Lots of babies, public assistance, theft and relating the lot to SL
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Treasure Ballinger
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02-11-2009 12:43
From: Raudf Fox Actually, I'd have them tossed out of the profession, but make them pay for the care of the 8 kids, for the rest of the kids' lives.
I know this is going to sound really harsh, but if you are going to be on welfare and without a job at all then you should be limited on the number of children you are allowed to have and still be covered.
I have heard of people who pop kids out like living pez dispensers, just to collect the welfare. Nothing chaps my hide more than to see people like this getting the benefits when I've seen struggling families of all sizes who are working or are trying to find a job, but are refused aid for various reasons. Love the analogy "Living Pez Dispensers".  Quite the visual. As this is my line of biz, I can say that the Federal Welfare Reform Act from several years ago did stop some of that......kinda. Now we have what's called 'MFG Kids' (Multi-Family Grant). In other words, just because you have another kid doesn't mean you get additional aid, if you give birth while already aided with other ones. The catch/loophole? Sure! After 5 years aided, you have to get off. You have to stay off for a year. Then, you can not only return, you can return with all of them. So, all you have to do, is, survive for a year and you've got it made for another 5 years. Granted, some do get off and never return which of course was the goal to begin with. And some just live, to jump in the loopholes. |
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Kenbro Utu
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02-11-2009 12:48
From: Aeslyn Dae Mentally ill or not, she couldn't have done it without fertility treatment of some kind.
If I had my way the doctor(s) responsible in the case would be TOSsed out of the medical profession and straight into gaol without passing 'go' or collecting so much as a change of clothes and a toothbrush.
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Elora Lunasea
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02-11-2009 12:50
My feeling is a good fertility doctor is going to take your entire history into account and treat you accordingly - whether that means possibly advising you against going forward with treatments too.
Years ago, I was going through treatments myself, mostly due to male factor reasons. To make a long story short, I'd been discussing the whole thing with my doctor, who was one of the top physicians in NYC at the time (listed in NY Magazine in fact as a "Top 10", which I didn't even know until later on). I was commiserating on how I wasn't getting pregnant and we began talking about all the possible reasons why, including some very personal emotional situations in my life.
Finally, he said to me "Elora, has it occured to you that perhaps now may not be a good time for you to be pregnant, all things considered?". This from the top doctor in NYC, who I'm sure would have loved to milk me for many more thousands of mine and my insurance dollars.
As upset as I was to hear those words, it put perspective on the situation. I called a halt to everything and never looked back. He was completely correct. It was the wrong thing to be doing; and children never came out of that marriage which I'm now grateful for.
Sometimes, a doctor needs to have the wherewithall to do the right thing ethically. In the case of these people who are obviously abusing the system(s), more of them need to get a bit more proactive with their opinions. Won't always work, but perhaps may sway a few of them.
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02-11-2009 13:20
From: someone This idea that a doctor should have the right to make decisions for a patient makes me a little queasy. Yeah damnit! That's supposed to be the Government's job Actually that is a dead on post, Joy. Well stated.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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02-11-2009 13:37
Like sable, my heart goes out to the grandmother of these children. Nana is doing what she can but is way to much for her already. And then for her daughter to saddle her up with 8 more babies, well, just well really. *sigh*
I think there is maybe a revenge thing going on here in a convulted kinda way.
As for who is going to pay for these childrens upbringing ??? I think the doctor who prescribed the meds is their Daddy and wanted them as much as their Mummy did. Would be quite good I think if a Family Court was to hold that doctor legally responsible for their children.
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Raudf Fox
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02-11-2009 13:50
From: Tabliopa Underwood I think there is maybe a revenge thing going on here in a convulted kinda way. If I was "Nana," I'd have the mother declared unfit and take the children. Then I'd kick "daughter dearest" to the curb. Then keep the kids outta the spotlight, though might allow a book deal. The publicist or whatever, said the mother was hoping to make money off her "story." Which she might just well do.. grrr...
