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So you are just going to wait this out, Lindens?

Gordon Wendt
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11-20-2008 09:18
Sorry I don't speak Dutch but if I ever learn it I'll track you down for a conversation in it. My original intent wasn't to hijack the thread other than a single post to say essentially "look, I understand your frustrated but this isn't the place" and beyond that I for the most part I've only been responding to direct responses to me or questions that are sent at me or in general that I feel have something to add in answering and that's what I've been trying to do in all these threads I've responded to.

From: Benski Trenkins
@ Dip: best post in this subforum so far.

As for Gordon: I do understand your frustrations since the topic comes up in all subforums and not only this one. But is hijacking this topic here the right way to express your discomfort? Basicly by doing so you have entered the "can't beat them, so join them" group.

Also something for everyone to consider, and I say this since I am one of them:

A huge amount of the Residents don't speak english as their native language. But still they feel a need to express their thoughts about this subject. Respect for those that dare to comment in posts like this. Honestly, as well written as this one is, I would never be capable to do that, at least, not in english. Lost of foreigners posting with a restricted vocabulairy means that a lot of posts might come across as whining or as saying the same.

But it feels so damn good to sometimes write it off.

If people however find my english inadequate and not up to standard to post here, let me know and I will be happy to continue replying in Dutch ;)
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Spacexcape Bridges
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11-20-2008 09:24
From: **
I can see the headlines now:

Protest in front of Linden Research Inc.'s headquarters by disgruntled customers fizzles out when employees ignore them. Protestors retreat back into parents' basements to bitch and moan about how protests were ignored.


I am a 50 year old artist who came to Second Life with a very serious purpose and a commitment to working with Linden in bringing them a project that was truly innovative and would have grown and grown. I am out of pocket in the region of $10,000 ... so why don't you wipe your snotty little nose ** kiddo and trundle back to Linden Laps?

PLONK!
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Gordon Wendt
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11-20-2008 09:32
From: Katheryne Helendale
Perhaps so; but in a forum labeled "Openspace Announcement Discussion", what sort of threads do you think you'll find?

For someone trying to avoid the topic, you sure pick a strange place to do it.

If you encounter OS-discussion posts that are truly not germane to the thread's topic in other areas of the forum, simply use the "Report Post" button and let the moderators do their job.


Actually I didn't notice what forum it was in when I posted my original post since I was using the new posts button so at least it's in the right place but look at the listing of threads just in the OS Announcement Discussion section and you'll see that 99% of them are exactly the same thing over and over and over again. Granted there isn't an official thread anymore but even back when there was one some people just refuse to join in to an existing discussion or discuss things in their proper place because they need to be noticed, because THEY need the attention so they post their own thread and it piles up and piles up.
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Ciaran Laval
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11-20-2008 10:20
From: Gordon Wendt
Granted there isn't an official thread anymore but even back when there was one some people just refuse to join in to an existing discussion or discuss things in their proper place because they need to be noticed, because THEY need the attention so they post their own thread and it piles up and piles up.


Gordon you're a clever guy, you're also involved in the Jira. This is how people are, they won't search through pages of existing threads to see if their point has been made, they make their own posts. The same as people won't trawl through the Jira, they'll post a new Jira issue instead.

Sometimes it's attention seeking and sometimes it's just because someone feels their point will have more oomph if they start a new thread, but mostly it's because trawling through the existing content takes too long. That I'm afraid, is human nature.
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11-20-2008 11:02
Strangely of course human nature is also the root of greed which is by most reckoning what started all of this :) I agree though that it's human nature for people to take the easy route and just start a new thread. Another issue of course is that Katt hasn't been managing things to merge threads as needed, lock threads as needed, and deal with at least several incidences I've seen of the same person opening many threads at the same or close to the same time on essentially the same thing.

From: Ciaran Laval
Gordon you're a clever guy, you're also involved in the Jira. This is how people are, they won't search through pages of existing threads to see if their point has been made, they make their own posts. The same as people won't trawl through the Jira, they'll post a new Jira issue instead.

Sometimes it's attention seeking and sometimes it's just because someone feels their point will have more oomph if they start a new thread, but mostly it's because trawling through the existing content takes too long. That I'm afraid, is human nature.
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11-20-2008 11:46
From: Gordon Wendt
Strangely of course human nature is also the root of greed which is by most reckoning what started all of this :) I agree though that it's human nature for people to take the easy route and just start a new thread. Another issue of course is that Katt hasn't been managing things to merge threads as needed, lock threads as needed, and deal with at least several incidences I've seen of the same person opening many threads at the same or close to the same time on essentially the same thing.



Is it the easy route to start a new thread? How so? Its actually more difficult to start a new thread.. you have to add a catchy title too.....


That's beside the point.

You bitching (off topic bitching might i add) about people bitching (ON TOPIC) about the very topic that the forum was made for seems rather silly to me. You are no more forced to read them then LL and they can ignore them just fine.

Reguardless if the topic or the points already been stated by 10000000000000 other people, people will bitch its what people do, they have a right to they are being taken advantage of and nothing they can do about it but bitch.

People bitching about the rate hike clearly have the right away since that whats the forums about. I don't see a forum named Discussion about people complaining about openspace announcments. If i find that one i'll be sure to not read it LOL.
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11-20-2008 12:37
From: Gordon Wendt
Strangely of course human nature is also the root of greed which is by most reckoning what started all of this :)


Human nature is the root of all evil ;)

From: Gordon Wendt
Another issue of course is that Katt hasn't been managing things to merge threads as needed, lock threads as needed, and deal with at least several incidences I've seen of the same person opening many threads at the same or close to the same time on essentially the same thing.


