The Question of Land Cutting

Is there a track that this thread is on?

Argent is explaining how many angles can dance on the head of a pin, barring relativistic effects, and Gordon and Deltango are debating Quantum Core dynamics. Einstein would be proud.



And of course all Lindens have left the building long ago.

Not really. It's descended into inanity, insipidity, and irrelevance, just as much as the previous threads on the subject did, because that's the way Jack wants to run it. He'll just let it run its course, take what he wants from it, then let it fizzle out without so much as a whimper from him. Then, magically, the policy will emerge from the ashes of the thread, burned in sacrificial effigy at the altar of whatever dark gods govern the Tao of Linden, and it will be yet another clone of the past policies. It won't address the core problem, the parasites will continue on without significant impact to their activities, and we'll be back here again in September/October for Round #4.

Well, some of us will, anyway.

I have read where people are coming up with reasons for cutting a 16 from their land and I dont see any reason for it. Some said, what if I cut off a piece to keep from going to higher tier, ok. Let think about that, stick someone else with the extortion plot? Possibly the bad and intended cutter to use it? There is nothing good out of cutting a 16 off. If you are over on tier by 16, then your not playing the game right and destroying the game. If you are over by 16, then you need to cut off a 512 and deal with it. 512 should be the minimum sellable piece, period. There shouldn't be a huge discussion about this. What if your over by 32? 64? 128? So what do you do then? sell it off and leave it for more cutting? if your over on tier, whats the chances of you waiting out the right price for that land? none. You are going to focus on nothing but your own personal gain. Period.

I propose, if your over by 16, then you split off a 512 and you can sell, if not, pay the tier or sell the whole thing and move to something more affordable. We are trying to put realizm in the game here. In real life, there are limits to what you can sell like that. Linden you make the rules, why can you just make the rules and be done with it? 95% will back you in this decision. The other 2 1/2 percent might be legit, the other 2 1/2 percent are 2nd avatars of the cutters themselves.

Keep Secondlife an enjoyable environment...

No more land cutting to Sale. If its not 512, its not resellable or transferrable and its not cuttable. Period. If you have a 16 cut (and you can have a max) then its not chargeable either as long as you dont have a prim on it. Thats how you stop this and thats you enforce it. Simple code.

If land < 512 disable build, sell, transfer, give except to Linden Moles and enable auto smooth
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I dont see why thats so hard?.... I dont even have my degree yet in programming.

Realising now that the question was more about teeny tiny parcels at ridiculous rates, I think the OP's idea of putting a cap on price per meter for such tiny parcels is a great one.

AFAIK that would only hurt the extortionist land sellers. Anyone wishing to give or sell a parcel that tiny for use such as planting trees/flowers would surely not mind it. I wouldn't.

Also there is no reason I can think of other than extortion for asking tens of thousands of linden for a teeny tiny strip of land. There may be some, of course; but none I can think of, to answer the OP's other question.

You're pathetic, especially as i don't deal in buying & selling small parcels on Mainland.
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To answer to your dull question is simple...it would depend how much land i held. If the 4096 sqm plot flipped into a new tier level, than most likely not!
e.g i hold 7500 sqm and i pay 40 USD tier...the 4096 would take me to 11596 sqm and require me to pay 75 USD tier......do i really want to pay an extra 35 USD tier to own it? Can i make use of it for that extra tier? I could always sell it for a quick profit
Like i said you can buy Estate land for 1L with resell rights, they have been around for quite awhile.......and the reality is that you'll find less plots on Mainland being sold for 1L then your would on Estates as the Estateowners are only really after tier contributions. Even if there were Land on Mainland being sold for 1 L, the chances are (about 99%) that a Land Bot would get to it first!

The biggest land scam of all is some people running a lobbying campaign against microparcels and their owners as a means of getting the most valuable prims in a sim cheaply.

The basic rules of economics says:

a) the smallest sized portion for sale is always the most expensive per unit
b) the rarest objects are always the most expensive.
c) the last items of any production run are always the most sought after.
d) when a supply is limited (i.e. 15000 prims in a given sim) the last items available in that market will always be the most expensive.

What the anti-cutting people here think they can do is what is called 'legislating against the tide' as if you can outlaw forces of nature. If LL imposes this policy, all they accomplish is make the SL economy less attractive to entrepreneurs and consumers and the value of everything will diminish as the SL economy continues to contract, and more residents find that the opensim grids or other virtual worlds are more economically attractive.

Given enough bullets and body bags.

Communism works for insects with no brains. Homo Sapiens is not an insect.

Communism - Struggles to make everybody equally poor, ergo, whats happening to SL
Capitalism - Struggles to make everybody equally rich, ergo what SL used to be.