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Katheryne Helendale
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02-11-2009 13:50
In my honest opinion, "octomom" is nuttier than squirrel poo! (I have more appropriate adjectives for her, but would likely get me banned for life). Never have I seen such an overt display of selfishness! She had all these kids just because "she wanted them", without ANY regard for her kids' well-being, or the well-being of those she manages to con into "helping" her!
I give six months before CPS has their arms full with the products of her selfishness.
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Tabliopa Underwood
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02-11-2009 14:17
From: Raudf Fox If I was "Nana," I'd have the mother declared unfit and take the children." If I was Nana then I probably have my child declared mentally incapable as well. The child needs some serious help I think. Going only on what I took out of Nana's own interview I think Nana has come to this conclusion herself. Would be a hard thing for any parent to do I think but sometimes is the only thing left really. |
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Marybeth Cooperstone
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02-11-2009 16:56
I just saw my gyn the other day for a routine exam. We got to talking about octopmom. Although he did not work in the fertility area (other than diagnosis of problems and referrals when appropriate) he said that of the docs he knew in the in-vitro work would not either:
deal with a patient when there were questions about mental stability, and for a woman with 6 kids to ask to go through in-vitro to get more would be off-limits.
implant eight eggs in one person at one time, due to fear of too many fetuses in the womb at one time.
My doc pointed out that, for elective things like fertility, doctors can make choices and are not under ethical obligations to perform procedures such at that. Almost all the time when they try to enhance fertility (prescribing drugs, surgery to correct problems, or in-vitro) it is because a woman cannot get pregnant and would be childless without the medical assistance.
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Dnali Anabuki
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02-11-2009 17:13
From: Yumi Murakami I think it's the feeling of "staticness" that's become common in the modern day. Certainly you hear comments like "that's just the way things are" or "it is what it is" quite often now. The idea of "upward mobility" has reached a ceiling for most people, since nowadays it seems most middle-class people just plain expect a white-collar job, and going higher requires either being fortunately talented, or making tradeoffs that may mean it's not actually upward any more from that person's point of view (eg, a city banker might make more money and have a huge house, but have to work so hard they barely even see the inside of it; for me certainly, that would be worse than my current life, even though it would be technically be a "better" job). In fact I've read that young women in the current generation are increasingly abandoning the whole feminist ideal, and just focusing on trying to become the wife of a rich man or celebrity, because it's the only way they see upward from where they currently are.
The problem is.. when things are static.. if you want something, you have to either get it by whatever means you can with things as they are, or do without. And that isn't the nice tactical "do without" that you teach your children, it's not "do without it in order to save up and get something else later on". It's just "do without, and later die". Improving things so that you can get it doesn't feel like an option anymore because, after all, that would require things not to be static. I really like this post Yumi, the idea of static or status quo being a permanent state is new to me but really explains a lot.
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Dnali Anabuki
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02-11-2009 17:16
From: Brenda Connolly It's only ging to get worse as more people find themselves out of work. They will be relying more on Government assistance, and while some will just use it temporarily and get beack out on their own, many won't, and will become dependant on it to survive, which is how the beauracracy sustains itself. In my part of the world, we call those sorts "poverty pimps" because they make a living making sure that people on assistance never get off so they can keep their jobs in the bureaucracy. Its a hard balance to help the suffering but not make them weak. I guess its the old teach people to fish rather than just give them a fish. Still, if someone is hungry, its hard to learn anything.
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02-11-2009 18:53
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Sydney Jacobs
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02-11-2009 18:56
Did anyone else notice in that interview, how much she looked like Angelnia Jolie (face and hair)?
It's sad to think what we've become as a nation. Not only are we losing the idea of responsibility as was mentioned before, but we also glorify the excessive. Super size meals, the hummer, jon and kate plus 8. When did we become people of 'it's never enough'?
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02-11-2009 19:32
From: Brenda Connolly It's only ging to get worse as more people find themselves out of work. They will be relying more on Government assistance, and while some will just use it temporarily and get beack out on their own, many won't, and will become dependant on it to survive, which is how the beauracracy sustains itself. I totally agree with that! I'd rather have the goverment in my life as little as possible.
