Who Is Aristotle?

I have seen a lot of comment on age verification and people complaining and whining about having their info sold to a third party, but when i did a little looking at Aristotle*Integrety

Dont worry, they arent selling your info to a third party, they are the third party, they handle, verification AND political info, they dont need to share your info with some other company.

This was just the conclusion I had when I looked at the site, they handle ID verification, and give politicians profiles (probably caging lists) about potential voters, contributors ect.

This looks to me like something that was not a problem, then some guy sets up a buisness to solve the problem, then he lobbys congress to make it a problem. Now dude is rich by defeating the enemy he created.


I have no intentions of verifying, im a flaming liberal but i would tell Edward Kennedy to take a flying leap after 6pm. Privacy is something you have to guard and fight for and they aint getting anything else out of me.

They werent worried about how old i was when i was buying lindens

I wanted to put some questions out there that im still looking for answers to.
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1. When was aristotle started and who is on its board?

2. How long do they keep your infornmation and do they confirm its accuracy with you?

3. Does Aristotle sell its informnation as a package/product to political campaigns?

4. Will the info gathered be made part of an existing profile.

5. Does Aristotle maintain its corprate offices in the united states or dubai?



Im still looking for answers to these questions but i havent slept so
night all

In the most recent LL blog post, they claim that no data is kept. They simply verify, and if you match, they throw the data away.

However...in previous posts, LL has also said that the data would be "vaulted" and available under certain circumstances (such as a government investigation, or possibly a subpoena).

So. Which is it? Frankly, I don't believe the "we throw it away" statement. That data is too valuable. To Aristotle (who also does marketing research), and to LL itself (in the event they need to prove that someone did in fact verify, and what data they used.)

Aristole is currently under investigation for identity theft. And, also mainframes are constantly hacked from reports from Al-Queda, which is looking for new identities. I am a government employee and will quit. Due to the fact my superiors refuse to let out public identification. FBI and INTERPOL both state unless it is a Federal, Sate, or Local along with International Government Agency NEVER release you Social Security Number or your Driver's License.

How interesting, by whom? Do you have a reference for this?

Contact FBI or INTERPOL and ask for Identity Theft. And, contact Social Security Administration they will even tell you not to release. Remember last year Buh Jr "Al-Queada is using the computer as a weapon now and are attacking databanks which have your personal information on them unless you know the corporation personally do not release any information since Al-Queada will use it."

I would like to direct LL to the privacy statement of http://integrity.aristotle.com

http://integrity.aristotle.com/content/view/31/152/

Our site's registration form requires users to give us contact information (like their name and email address). "We use customer contact information from the registration form to send the user information about our company. The customer's contact information is also used to contact the visitor when necessary." - Data is stored for contact

Our site uses an order form for customers to request information, products, and services. " We collect visitor's contact information (like their email address) and financial information (like their account or credit card numbers). Contact information from the order form is used to send orders and information about our company to our customers. The customer's contact information is also used to get in touch with the visitor when necessary. Financial information that is collected is used to bill the user for products and services." - Data stored for billing.

This site has security measures in place, including server password and firewalls, to protect the loss, misuse and alteration of the information under our control.

So according to their own privacy statement, it is not purged, its stored. They can make all the promises they want, but according to US law, they only have to abide by their privacy statement. And privacy statements are policed by the state government, not federal. So you have to look up the individual laws for Washington DC to know what the laws are for infraction. If its similar to California its a slap on the wrist and don't do it again.

Presumably LL have entered into some form of agreement that requires Integrity to meet certain requirements that LL have, namely that the data ONLY be used for verification and then purged.

The issue of conflicting stories may be that some countries require data-verification information to be retained for a period by law?

That's just for their own site, it doesn't say anything about how they handle client's data. Plus, it makes sense that they would store that sort of information, if you registered and they purged it, then why register because they would never know who did? Likewise, if they didn't store client's data for billing, how would they know who to bill?

All information is Stored... if it is not stored then the need for the information to begin with is unnecessary. WHY they need this extra information is what comes into question.
When they can cure any default responsibilities by placeing a Parental Control Device into the Interface with statement that Parents should be responsible for their Children.
As for the rest... they are asking... no Demanding.. that we trust them... just like the pusher down on the corner says.
and as far as sooth sayers that say... I heard it from a friend that heard it from a friend that heard from another that you can trust them...... FORGET IT!!!
This is just WAAAAAAY to Obvious and Personaly I feel a bit Insulted that they think I am that Stupid.

I'm not sure what extra information you're talking about. They don't require you to register for their site, and they don't get billing information unless you're a customer of theirs like LL is. If you mean the information sent when verifying, I'm not sure how you expect them to verify your identity if you don't give them any information.

Regarding data provided for identification purposes:


The problem is they don't specify what laws they're referring to in "as required by law." And they don't specify when those laws require them to retain data.

I sent an e-mail to their information address asking if they could provide more information as to what exactly that means. I'll post their response when/if they reply.

Currently throughtout the US mllions have ID theft and it is companies like Aristole which sell others your information. Some have been sold to terrorist organizations. Support Terrorism give your information to Aristole. Do not support Terrorism quit SL and do not trust Terrorist loving Aristole who will sell your information to the Terrorists.

I heard Aristotle has a fleet of black helicopters and they started as a consortium mining data to determine where they could find babies that tasted the most like chicken.

Since this whole issue began I've been steadfast in saying that Linden Labs will lose my money before they or anyone contracted by them get my vital information. Congratulations Linden, you've lost my $18/month.

