasonable use imo... but the fact stays, you enter someone's property deliberately, and by doing this you grant them permission to eject you if they don't like the idea of you being there.

Not in the slightest. Think about it... how do we find people in SL? Look for green dots on the map. If there's nobody at home, why security when we can't steal anything? If there is someone at home, how pissed do you think Joe Newbie will be when he tries to say hello to 10 people only to be pushed sims away each time? Probably someone who won't bother to log in again if everyone is that rude to him.



I consider any manner unreasonable. There should be proof of intent to disrupt a player before you can remove them from your property if you do not have the ban lines up - simply being there is not proof. You can't shoot someone walking down your real street because they might decide to burgle you even though they've given no indication of an intent to.



"Permission" is something that requires me to consent to, by clicking a "yes" button. I still find it ludicrous that you have to ask permission to hug another player yet you can blast anyone two sims away for no reason without giving notice - and there seems nothing that can be done about it.

Too many people in SL have clinical paranoia about what someone "might" do when, in actual fact, there is little permanent that a griefer can do to you.

Lewis

WHat is the point of having a second life account if you are restricted to a small plot of land or a very laggy welcome center? I see more and more of the "public" places closing. There has to be a way to know where it is safe to go and where it is not. I think land tools should be used FIRST and then a security orb can be used. Does not help with flyers but it is a start. Ban lines should extend as high as security orbs are possible. Then at least one would know where not welcome. Then residents would be able to look around and know the truth. I think the ugly of these residents should be brought out into the light of day for all to see!

Still say so many "people" in second life are about as RUDE and ANTISOCIAL as it is possible to become. Wonder what they are like in real life? Do they hide behind no trespassing signs? Do they have guard dogs and high fences? What type of person comes into a social game and then does not want to be social?

Any land I own will always remain open to all.

The only people that will be banned will be those who give me a good reason to. I will never use any security system apart from the ban lines, and hopefully by being open to all people will see what SL is meant to be like rather than being banned from everywhere.

Lewis

You're now talking of possibe consequences of misuse of permission to eject you from someone's land. A related, but different matter from act of granting permission to be ejected through your own action of entering property you don't own.


Do you AR every chair that animates you when you sit on it? It didn't ask you to click the "yes" button after all.

It's the same thing. Attachments are granted permissions to do stuff to your AV when you attach them, you grant it by your decision to attach the item. Land owners are granted permission to do stuff to your AV when you enter their property, you grant it by entering it.


Push thing being included in the regular scripting permission system would be nice, i agree. I asked for pretty much this in another thread... but again, this is different issue altogether.

Once again, it's a VIRTUAL world, and what the landowner wants, the landowner gets. That's why we had ban lines to start with, and why the height limit has just been raised.

You need a serious reality check, son.

Quoted because it's worth repeating that Burke seems to be talking about a system designed to deal with explicitly banned people. If you're just passing by, if you're not being a prat, you don't have a problem.

As a general rule, I would suggest that sitting on a chair (which you have clicked to sit on) does not negatively affect your gameplay, whatever curious pose it might put you into.

Lewis

I so agree. Recently I read a post by a resident describing how they had become 'afraid' to explore because of what 'might' happen - in the same sentence they stated the sim they were in was empty... I think they even said they ended up logging off. They sounded almost crippled by fear.

Fear? That's taking it just a bit far, especially just over what 'might' happen. Major annoyance yes, but in a world where you can't come into any actual harm, when you can teleport away, or even just hit quit if you have to, what on earth is there to fear?

And in this case, clicking and selecting 'sit' is the explicit permission. I don't think the act of crossing a parcel boundary is anywhere near 'permission'.

Right. Automated security systems that don't give people time, or only warn agents with a 'whisper', are a fucking MENACE and need to be banned permanently. This system is intended to protect people that are actually there at the time. If you don't want people fucking with your land, there's a tool called AUTORETURN you can use.

Can we add some truelly obnoxious countermeasures to it, like the ban-ee comes onto the parcel and it rez's about 50 small non phyisical rabid chipmunks that trap him and chew on him while pushing upwards into the stratosphere?

Strangely enough this would amuse me and make me buy the system o.O

Or you know.. a flying cow whacking em accross the parcel would be funny too.

I am saying that the ban line need to be used and not just a security orb that gives the illision of a nice peaceful place.

My reality is just fine and I am a GIRL!

On this Burke, is there a way within LSL where you can return a banned person's objects automatically or in a shorter time-frame? (I have no idea if this is a silly question, I know nothing about scripting). I ask because there are some situations where generally, you might want a nice long autoreturn time (a privately owned sandbox for example), and on my land, I can't set autoreturn because my partner has a lot of objects on my land (until we get the new group tools and two person groups). If so, this would be useful.

Sorry, I'll stick with one who can USE LAND TOOLS on anyone GOING INTO MY LAND (its not greifing, get it straight) over one that selectively bans anyday.

Just make an alt, that's what everyone else does.

I wonder how many SL accounts Mr M Mouse has now?

Lewis

Unless I can actually 'whitelist' ban everyone around my skybox, then forget it, useless. And no, I won't build at ground level. If I wanted to do that I'd play TSO.

People who lock their doors to keep everyone out of their lots are treated with contempt in TSO, and are generally indicative of people cheating.

If you have nothing to hide, then you don't need security. If you have something to hide, it's fairly likely you shouldn't be doing it.

Lewis

Oh I know I could, and easier than ever. Actually I did try once, but I just found it too wierd being someone else, even for an instant, and bailed on it. I yam who I yam. Soon there will be no need... but mostly I had in mind a specific situation I know of where autoreturn is non-practical (at the least, any brief period), and suffers a lot of griefing, and very often, object-based.

*cue thunderous applause from voyeurs all across SL

Sadly, not yet. There a potentially obvious reasons this isn't done (ie, gag gift that wipes an owner's land), but there's not direct way to do it.

Oh yes. You don't want anyone to see your Metrogorean Sex Slave Dungeon and French Bakery you have hidden at 700m. It's understandable.

I get an 'icky' feeling when I even suspect someone was on my land, univited. I also place little to no value in what others assume. Its their loss. I have security to enhance MY state of mind. Its my land, deal with it.

I wouldn't share pastries either.