Guess the Next New Land Product
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Lat Lovenkraft
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03-20-2009 15:37
Ok I heard the rumor of LL releasing a new land product and I am game to help fan the flames. I'd like to hear your guess as to what it will be? Here is mine:
A new land product 65,565 sqm, 7,500 prims, Estate Privileges, maximum of 30 avatars, and script limits. It will be called The Entrepeneur designed for heavier use than a homestead but lighter use than a Private Estate. They will waive the requirement that you must own a Private Estate but would probably require at least a Premium account, maybe introduce a new monthly membership plan costing $15 or $20 a month.
The setup fee would be.....hmmm...$495. The monthly tier would be $215.
I will pay person with closest guess 1,000 L.
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Ciaran Laval
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03-20-2009 17:01
You want me to guess the pricing of a company who got it so wrong on Openspaces that they shafted a large portion of their paying customers? Behave.
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Lias Leandros
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03-20-2009 17:28
pffft.
Open a $100 USD set-up cost Island on 'that other server'. Only pay $100 USD a month to maintain it. Get more than 65,000 prims and 100 avatar limit. Buy a 512 in SL where there is traffic. Make it a marketing office for your cheap island and add a slurl board.
Now that's an Entrepeneur.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Equinox Pinion
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03-21-2009 02:35
From: Ciaran Laval You want me to guess the pricing of a company who got it so wrong on Openspaces that they shafted a large portion of their paying customers? Behave. Couldnt agree more with you!!
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Kalderi Tomsen
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03-21-2009 07:06
They're going to need some sort of "super sim" for the Adult continent anyway - especially for scripts and number of avatars, and why not prim counts - so why not develop it and market it? I could imagine that some companies would be quite interested in having a SuperSim to play around in.
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Ovaltine Constantine
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03-21-2009 16:06
Super-Void Sim!
0 Prim Limit 0 Script Limit 5 Avatar limit No Terraforming...no land for that matter, only water.
Price: $50 a month Purpose: Get rid of that "invisible wall" where you fly toward the edge of the sim and you can still see water but you can't go anywhere.
Minimum order: As many as it takes to connect your sim to the nearest mainland sim.
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DJ Flamand
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03-22-2009 05:34
From: Ciaran Laval You want me to guess the pricing of a company who got it so wrong on Openspaces that they shafted a large portion of their paying customers? Behave. Agree with that. Whatever the price will be, I am not interested any more. Being shafted once by this company is more then enough. Their arrogancy towards paying customers makes them untrustworthy.
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Yoki Enoch
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03-23-2009 06:58
From: Lat Lovenkraft Ok I heard the rumor of LL releasing a new land product and I am game to help fan the flames. I'd like to hear your guess as to what it will be? Here is mine: A new land product 65,565 sqm, 7,500 prims, Estate Privileges, maximum of 30 avatars, and script limits. It will be called The Entrepeneur designed for heavier use than a homestead but lighter use than a Private Estate. They will waive the requirement that you must own a Private Estate but would probably require at least a Premium account, maybe introduce a new monthly membership plan costing $15 or $20 a month. The setup fee would be.....hmmm...$495. The monthly tier would be $215. I will pay person with closest guess 1,000 L. Linden Lab actually had a great new land product launched last year. It was a revised version of the Open Space sim: $250.00 set up charge, $75.00 monthly tier, 65536 sqm, 3750 prims. After it was launched, this product sold like hot cakes. Sim owners loved it and residents just couldn't get enough of it. It was the most successful new product that LL had ever launched, and in just a few months, over 8,000 units of this product sold and increased the overall land area of SL by a huge percentage. Then in November, for whatever the reason(s) may have been, Linden Lab took action to destroy this product. And LL was very successful in doing this too. Now the land area of SL is still declining even after 4 months. Let us not knock how successful LL can be when finding a product that everyone loves, and then absolutely destroying it.
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Shockwave Yareach
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03-23-2009 08:04
Yes Yoki. The logic of LL is... not very logical.
They had a lot of empty servers that weren't being used, but they were still contractually obligated to pay for. Naturally they wanted money from them, so they created the voidsim product.
