Well if you believe legend Microsoft told them to contact Gary Kildall who produced CP/M but he wasn't home so IBM went back to Bill who acquired Dos.
Make that MSDOS........DOS was around a long time before Bill Gates/Steve Jobs.
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Peggy Paperdoll
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09-28-2008 17:16
Well if you believe legend Microsoft told them to contact Gary Kildall who produced CP/M but he wasn't home so IBM went back to Bill who acquired Dos. Make that MSDOS........DOS was around a long time before Bill Gates/Steve Jobs. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-28-2008 17:25
Make that MSDOS........DOS was around a long time before Bill Gates/Steve Jobs. QDOS or 86-DOS if you want to get technical about it ![]() |
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Peggy Paperdoll
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09-28-2008 17:41
QDOS or 86-DOS if you want to get technical about it ![]() Now that we got that straight..............LOL. Whatever happens with "RL" and it maybe trumping "SL" only time will show us which way it will all shake out. Microsoft is a formidable competitor........and despite some failures, they have much more success than anyone else in the field. I'll say it again........."Don't poo poo Microsoft entering the virtual realm of the internet". A lot of people have issues with MS.......heck so do I (I spent good money for Millineum Edition and it was a total waste). If Microsoft developes this niche in a virtual internet they will be hard to beat. Linden Lab and anyone else should know that.......if they don't then they are in for a hard and expensive battle and they may very well loose. I still say the two (or more, depending on how many other ideas crop up) will come up with some standard to make both visions viable. Otherwise, MS will get the businesses LL wants and SL will be mostly religated to a sophicated game. The artists and creators will go with LL........the big money (business) will go with MS. Or it all could just fall apart as some great idea and something entirely different will develop. ![]() |
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Rebecca Proudhon
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09-29-2008 10:33
I think the technological advances that make the "digital enhanced real world" possible will fuel and be part of technical progress that enables the creation of virtual worlds of power and sophistication far beyond what we have now. I don't see an either-or situation. This is right. It's not either or. The hard part will be for SL to incorporate new tools into it's existing structure and tools. For a short period, Microsoft owned Softimage--then they sold it to Avid. Microsoft can buy things after it's been developed and I think they will continue to look at mainstream use rather then smaller niche use, so they might be right there. If something bursts into mainstream then they might go for it. In the meantime they will keep their eyes on things. |
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Desmond Shang
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09-29-2008 12:19
If Microsoft makes a virtual representation of my home, I'll tell them to get their ads off mah lawn!
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AfroduckFromPC Brim
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09-29-2008 13:01
Microsoft can buy things after it's been developed Except Yahoo! lol. |
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Rebecca Proudhon
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09-29-2008 13:04
Except Yahoo! lol. bet yahoo wished they'd taken that deal now. |
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Ciaran Laval
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09-29-2008 15:49
Microsoft is a formidable competitor........and despite some failures, they have much more success than anyone else in the field. I'll say it again........."Don't poo poo Microsoft entering the virtual realm of the internet". Oh I wouldn't poo poo Microsoft, I just think there's more to this than saying "Hey we're Microsoft". Personally I think the future will have room for worlds like Second Life and the Microsoft vision. Generally in computing we should expect the unexpected, Xerox got into a flap about the paperless office how many years ago? A lot of people have issues with MS.......heck so do I (I spent good money for Millineum Edition and it was a total waste). Millenium Edition was a heinous pile of pants that should never have seen the light of day. |
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Maklin Deckard
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09-29-2008 19:24
WOOHOO!!!!!! Creative Zen ROCKS!!!!!!!! I get to laugh all the time when I show mine to Ipod owners and then get to tell em it was $100. But, but, they PAID more for that silly logo and a sense of belonging to the lemming herd! Got given an iPod, broke it by accident, bought a Creative Zen, do NOT miss the EgoPod in the least! ![]() |
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Marcush Nemeth
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09-29-2008 23:57
Having a family member that worked for them at the time, I got to read some of the memos sent to employees. What happened was more about IBM believing that the PC would never be anything more than a tool sitting on some Fortune 500 desktops. They completely discounted the possibility of a home market. So, I say again, they just didn't _THINK_. On this I agree. At some point even before that, I believe in the late 40's, some IBM chairman was even quoted saying there would probably be a market for 5 computers worldwide. Of course, that was the time that a computer didn't even fit in a highschool training hall. |
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Lindal Kidd
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09-30-2008 09:53
And just about 80% of the computers in the world are Windows (Microsoft) based. And Vista is not bad........believe me. ![]() Hi, Lindal's Resident Geek here. Yes, you're right. We won't go into the history of why that's so...except to say that it's NOT because Microsoft is "so far ahead of everyone else in software development". MS was actually last to the table with a graphic user interface operating system...Windows was a patch on top of DOS that poorly mimicked Apple's MacOS. They were late to the game with an internet browser, and Internet Explorer only got the huge market share it did by virtue of being nearly inseparably entwined in the Windows OS. They didn't have antivirus protection or firewalls or, in fact, any security features in Windows until others had already identified the market and had thriving products for sale. They were late to the game with Windows Media Player...Apple beat them out with QuickTime. And so on. What Microsoft has going for it is two things: size, and money. They have an enormous user base. Anything they put out, even if it is clunky and full of bugs, is going to find buyers. And they have enough money to buy up really promising technologies and incorporate them into their software. It seems to me I saw some sort of preview of PhotoSynth a couple of years ago. I'm surprised that it hasn't progressed farther in all that time...or maybe it's no surprise. I'll bet that it is an ENORMOUS resource hog. A vision of "the real world inside a machine" will remain a vision for quite a while, I'm afraid...there are just too many bytes required to model reality in any significant way. _____________________
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Kyllie Wylie
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09-30-2008 10:18
fun site to read about computer history and see pictures of all your old computers...
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Haravikk Mistral
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09-30-2008 10:24
A virtual world that completely mimics the real world? Um...why? Already got the real world for that
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Brenda Connolly
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09-30-2008 10:55
A virtual world that completely mimics the real world? Um...why? Already got the real world for that ![]() SL and other "free-form"/user-created virtual worlds are interesting because, while you can get a load of crap, you also get a ton of great, imaginative and unique stuff that people have built! But a lot of people DO want that, some are trying to make SL exactly that. _____________________
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Cael Merryman
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10-01-2008 08:34
No, IBM just plain didn't think when they released the PC. ... Never mind. Read more of the thread... |
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Cael Merryman
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10-01-2008 08:52
At some point even before that, I believe in the late 40's, some IBM chairman was even quoted saying there would probably be a market for 5 computers worldwide. Of course, that was the time that a computer didn't even fit in a highschool training hall. A well known quote, but there is no evidence it was ever made - it was supposedly made in 1943 by THE IBM CEO Thomas Watson. It took a ton of technological advances to make it an untruth, but the closest to an attributable statement is by some mathematician, who was even more pessimistic, saying the world only needed 3. Its all good. We'll wake up someday and find out it is just one big computer running across the Internet and they'll be right, regardless who said it. Virtual worlds at that point will be called 'Real Life' and the rest is just 'out there'. Not that the above is exactly an original idea - my computer has been running on and on about it for years... |