The last time you posted this preposterous claptrap I asked you some questions. You didn't answer them.

These days the Lindens are about as Libertarian as the ACLU. (i.e. the ACLU was founded by Socialists)

There are a few, like Rodney Linden, who are still Libertarians.

Then why is a sim like Nangrim that is almost entirely cut up full of high priced microparcels? The only rare item in the entire sim are people who have been able to duck tape an actual sized parcel together enough to make use of it.

By definition, if a sale is made in a free market, there is no extortion. Please publish any evidence of threats or other actual coersion, otherwise you are violating avatar's rights against slander and defamation under the ToS.

Nangrim has a road going through it, doesnt it? The land along the road is very valuable for retail locations, and given retailers need every prim they can get to sell product, it stands to reason that prims in that sim are valuable.

My alt has 1500 sqm or so in that sim, btw, in one parcel. I've bought microparcels there in the past to get more prims for my build. I dont begrudge anybody for recognising that given the needs of landowners there to buy more prims, that small parcels would be more valuable. Frankly, given what I know of Nangrim, I have more of a problem with those who have crappy trailer-park type noob builds.

In message #933 ACE BnT threatened Deltango Vale with violence by proxy through the analog of the state, in an attempt to coerce him into suppressing his freedom of speech. This is the act of a statist and coercionist.

Excuse me? Slander and defamation are not criminal statutes, they are civil torts. As such, they exist under common law and are wrongs against persons irrespective of the existence of a government.

Evidently you have no clue what you are talking about here either.

Neither "criminal statutes" not "civil torts" are concepts defined under the TOS. You threatened Deltango by claiming he was violating the TOS, which is using the coercive power of Linden Labs (the state analog in this context) by proxy.

If you're NOT threatening him with the TOS, then you need to retract your statist claptrap.

Time to lock this thread. It's going nowhere.

This stayed on topic )) I see you solved the problem LL by releasing the newest greatest server update and making the game unplayable. Nothing on screen , in the blog, or in the grid status about all the problems. Did you even take a look at the code this time )) it does not look like it. Oh well the 16m problem is solved since teleporting does not work.

Seeing as how none of the stores within that sim are near the road, that has little to do with anything. Also, the worst cut areas in that sim are totally nowhere near the road either. If there was any value left to the sim, why is the bulk of it yellow? This is a smoke screen for an excuse to trash a sim.

If I can have something of a last word...

Jack Linden asks if there are legitimate uses for land cutting.

I note that in 63-or-so pages of responses, I haven't seen anyone who answered, "Yes! Advertising!"

Agree. Read my posts.

So, with your above reasoning, if, as Melodie describes Nangrim's remaining residents trying to live there, apparently you included, are the "rare" items of that sim, wouldn't it logically deem that the remaining "residents" and their parcels for sale to be nearly worthless, 16's included? I just ask because I did not see a refute with what Melodie said about what the rare items were in that sim.

I don't think anyone is after true entrepreneurs or out to kill the economy, but many people are against predatory land barons that sell these microparcels and that in itself affects the economy because the money those people pay for these parcels in the middle of nowhere are going to a very small group of known people who practice what the Jack Linden blog-defined purpose of Land Cutting is talking about.

Further, I think these same people are hurting the economy because once they get the 14999 L$ or 666 L$ or whatever, they don't keep it in world, except to buy another 512sqm to cut up and do it again; they take that money and put it in their Pay Pal account, buy a new RL washing machine, or whatever.



a - in real estate, usually the smallest house has more market value than it should, however I have never seen where the smallest house would be ten times more expensive per sqm than the most expensive.

b - Remember the Yugo, I bet those bring in a lot of money!

c - Especially the last Yugo ever made!

d - Maybe, but in the case of a 512 or smaller sqm parcel, an extra 117 or less prims may be of some premium value, but not ten times more than when somebody already has 1/2 a sim .... (go to "a".

No.. Just time to thwack those who aren't staying on track on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

/me doesn't really care if it derails but I think it's unfair if the post volume discourages somebody with an in-context comment from posting. New threads are cheap, folks.

So Int, you have previously stated that you do not buy or sell mainland huh?



Are we watching the same show?



I disagree.

Inane, anti-market, desconomic rules?



I disagree, and could you please stop lying now, or do you really believe the nonsense that your twinkie filled figures type after hitting the reply key?



I do not believe we are the ones who have been hornswoggled ACE, and you have made it quite clear here about your coersion tactics, so please stop embarrassing yourself, leave Second Life, the Noobs, and our growing community alone. hopefully your Mom will let you out of the basement to play in your distorted reality without negatively impacting the lives of others as you have done here.



I have photo's, and chat, so I beg of you PLEASE LEAVE.

Sincerely,
Bushido Contepomi