in support of the Lindens

At first like many I was aghast at the suggested price hike, but after some consideration I see the logic behind it, even if I still think the initial figure suggested was way too much and would have a negative effect.
The opposition to the price rises formed itself into a protest and action group that I joined. After a few days I saw that many people within this group were using the platform to attack other residents: I have seen terrible insults thrown at residents who are using openspaces for more than a few trees etc, and then this grew into an assault on the freeplaying residents who were described as "freeloaders" and "parasites". This attitude of intolerance disgusted me, and it is depressing to see how something that should be a single issue movement aimed at dialogue with LL has exposed the disharmony and mistrust within the SL "community"
I left the protest group immediately and now withdraw all support. The important thing is continuity and the recent announcements from LL, as I had predicted, have shown that they are more than willing to find the balance and make compromises where necessary. This is reassuring and is the result of intelligent discourse between residents and Lindens through the forums, which is how it should be.
So whatever, if I can't afford it I will move on, no regrets, if it improves what is already great then it may be worth finding ways to make up the shortfall...
The bottom line is regardless of money, myself and the many likeminded people I associate with will always support the cause that has intelligence and awareness, and consideration of all the differences between us over a movement that has personal grievance at it's core, nestling in the embers of bigotry and intolerance...

Really!!!!!!! I mean your emotions have nothing to do with facts. This is paramount to downright ignorance! there are people here, like myself, who have lost a great deal of money and whose projects are now in jeopardy. We aren't running around in groups in world. We are trying to work out how to survive and if our rights have been violated. We are the ones who feel totally deflated and who don't even feel like going in world anymore. We are the ones who realise how foolish we were to invest money and time in this whole fiasco called 'Second Life' We are the ones who used to support Linden wholeheartedly. The ones who, had they spoken to us reasonably instead of announcing and then running, would have continued to support them.

I really think that you and people like you are using SL as a means of misdirected anger and frustration due to the world's current economical crisis. She is entitled to her opinions without being personally attacked just as you and others are also. Chill out.

But in my humble opinion, praising someone for cheating me out of hard earned money......well, that just does not impress me as being too brilliant.

Each has his/her own opinion, but hon, think of this. There are those of us who do NOT have enough money to just throw it out the window. If you like Lindens policies then fine, go ahead and send them extra. But just like Obama, you want to do things with OTHER PEOPLES stuff. That is just plain wrong.

I think that we have all seen by now, the silence of valid reasons from Lindens...the idiotic non solution that they came up with, that this is nothing more than a con game. Of course if a competitor comes along, the Lindens will totally whack out SL for what it is worth then dump us. Same thing happened to Smith and Wesson............

Just let me know how much extra you sent....remember people are losing their homes and businesses in this fraud, and then I will applaud you. Perhaps if you feed the wolf enough he WILL eat you last.

First of all, people are not losing their homes. Let's keep it real. They are not losing their business either. IF their virtual business is an OS sim that they cannot continue to afford after the price increase, then they can relocate and continue their business. The same goes for their virtual residence.

I just hate hearing people say they are losing their homes.. and wonder how many of us are living in the "real" world.

I see, your tolerance goes only so far. Then people become "disillusioned" or "cranks". Well, I call it a home...for want of a better term. But let me regroup, let me call it something I bought, and use, and now it is gone.....in an unethical swindle. Two places where I was realizing monitary gain (let's not call them businesses) are gone.....in an unethical swindle. The point of the matter is, people are losing things of value and things that BRING value, in an investment confidence game worthy of the 1930's and you want to argue about sematics.

It's not gone unless you want it to and are not willing to fork out the extra 50 USD. IF you re not willing to do that, then you simply relocate as so many do anyway, simply for the merely adventure and fun of it.

Not all people can afford the extra 50 USD!! Linden sold them an OS with 3.750 prims to live on for 75 USD...and when you cannot pay that rip off price increase you do loose your home!!!

English might not be my primairy language but I do know the difference.

People loose their home, need to give up their home.

Home: the place where you feel home, save, secure.

Not mistaken with a "house" wich is the actual building.

In SL you can pack your house, but not any land can just be 'home'

Home is the sum of it all, the place, the island, your stuff, your privacy.

If someone has an open space that they call home, can't affort to pay for it no more, and need to move to maybe a quarter of an private estate, that doesn't feel the same, then Yes, people loose their homes.

There's also the lack of faith in LL. Many people who are leaving simply won't trust them to relocate now. Rezzable announced this morning they are closing the Cannery and The Dump for good

"We are consolidating our sims here in Second Life now in the face of the void crisis and general lack of trust in how Linden Lab treats its customers and users."

So it isn't just whether or not you can afford 50 bucks. It is about whether you want to send it to people you can't trust, and whether you trust them not to hurt you again in another couple of months. I, personally, would expect anything of them at this point.

She is entitled to her opinions without being personally attacked just as you and others are also. Chill out. *


* The phrase "Pot calling the kettle black" is an idiom, used to accuse another speaker of hypocrisy, in that the speaker disparages the subject for a fault or negative behavior that could equally be applied to him or her.