Rather than just saying "While Supplies Last", they sold all their existant stock and then had to buy more. Ordinarily LL wouldn't mind anything that expands the grid and brings in more monthly tier. But in this case, they decided that these purchases were coming at the expense of the mainland, which people were leaving for a variety of reasons. Mainland servers cannot be switched off like an island estate - the mainland must be running and contiguous whether people own land in it or not.
So to drive people back to mainland, they destroyed their voidsim product. What I wonder now is, how many of those who lost their investments went to the mainland and bought land there? Did it work or did it not work? Me, looking at the sea of Yellow on mainland, I don't believe it worked very well if at all. And now in addition to having another sea of servers not running that they have to pay for, they have fewer customers than they did 6 months ago. While the current economy has something to do with it, the dominant factor is that people who shell out 1000s of dollars a year just to play a videogame don't like being jerked around like they are in a car dealership.
As for LL's dreams of businesses flocking to them, forget it. Business requires goals, trust, and stability of the rules and the economy. LL has all but Four of these...
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Yoki Enoch
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03-23-2009 08:44
From: Shockwave Yareach Yes Yoki. The logic of LL is... not very logical. They had a lot of empty servers that weren't being used, but they were still contractually obligated to pay for. Naturally they wanted money from them, so they created the voidsim product. Rather than just saying "While Supplies Last", they sold all their existant stock and then had to buy more. Ordinarily LL wouldn't mind anything that expands the grid and brings in more monthly tier. But in this case, they decided that these purchases were coming at the expense of the mainland, which people were leaving for a variety of reasons. Mainland servers cannot be switched off like an island estate - the mainland must be running and contiguous whether people own land in it or not. So to drive people back to mainland, they destroyed their voidsim product. What I wonder now is, how many of those who lost their investments went to the mainland and bought land there? Did it work or did it not work? Me, looking at the sea of Yellow on mainland, I don't believe it worked very well if at all. And now in addition to having another sea of servers not running that they have to pay for, they have fewer customers than they did 6 months ago. While the current economy has something to do with it, the dominant factor is that people who shell out 1000s of dollars a year just to play a videogame don't like being jerked around like they are in a car dealership. As for LL's dreams of businesses flocking to them, forget it. Business requires goals, trust, and stability of the rules and the economy. LL has all but Four of these... I think your analysis has a lot of merit. I have blogged lately about this very thing, that is, LL wanting people to return to the Mainland. It just won't work, even with LL's deceptive marketing of always saying, in its website, that if you want to "get land" you must have a premium account. After all, why would people want to pay 5 times as much for ugly Mainland land? It is hard to believe that LL can be so clueless about it's own virtual world... but I bet the executives will get their bonuses this year.
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Starfire Desade
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03-23-2009 09:30
The sea of yellow doesn't hurt LL... that is because the yellow is land owned by someone paying tier on it (even though they are trying to sell it). The best indication of hurt would be a sea of purple that isn't being bid on.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2009 10:15
From: Lias Leandros Open a $100 USD set-up cost Island on 'that other server'. Only pay $100 USD a month to maintain it. Get more than 65,000 prims and 100 avatar limit. Buy a 512 in SL where there is traffic. Make it a marketing office for your cheap island and add a slurl board. Watch people show up, discover they're back to Ruth, their inventory keeps going missing, and they can't walk on a prim platform, and return to SL.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-23-2009 10:19
From: Starfire Desade The sea of yellow doesn't hurt LL... that is because the yellow is land owned by someone paying tier on it (even though they are trying to sell it). The best indication of hurt would be a sea of purple that isn't being bid on. Which also makes the "people abandoning mainland" argument for why they were dumping OpenSpaces moot, yes no? I'm inclined to believe that they really did discover that they were losing money on the deal. Which many people predicted.
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Zlad Voom
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new product
03-23-2009 22:38
there will be not a new product but a new price  full prim sims are 350 a month from tomorrow on and in August it will change again to 380. Tier for mainland will change to 95 per Sim.
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Lucinda Bulloch
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you still havent got it
03-24-2009 01:10
When are you all going to wake up, this is one huge pyramid selling scam, and your all motivated by greed and blinded by it, in most country's this is outlawed to protect those blinded by greed, and one day this will be to. WAKE UP YOU SAD GREEDY PEOPLE
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Tegg Bode
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03-24-2009 02:08
Super Sims! 1024x1024 in size, same price, prims etc as 4 sims but have less boundry problems and can better shuffle prims around.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-24-2009 02:26
OK, I love guessing games so I'll play.