That's a very good point, I'm not sure if that is Katt's role but I've used other forums where what you describe happens, merged threads, locked threads, people getting told to stop creating the same new thread under a different title. I do like a more stand offish approach but that doesn't always work and Katt gets frowned out when she intervenes, but I'm sure that is part of her job!
Katt Linden
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11-20-2008 13:41
Hey Folks,

I'd appreciate it if you would not attack others by name (or otherwise) in the Forums.

Also, I've removed some "investment" ads which do not belong in the Forums.

Thanks,
-- Katt
Liza Nykvist
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The main point ...
11-20-2008 14:57
This thread looses some of its edge when you start to fight each other inside it.

Dips main point is that LL will maybe not have such an easy game, when they have another Virtual World opening across the street. And that it then will be payback time, for the arrogance shown us.

Then, it will maybe not be so easy to gain the millions of Dollars of big corporations coming into SL outpricing us small fellows.

Then it might be to late ... alrger corporations than SL has done mistakes like this before.

Thank you Dip for you post, time will show that you will be right.
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11-20-2008 18:48
From: Katt Linden
Hey Folks,

I'd appreciate it if you would not attack others by name (or otherwise) in the Forums.

Also, I've removed some "investment" ads which do not belong in the Forums.

Thanks,
-- Katt


Katt thanks for reining in the personal attacks that were being made but replacing my name with ** in a blockquote of a post I made doesn't really have any point when the original post stands unaltered on the previous page.

On the "investment ads" I can see how they can be interpreted as advertising even though that wasn't the intention as can be seen by the context of that post as well as the previous and later posts on the topic but I don't particularly care enough to make an issue of it since I don't support it anyway and people who want to support it will probably find out in other ways.
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Josselin Looming
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11-20-2008 18:56
From: Gordon Wendt
Katt thanks for reining in the personal attacks that were being made but replacing my name with ** in a blockquote of a post I made doesn't really have any point when the original post stands unaltered on the previous page.

On the "investment ads" I can see how they can be interpreted as advertising even though that wasn't the intention as can be seen by the context of that post as well as the previous and later posts on the topic but I don't particularly care enough to make an issue of it since I don't support it anyway and people who want to support it will probably find out in other ways.


*without words*
reddog2 Dirval
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plz help me
11-21-2008 08:02
i am trying to get more L $$$ and every ware you go there some one been there for days can you do some theing about it plz i ask Jack Linder and hes been online but i try to talk to hem and he do not talk back can you help everyone out plz reddog2 Derval????
Ajuba Korobase
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11-21-2008 11:28
back to topic!

Dear Lindens how long we will have to wait?

Have you allrady markt us as lost value?
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11-21-2008 11:41
From: Ajuba Korobase
back to topic!

Dear Lindens how long we will have to wait?

Have you allrady markt us as lost value?


since day 1
Puck Rickenbacker
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11-21-2008 14:56
^^ That.

It's a done deal, folks. As far as Linden Labs is concerned, we are just pesky chatter that will fade away. They don't give a rats behind about us, what we helped create, what is important to us, or what we can afford to pay, or what's right.

It will happen, just the way they want it to, and there's not a thing we can do but take it up the, erm, take it or leave it.
sable Valentine
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11-21-2008 15:52
Seriously, I have already moved on. Yes, like others I was very upset and saw the compromises LL offered. But, I'm not one to idle away. I kept my OS until contingency plans were fostered. My husband and I will be moving on the 1st. If they do offer OS directly to premium members, then my husband and I may entertain getting the basic OS and that still it depends on the cost. Who's to say in 6 months they won't go up what $80 - 90 usd.
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11-22-2008 17:48
As i did say before the only thing to change somting is real world action like a protest at the Linden Lab HQ. But not only once but till thex do somting. For this will get the intrest of Companys investing into SL.
Josselin Looming
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12-01-2008 21:46
Hello Lindens we still wait for an awnser!
Gordon Wendt
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12-01-2008 21:50
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Hello Lindens we still wait for an awnser!


wow, resorting to necroposting now?
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12-02-2008 00:16
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I am a 50 year old artist who came to Second Life with a very serious purpose and a commitment to working with Linden in bringing them a project that was truly innovative and would have grown and grown. I am out of pocket in the region of $10,000 ... so why don't you wipe your snotty little nose ** kiddo and trundle back to Linden Laps?

PLONK!


OH cute - she is reading me!
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Openspace was not fair to those who paid up to $1600 per sim
12-02-2008 15:14
The trends have come and gone, people get their weevils in a bunch and storm off, but the truth about open sims is: they are not fair to the older players who have paid up to $1600 for a sim. The money-scammers have profiteered off open-spacers just like they manage to do off everything else they can. Open space sims should have never been created. It is diluting the quality of sims in SL
Bella Posaner
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12-02-2008 15:35
Well I for one am over it, it hasn't effected me, I was lucky enough to share the last of 13sims with my landlady, I am the only resident in Azzurra who will be staying.

I am keeping a vigilant on other grids, when they progress LL will feel the effects.

I suggest those who are clever and create content, persevere with other grids, get some shops going, have some content to sell, if I could only buy skin and hair over there I'd spend some time there.

And so what if this another thread about OS..............I don't read anywhere there's some kind of limit on how many threads one can create on a certain subject. There should be rules about people bitching just for the sake it FFS
Josselin Looming
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12-04-2008 01:00
From: Alicia Cameron
The trends have come and gone, people get their weevils in a bunch and storm off, but the truth about open sims is: they are not fair to the older players who have paid up to $1600 for a sim. The money-scammers have profiteered off open-spacers just like they manage to do off everything else they can. Open space sims should have never been created. It is diluting the quality of sims in SL



Sorry what is not fair wen o pay 1/4 of the price if you use 1/4 of the recourses.
There were places affordable to users with a normal income. All Linden Lab should have change is to make them non comertial.
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