Underage People On Main Grid

Today, ive decided to start reporting underage people on the main grid.

I was being griefed today by a 13 year old clone trooper, which i had reported.

I am greatly irritated with this underage crap, tighter reins must be implied to keep these people OUT OF THE MAIN GRID.

Anyone agree or disagree with this?

PS: Another one of my topics with a similar topic. /108/a6/117589/1.html#post1120298

How do you know they are underage? Surely they aren't silly enough to tell you?

Just wondering, considering the level of assumptions going on in these forums these days and the willingness to leap to the erroneous comclusion that age and maturity are somehow linked.

If they are indeed underage and you know this for a fact rather than an assumption, I would certainly hope that you do report them through AR and Live help.

Well seeing since age requirements aren't a big deal anymore, I don't see the point in reporting abusers either.

So, if you want to waste your time doing such things as ARing, then you have more time on your hands than I do.

Believe it or not they sometimes just blurt it out. Some even boast that they are underaged, and some state their ages as matter of fact.

The age requirement still stands as it always has. The ToS still states you must be 18 to play on the main grid. Anyone under 18 lying to get on the main grid is still breaking the ToS and can be removed (and should be removed) the same as prior to the registration changes.

The system and the age requirements have not been changed. Anyone 13-17 is still required to be on the Teen grid and the system still puts them there...assuming the follow the rules and submit their true age.

LL dropped verification...not the requirement.

Yeah? NEWS FLASH. A teen as soon as kicked, can just come back as another. As far as I'm concerned, I've sit and stared many many times watching this happen WITH a Linden present. I don't know about you, but to me, this requirement is foolish. 18+ or not, they'll still come on. Regardless of what you do. So, in my opinion, the TOS is null and void. In regards to this. You really honestly think the requirement and verification is not the same thing? Nice, same meaning, different word.

You are rather uninformed on the recent changes it would seem. If they are banned now, under the new hardware profiling system...they will remain banned on any alt they may make so long as they use that computer. Its a hardware ban, not an account ban now.

As I understand it, the only thing they can do to ban a computer is to ban the IP address, and thats not hard to change.

Nope. Seems that they make a hash from the hardware profile of the machine itself. A banned machine cannot come back in, no matter which IP it is using.

Wow, never knew that. Are there any posts/threads on the subject? Please direct me to them if anyone knows of any .

Incorrect. The client now takes a sampling of your hardware devices and makes a unique identifying number for your computer. If that number is banned, no one can access SL again from that computer on any account or name. They are banning the hardware setup itself based on a unique made from the serial numbers of your devices.

Unless you spoof or don't send a hardware ID then open game again.

There are not too many people who would be able to figure out how to do that, though. Changing IPs is easy - just log in again if you are a DSL user, or use a proxy server. Spoofing your hardware profile is difficult.

Actually if you can create a basic proxy to sit between the client and SL it's as simple as changing or removing a plain text line in the login. A proxy that basic is probably a 10-15 minute job if that for anyone with basic programming skills.

I took the screenshot of him admiting it in the chat history window, sent it into an AR.

Well, the hardware profile hash is at least keeping a good chunk of the banned people banned, I imagine. I am a bit of a computer geek myself, and haven't the foggiest idea how to get around it. Then again, I am not a programmer.

Sure, there will be people who can bypass it - but it's going to be a small percentage.

I'm not sure, these may be some....

/139/d2/115958/1.html

/108/18/114062/1.html

/108/ce/113467/1.html

Looks like LL has been using it for awhile already.

Yes they have, this is a bit more of a defined system however.

Thats nice, today i seen someone admit to being 15 and on main grid, in front of a linden and a live helper, congrats to linden lab, way to be lazy.

I just reported a 15 year old girl (admitted) who plays "her dad's game". She is a real sweet girl, but she does not belong here.

They are using more specific means now, looking at stuff like motherboard serial numbers and network card MAC addresses and such.

They can ban one computer on a home network and leave the other's alone.

When are they using they using the hardware ID? Only when a problem is detected, or right when you create an account?

They have the means to control the creation of new accounts - limiting it to one account per hour on a particular machine, or a total of five per machine, for example.

They can block an individual computer, and I am pretty sure they can block the accounts that attempt to use that computer from being used anywhere.

What they can do and what they actually do are different matters.