Personally, I'm just going to wait and see how many land owners decide to restriced their land to verified-only. While LL is encouraging land owners with mature content to restrict access to age-verified customers, they're not forcing them to, nor are they forcing anyone to get verified. And if none of the places I go to regularly end up requiring that I be verified, then I won't even have to bother with it.

Do you think sex related isalnds will put a non paying or payment online flag on? Well I highly doubt it for the only reason GREED. If locations that rely on no payment online for their( traffic). Vendors mostly look for traffic dta before they put up a vendor in said island(s). Those islands that rely on no payment online will lose alot of traffic. You see many places like hippy island(s) and all those look alike free money island will not put up those flags..... Its just smart business sence to those owners. You think strip club would mostly put on payment online flags only? I highly doubt it.

It's an interesting point, I haven't decided what I'm going to do yet. Really all the age-verification does at this time is allow land-owners to claim they put measures in place to prevent minors accessing their adult content. If you choose not to enable it then I don't think LL care really, but it becomes your fault as the land-owner rather than theirs, as you are now the one allowing minors onto your land.

So it's a liability thing, land-owners will now be reasonable for WHO is on their land and viewing their content, rather than it being the responsibility of LL as the people who allow account creation in the first place. LL will be able to turn around and say "But we gave the land-owners the tools to stop minors visiting their land and they chose to ignore them, sue them!"

Obviously what LL has done regarding this subject is at least questionable. LL contradicts itself in blogposts and that doesn't make the whole issue clearer. What I keep wondering about though is this: if I verify, I have to do so with either my passport or my driver's license. Those are legitimate means of identification in the Netherlands. But the companies that request and *store* those data, have to comply with the regulations set forth by the dutch Board for the protection of personal data (College bescherming persoonsgegevens). And those regulations are pretty strict. I do not know if that goes for foreign companies as well, still waiting for a reply from the Board.

But... my guess is that Aristotle can have no legitimate way of possessing my information. So if they do, it's probably illegal, unless government agencies here sell their data (and that I find hard to believe). If they don't, and I verify, I provide them with my information and then the only one I can blame is myself for I have given the info voluntarily.

Whatever will happen, I'm not going to verify. Right now I know that my fav sim will probably gets flagged, so I won't be able to go there anymore. One reason less to stay in SL.

they say they will not keep information... so it shouldn't interfere with the laws in the Netherlands. Any data they do keep they claim to only keep it if its required by the government. and that info will be sealed so no one can look at it unless there is a court/government order to.

I am sorry, but your response doesn't make sense. If Integrity doesn't store stuff, and only sends a Yes or No to Linden, there is nothing left that can be viewed by court order. On the other hand, LL has said in the past that the data will indeed be "vaulted" for 2 years, just in case of court orders. So... what is true?

But even if Integrity manages to verify me by checking my passport or driver's license, I still wonder where they got that information. Because if they have it... well... something went terribly wrong somewhere, and then dutch law might step in again. Still waiting for a response by the Personal Data Protection Board though. I'll post the outcome when I have their response.

And regarding the "they say they won't store it"... do you believe it?

No. I don't believe it at all. In that famous blog post by Dan Linden he said there was a requirement that the information be Vaulted for the 2 year period. As far as I can learn, there is no such requirement. This has been bee nothing but disengenuousness from the beginning, and it has now turned into a joke, with people registering as Elvis, and assorted dead relatives. This was conceived as nothing more than a data mining scheme, and an incompetent one at that.

its rather simple, not sure why there is confusion.

They will not keep any information by choice. They will only keep information if the area they are collecting the info requires them to by law. If that is the case the information will be vaulted and not used or accessed without a court order... if there is no law where they are collecting the info, then no info will be kept.

here is a intersting police blotter Report.................


Now if this is and signs of the future many on sl are in deep ****.

If i recall signing up for sl i believe it was a game. But what do i see now? RL? Pardon me Philip Linden ( if you even involved in sl these days) asking for passport or drivers card is telling many you nolonger care about the users and only the larger companies yout trying to trick in to believing we are on happy group!But only care about your own Black card american express card. Don`t expect me to put a passport or drivers card information for this game. If you think after the drama games and Lindens that have causes me issues, i put those personally highly privite details. Think again! Clean up your staff and then i think about it. 3 ******** years on sl and now this ****. TAKE THIS BANANA and SAY OPENUP!

So... are they required by law to collect and keep or not? Apart from that: do you believe they won't store it?

#1- NEVER give ANY company or Person personal info such as SS#, ID, and so on.

#2- the number of foreign countries attacking USA databases IS numerous. I've read enough reports on this stuff to think "yea, I'm not giving out more than I need"

#3- TOO much data/identity theft nowadays.

#4 SURE!!! Big Companies are NEVER out to make $$ off you at your expense!! *wink wink*

I'm sure if you all Google for incidents of ID Theft, Database attacks, etc, you'll see its not a wise idea to give out personal ID.

If this goes through and there is an Incident... (as if that would never happen)
Does that person in question not need to have the record checked to see if thier Verified??
Believe me they keep the Info.
And I am still wondering Why SL just doesn't do a Parental Control Key and a Insert in their TOS that if you agree to the TOS you are agreeing that you except SLs Release of Liability on such topics as Age. Place the resposibilities back in the hands of those childrens Parents.
Personaly I came into SL to have Fun and Create things for enjoyment... I am not here to police other peoples kids.
And I have to agree that it sounds like SL is going the Long way around to clear themselves without covering their Members also.. Is this the Plan SL? Are you trying to Prostrate your Members? Position us for something planned in the Future?