LL won't release 1024x1024 sims it would be technically challenging to make sims in different sizes.
They did say though that they were considering sims with more capacity. So I say, 65536qm, 25000 prims, 150 avatar limit, $595 per month, $2000 to buy.
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-24-2009 04:33
I predict the "new land product" is the adult continent. I mean really, they burned their fingers with OpenSpaces, why are they going to do it again?
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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03-24-2009 04:37
From: Argent Stonecutter I predict the "new land product" is the adult continent. I mean really, they burned their fingers with OpenSpaces, why are they going to do it again? Oh agreed. I think there'll be something fancy about the new continent to encourage people to move there. Double prims maybe or some pretty infrastructure, something like that. Not gonna lie, I'm salivating over the land flipping possibilities!
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Lindal Kidd
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03-24-2009 09:06
Land on the Adult Continent of Ursula. Full prim sims, sold at auction to the highest bidder.
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ToughLove Pixelmaid
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03-24-2009 17:03
From: Lias Leandros pffft.
Open a $100 USD set-up cost Island on 'that other server'. Only pay $100 USD a month to maintain it. Get more than 65,000 prims and 100 avatar limit. Buy a 512 in SL where there is traffic. Make it a marketing office for your cheap island and add a slurl board.
Now that's an Entrepeneur.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
. Read what happened to Elf Clan and many others "over there" and you may have a different opinion.
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Chipley Chippewa
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The SLPPIF product
03-26-2009 11:48
SL Toxic Asset Bailout Plan – This new product will be a full sim worth of land, except the parcels that make up the sim are broken up and located in different sims. You actually don’t know where the individual parcels are located, how big they are, or if there are currently tenants on the land. These properties will be bundled together and sold to private investors. How exactly will the plan work? The centerpiece of the product is the creation of the Second Life Public-Private Investment Funds. Those SLPPIFs will then purchase commercial, private and public land (as well as open spaces) that are no longer generating revenue for SL. Private investors will actually manage the land and direct the bidding for the selling of land, but they will also have access to Linden-backed money and financing. LL will also promise to cover a significant portion of the potential losses that investors could face. Should a land asset investment prove worthless, the private investor may lose only their cash down payment. How much will this plan cost SL premium account holders? LL will immediately contribute 75% of the amount needed for any private investor to buy the SLPPIF by raising premium account holder’s monthly premiums by 25%. That money, which can be tapped without premium account holder approval, will go to provide the LL share of the initial equity in the SLPPIFs. LL promises to guarantee most of the financing for the toxic asset purchases. What's a specific example of how this would work? Let's say that LL finds a private investor to purchase a pool of land for $840,000L. LL would guarantee $720,000L of the financing. LL puts up $60,000L more; the private investor does the same. So they put down a comparatively small cash down payment that's backed up by the much larger LL guarantee. If the pool of land ends up being worth more than $840,000L, LL and the private investor make money. The premium account holder reaps the reward of not having their account premium raised anymore. Example taken from the U.S. Toxic Asset Bailout plan, announced on Monday. No reason why it wouldn’t work in SL as well… or is there? 
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Tabliopa Underwood
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03-26-2009 11:56
From: Tegg Bode Super Sims! 1024x1024 in size, same price, prims etc as 4 sims but have less boundry problems and can better shuffle prims around. I vote for this. Potentially 200 avatars on same sim at same time. Maybe more. Put 4 of them together and 800 at the junction. Thats a SuperSim I think some people be really keen on.
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Meade Paravane
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03-26-2009 11:59
From: Elanthius Flagstaff Oh agreed. I think there'll be something fancy about the new continent to encourage people to move there. Double prims maybe or some pretty infrastructure, something like that. Not gonna lie, I'm salivating over the land flipping possibilities! Encourage people to move there?? They're forcing people to move there.. No encouragment needed! From: Argent Stonecutter ..they burned their fingers with OpenSpaces, why are they going to do it again? Can you give me one example of where LL learned from its management mistakes?
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Ciaran Laval
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03-26-2009 18:16
From: Meade Paravane Encourage people to move there??
They're forcing people to move there.. No encouragment needed! They're building a pretty city, it will probably have naked ladies on the ceilings of the buildings, fountains and a free Ron Jeremy bot.
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