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Time to Limit Free Accounts RE: Grid Attacks ?

remyxomatosis Carnot
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Join date: 26 Oct 2005
Posts: 12
04-30-2006 18:47
but you would only need to wait a few days for the post to arrive
Akira Boyoma
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Join date: 1 Nov 2005
Posts: 18
04-30-2006 18:50
Ah, I see. I suppose that might work to a degree. But yeah, it would be an inconvinience to both Lindens, and new customers, perhaps to a point that it would be harmful. At the same time I could see it maybe work.

Still, better then hurting Free Accounts.
Shyotl Kuhr
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Join date: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 105
04-30-2006 18:50
From: Darkness Anubis
Agreed about offline editors. But you could get one heck of a start in 30 days especially if you had some experience in coding in similar setups.

Yes, but the offline editors wouldnt benefit people that already understand the syntax, or have came from a language similar in structure as LSL, either. They'd require feedback from the functions. Learning even the smallest bit of the particle system would be a bear if you couldn't test anything. Same thing goes for most all features in LSL.

Syntax is really one of the most miniscule aspects of most any coding or scripting(to a lesser degree in most instances) language. Most work comes with learning the enviroment(apis, heiarchy structure, and what all these custom functions really do!.. There might even be a tangled web of convoluted macros.. among countless other things).

Sorry, straying off here.
LL needs to make tools for themselves! There, back on track. :D

Edit: Cripes you people post fast. :(
Bagel Gable
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Join date: 16 Feb 2006
Posts: 3
Bull
04-30-2006 18:57
This is bull, u are blaming us Free Accounts for crap we didnt do. look, there is no clear evidence that free accounts have done tehse attacks, it could be a premium user, that got mad at Linden Labs, and decided to pay them back. If you take out free accounts it wil lower the number of people that are coming in to SL. And most of these new people might become perm members and upgrade, so limiting free accounts will cause problems along the free accounts, and Linden Labs will loose money.

Wht i suggest liden labs do is, instead of the preview grid make it the back up grid, when the main grid goes down, turn up the back up grid, so ppl can still go on.
Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
04-30-2006 19:03
I am a content creator in SL. I script, I build, I make custom textures. I have designed and built two entire sims, and I have very satisfied customers. I am also a basic account holder, working via my very first 'free account'. If I had been unable to try SL without having to pay for it, I never would have bothered to try it. And I STILL don't have a Premium account because, frankly, there is absolutely no incentive for me to do so.

I was a programmer for DECADES before I came to SL. It would have been trivial for me to write the kind of script-kiddie crasher apps that these pathetic idiots are releasing, within hours of my starting my account, if that was what I had wanted to do. And these idiots likely don't even write the scripts themselves, but rather just get them from some website that offers them for free download.

The restrictions suggested here would only harm the 99.95% of basic account users who use SL responsibly every day. They won't begin to slow down the losers who think it's fun to crash SL and listen to us whine about not getting on-line.

Waiting period? They create the account, sit on it, and use it later.

Restrict script creation, or any content creation, to Premium accounts? It would still be trivial to have a Premium account, produce any sort of scripts I want, embed in objects or scripts created by Lindens or any other maker of modifyable objects or scripts, and then pass that off to a disposable account or had them to some unsuspecting newbie, to wreak havok. There wouldn't be a trace there of me as creator, that anyone outside of LL staff could detect. (As I understand it, the objects in this last attack said the script was created by a Linden...)

The only viable solution is to go after these crashers when they act, and prosecute them wherever possible, to the extent the laws in their home country allows. At the very least, trace them down via asset server records, which will still show the individuals between the initial object creator and the one who triggers it, and turn them over to their ISP to lose their Internet access account.
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remyxomatosis Carnot
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Join date: 26 Oct 2005
Posts: 12
04-30-2006 19:04
From: Bagel Gable
This is bull, u are blaming us Free Accounts for crap we didnt do. look, there is no clear evidence that free accounts have done tehse attacks, it could be a premium user, that got mad at Linden Labs, and decided to pay them back. If you take out free accounts it wil lower the number of people that are coming in to SL. And most of these new people might become perm members and upgrade, so limiting free accounts will cause problems along the free accounts, and Linden Labs will loose money.

Wht i suggest liden labs do is, instead of the preview grid make it the back up grid, when the main grid goes down, turn up the back up grid, so ppl can still go on.

believe me most premium account holders do not want to see free accounts go,i believe sl should be open for everyone to use and no one should be blaming free account holders for whats happened i think people are suggesting that whoever brought the grid down might have took advantage of a free account but dont think anyone can say free accounts have been bad for sl
Myrilla Vixen
Definitely Bloo
Join date: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 143
04-30-2006 19:07
From: Lord Sullivan
Also you can use a cellphone to sign up for an account in the US therfore anyone can get a pay as u go cellfone and create accounts far to easy with no checks, surely thats a big hole that they can walk through for their attacks.



I have one of those cell phones, I tried to sign up for a free account, it doesn't work.

Charging 10 bucks, and backcharging everyone who didn't pay, for their account, is an excellent idea :D
Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
04-30-2006 19:17
From: remyxomatosis Carnot
but you would only need to wait a few days for the post to arrive
I have an idea. You don't get an account at all until you get this magic number from Linden Labs. No building, no scripting, no even walking around and talking. Why not? It's only "a few days". For a programmer, there's no difference.

All because you don't want to pay a single one time fee of $10.00 for your basic account.
Argent Stonecutter
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
04-30-2006 19:21
This is the bottom line. Restricting scripting won't stop griefers, it'll just discourage scripters.

From: Ceera Murakami
Restrict script creation, or any content creation, to Premium accounts? It would still be trivial to have a Premium account, produce any sort of scripts I want, embed in objects or scripts created by Lindens or any other maker of modifyable objects or scripts, and then pass that off to a disposable account or had them to some unsuspecting newbie, to wreak havok.
And of course you could have your script no-mod with a *little* bug in it... it's not your fault some newbie stumbled over the bug...

And I'm not sure you couldn't "wash" the script to the point that even LL staff couldn't trace it back to you, if the creator was a Linden.
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