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02-11-2009 19:56
From: Raudf Fox
I know this is going to sound really harsh, but if you are going to be on welfare and without a job at all then you should be limited on the number of children you are allowed to have and still be covered.
That. I'm on disability, but I do have a sort of job, using SL. I've *tried* to hold down a "real" job and failed, and made my health worse to top it off. But I'm not going to have any kids, because I know I can't support them, and even if I wanted kids just wanting them isn't justification to have them. I won't comment on "Octomom" specifically since I haven't heard the story, but in the current economy intentionally having a bunch of kids isn't a very wise idea. |
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LittleMe Jewell
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02-11-2009 20:40
The biggest problem is that somewhere along the line, the folks with the attitude that they are entitled and that they are not responsible for themselves has surpassed those of us that still believe in self responsibility. There have always been some in that mindset, but the social programs that started up years ago have somehow encouraged it in many more people. But what else should we expect? As soon as the government decides to get involved in anything, it almost always gets screwed up.
I was raised with the mentality that you do not take a handout unless it is literally the absolute last option available to you - and then you do your absolute best to become self sufficient again as soon as possible.
It will not get any better until we figure out how to make people want to be responsible for themselves and to be proud of doing so - regardless of how little they maybe have from that.
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Bree Giffen
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02-11-2009 21:46
http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/Looks like she's asking for money just like our girl! She has paypal donation box too. Her website looks much better than Nikki's.
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Blot Brickworks
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02-11-2009 22:15
From: LittleMe Jewell The biggest problem is that somewhere along the line, the folks with the attitude that they are entitled and that they are not responsible for themselves has surpassed those of us that still believe in self responsibility. There have always been some in that mindset, but the social programs that started up years ago have somehow encouraged it in many more people. But what else should we expect? As soon as the government decides to get involved in anything, it almost always gets screwed up.
I was raised with the mentality that you do not take a handout unless it is literally the absolute last option available to you - and then you do your absolute best to become self sufficient again as soon as possible.
It will not get any better until we figure out how to make people want to be responsible for themselves and to be proud of doing so - regardless of how little they maybe have from that. Nice one. I have long held the belief that there is no such thing as rights.But people do have duties,to themselves ,family country etc:- You don't have the right to stop a charging lion,try it and see. But you certainly have a duty to climb up a tree if you want to live .lol
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Kenbro Utu
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02-11-2009 23:04
It should, since she hired a PR firm to do it. :^/ http://killeenfurtneygroup.com/ |
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Sylvie Grizot
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02-12-2009 00:18
From: Bree Giffen Looks like she's asking for money just like our girl! She has paypal donation box too. Her website looks much better than Nikki's. /me resists the temptation to post a comment on her Comments Form |
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Cinders Vale
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02-12-2009 02:31
Octomom should have watched Dr Phil today. One of his guests was the mother on that cable reality show about her eight kids. And she has a great husband who does all he can to help with raising their two older girls and the six pack.
She had some wise words for octomom and I hope somebody gets octomom to watch the show. Volunteers usually fade away, they get tired, get busy, whatever. Then it is just you and the kids at home.
Has octomom thought about how noisy it will get when the babies come home? When all eight are hungry and crying? Egads.
Octomom is on disability due to a back injury at a former job. Having so many kids makes even less sense to me then.
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Aeslyn Dae
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02-12-2009 03:56
From: Blot Brickworks
You don't have the right to stop a charging lion,try it and see. But you certainly have a duty to climb up a tree if you want to live .lol
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Raudf Fox
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02-12-2009 06:26
And now she's asking for donations?
Sorry lady, I don't have the spare money to donate to your own stupidity. If you can't afford 'em, don't have 'em!
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02-12-2009 08:41
From: LittleMe Jewell I was raised with the mentality that you do not take a handout unless it is literally the absolute last option available to you - and then you do your absolute best to become self sufficient again as soon as possible. Unfortunately, people today are learning from the "completely ordinary, or even below average, person gets a slot on Reality TV and becomes a star" stories more than from the heroic ones  |
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Blot Brickworks
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02-12-2009 10:20
Sh-t that's one gone out the window.
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