Right, now you and everyone else are forgetting the inital investment in buying the land. This bought a server for LL, now do I get the server or my money back? No,

Don't fall for the LL shell game. This was the entire purpose of this exersize, you are out your inital investment, period.

What the hell.......a fool and his money are soon parted, and reading this I see LL has a lot of fertile soil in which to work

I firmly believe that this whole issue for a lot of people including myself and my husband is more about the principal of the matter. We purchased an OSS because of the attractive current tier pricing and now LL is reneging on that deal. We do not abuse our allotted prim useage and we are the only two avatars on the land at all times. We spent a lot of real world dollars in purchasing and making our new sim into what it is today. I'm sure your response to this is going to be... well just move on.. give up the sim, downsize... get over it! This monthly increase isn't going to just impact the sim owner/renter, it's going to have a detrimental ripple effect right through Second Life. You really need to step back and start thinking outside the box... furthermore Linden Labs needs to do the same thing!

"people like me" being??? oh yes, people who has just lost a great deal of money here in Second Life! Indeed, anger and frustration are very high on my list right now. I worked for six months here to make something unique and something that others want to visit. For no financial gain, I hasten to add. In fact the opposite.

QFT

Use your anger to fight the real enemy to make a positive change, not to attack your fellow residents.

Are you running for some office? Or, just simply offering un-solicited advice/opinion to everyone?

Yes sure, I'm running for vice president of the USA and my REAL name is Marilyn Monroe.

I bet Marilyn would have kick out all those people from her group too.

I'm sure she would have. Just about anyone would have and furthermore that has nothing to do with the subject .. that is unless you want me to sing "happy birthday mr president"

No...please dont sing .... i have herd you .... not great

To the OP ... sorry ... im getting more confused by the day here .

Your saying you did not like the price hike ... joined a group ... never liked the group ( im with you on that one btw ) so left ... but now your mind has changed and you think " Ok if it works out for the good ... all good " ...?

Im not attacking your opinion .... i just fail to see what your opinion is ... and i kind of wonder if the opinion you have now might change in 15 minz from now ?

Vryl clearly trivializes the issue about virtual "homes" and doesn't stop to consider what people really mean is that they will loose something akin to a real-life home. All our real-life homes are places we put our hearts into, of family and friends and above all, happy times so when someone speaks of their virtual 'home' they are evoking the same sentiments. They came to second life and made something, a work of love and something they are proud of. Some made business' and had a little success. Everyone made friends.

So, for someone to loose their virtual home can hurt but, yes, they are not in the street as far as real life is concerned. But to miss the point of what people really mean and put them down is cruel. Some of the people loosing are disabled or on low incomes and Second Life has given them pleasure and, for some, escape from the harsh realities of their daily lives.

I can feel their loss and hurt and completely understand what they mean when they say they will loose their virtual home.

Vryl, it just takes a little thought before you put others down even if you didn't mean to do that.

Talla, I understand what people mean. However, in all due seriousness, We have only had these new OS double prims for 6 months. Yes we can become attached no doubt. I know how much it can mean to us all and how we can rely on them and even need them for purposes of escape and so on. At teh same time, I don't think we should put that kind of guilt trip on Linden Lab. Yes maybe it does come off sounding harsh when it was not intended to, because I actually do care.

You are an fantastic human being Vryl. You know better then me how i do, how my business is doing after the change and everything. I salute you for seeing all this....

Or maybe YOU should stop telling other if they will loose or not. What the hell do you know about that? What do you know about how much myself and other loose?
Some people wanted to live on a openarea, they don't want to live on a regular sim. And for some, that don't include you of course, maybe those extra dollars in something.

You play your game and you try to look so good, but you look down on everyone that dont seem to agree with you. But i said it in another post, can't you send me the extra dollars for my 9 openareas and i can keep them. After all, you can afford it cant you?

Post like this further rip the fabric of the community. You do nothing to help make a community effort work - you allow the detractors (by becoming one yourself) to persuade you to abandon a group you initially felt compelled to join and support. And by posting this very negative thread you put yet another nail in the coffin of Community.

Removing yourself from the group is a personal decision. And it should remain that way. Any movement has weak members who are easily swayed. No corporation ever changed its collective mind by having its customers ask 'please' nicely. If it weren't for the outrage from the CopyBot Activists we would have seen the end of profiting off content creation in SL. If it is too hot in the kitchen for you just step outside. Don't assist in bringing down a grass-roots movement that, if successfull, will make LL realize that the price hike they have imposed just will not work for the community. The people that have used this movement to grind personal axes can easily be ignored by the people that are seriously working toward a solution to this community issue.

So-called "copybot" type theft (some of which does not require use of any tool other than the SL viewer) is still as rampant today as it ever was.

LL saying it is a no no had zero effect on those who would willingly steal for the purpose of reselling.

The most recent documented episode I have seen can be reviewed here: http://shoppingcartdisco.com/?p=712 The comments are worth a read for ripper affiliations.

So yes there was an uproar about copybot. I still remember the blatant copybotter standing next to rosedale on the stage at that big meeting. The one that proceeded to copybot Rosedale's avatar.