Q3 closed on a high note with an unusually strong September. Talk 11/12 w/Zee Linden

Yes, it definitely discards parcels that are sold for amounts near L$ 1.

Done! Enjoy!

Correct.

Thanks that helps a lot. I've recommended to our exec team that anyone who posts should reserve at least 6 hours for forum moderation on the following day. And I will do this again next quarter.

Thanks. Big mess. I wish you the best of luck recovering.

Wildcat - if you want more detail on our strategic plans than that, then I'm afraid you'll have to get a job here. We haven't even shared much more than that with our board of directors and much less with our investors in general. Bring your kids. They can pet my dog avatar.

It's quadratic, so that 2.5 ratio affects the load by a factor of 6.25. If Mainland tier stays at $195, clearly full sim Estate fees should be $1218.75.

Maybe it would be simpler and more cost effective to just pull the plug on this private Estate experiment altogether.

Yes, this is true, and especially depending on what happens with the economy with our new president elect.

Thanks for all your time and attention on these issues, folks! It's great that Second Life has such passionate Residents.

Doesnt really. "makes sense for *US*" (emphasis added) is apparently the crucial phrase here. I would like to offer that whoever thinks this PR fiasco is making sense for LL is extremely narrow minded and has a very significant lack of ability to see all the economic ramifications of this gross breach of LL's contract and social contract with its customer base. To most of us now, "The Tao of Linden" seems to really say that what LL defines as ethical is what is most beneficial to LL alone, to the short term benefit of LL based on some rough numbers, totally ignoring the fact that such a gross breach of customer trust is serverely damaging to the company in the long term, to a degree that could result in the company suffering serious legal liabilities.

I agree that there are some serious problems with the market as a whole, but that has much more to do with grandfathering on any sim (including mainland) which distorts the market, and the anti-competitive price preferences you give mainland which is subsidized by us estate owners. Legally the current pricing system fails any test under anti-trust law, and this bait and switch openspace policy falls under the RICO Act.

The only way for you to come out of this whole fiasco in a way that will recover any public trust is to equalize tiers.

Zee,

An apology from you helps, at least helps me a bit anyway - it gives me some small bit of hope that not everyone at the Lab is completely out of touch.

But honestly? M needs to be saying some of this too. Right now, he's unapproachable, non-communicative, and seems to care not a whit for what customers - PAYING customers - have to say. Especially with the whole "Premium users are not important" - I mean, if WE premium customers *aren't* that important? We'll go away.

Public relations make or break a lot of things - M needs to give the residents a sign that he actually has some idea what's going on, the 'brochure speak' in the blog posts aren't helping.

Thank you.

OK sent me an application form then, I cant wait to start. My kids I will leave here, then U can pet me, cause I have a cat avatar .....

anyhow, I am much impressed with the personal replies that you are doing Zee, I understand this will not be the case every thread but you have shown a different approach were your team at LL can learn from, for me personal this is already a sign that things can change.

u passed your examens.

wildcat

Zee, in this thread you've done a lot more to explain reasoning behind the Openspace issue honestly and open dialogue than Linden Lab has in the last two weeks.

LL doesn't need to say more; what is given in this thread is enough.

All that you need to do is present it to the community in such a way that it could bring forth truly constructive dialogue to address this immediate issue. Your customers are smart, and can absorb all of the relevant information you give them; the full rationale behind the openspace issue, and how it ties in with Linden Lab's development and growth strategies. You (Or M) could make a blog post putting all of this on the table, and then, much in the spirit of how this thread has evolved, ask for constructive dialogue on how to help solve this problem. By phrasing it not as "how do you feel about this policy?" but "What solutions do you think would work?" and then engaging that process by commenting on what ideas Linden Labs think would work, and what don't, and why, you put power in Resident's hands. Anger would decrease as constructive, rational urges replace it, as it would be something that someone with a passion for this issue and SL could help to solve along with everyone else.

You're right, there's almost nothing a bot can do better than a script except buy Land, cancel sales on land, set the price on land, adjust the parcel properties on land, monitor the land for sale search, collect the data need to map the entire grid, check land ownership, get group names from group LLUUIDs, get group membership given a group LLUUID, easily move from one sim to another, IM people, kick people out of groups, create roles, delete roles, assign and remove abilities from roles in groups umm and who knows what else, really almost nothing.

If you are making donations Zee, I'd be happy to accept 20USD per 17 openspace sims paid to Madelena BnT on Jan 1....

You forgot .. steal images and duplicate other peoples prims in that list of things bots can do.

U sound like ya have been beaten today Katt, everything ok ?

I have let him know.

{Stares at the screen with jaw dropped} Wildcat, I can't believe after all your posts that you actually posted something positive. I am definitely going to re-enforce to our exec team how important lots of responses in the forums are. Thanks!

Well said. Very well said. I'm sure we will incorporate our learnings from this in our future decisions. I know I will be very active in the forums whenever I post to the blog. You have all been great. Thanks.

{Licks her screen with eyes closed}
Like I said .... U passed your examens ... want me to sent a fax as a prove

Yes.

However, quite a few folks have questioned the method used to generate the numbers, since many folks have quite an extensive data set on land pricing, and can see quite a bit of what is going on, doing their own "analysis" of it.

Can do that without a bot.

Thanks everyone. I learned a lot today & I appreciate all the input and enthusiasm. Feel free to drop me a note in world or directly to my email. I hope I helped. See you again next quarter, good bad or ugly.

Zee Linden

[email]zee@lindenlab.com[/email]

John Zdanowski
CFO
Linden Lab

Why are grandfathered sims grandfathered on transfer? I've never understood that.

Zee you've demonstrated admirably how to handle customer relations even when the message is a bad one. What most of us want is for Linden Lab to work with us, not against us and the openspace price rise feels like Linden Lab are working against us.

The vast majority of us want a healthy and buoyant Second Life economy, we will all have different ideas on how that can be achieved but residents have an inside inkling that Linden Lab seem to be missing at times. A Linden who actually listens to and represents inworld business needs would be most welcome.

As for premium memberships people need options. I see some people can have their own name, that could be an option. You could trade the stipend for an option like that. As it stands premium membership is only useful if you want to own land, those who don't need other perks.

Despite the whining we want this to work, hefty price rises rightly give us the heebie jeebies, it stifles growth on many levels. What we need is stability, not the feeling that we've just got off the pirate ship ride at a funfair.