How to help newbies financially?
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 08:12
From: Sling Trebuchet And hey! [[ This is just good-humoured mischief now, so ignore it. OK?  ]] Hiding the cone so that only cone followers would see it, while other places have it on open view, could be 'gaming' the system. [[ This is just good-humoured mischief now, so ignore it. OK?  ]] Yes....and in Good Humor....I've already been defined as a Gamer....so my conscience will allow it. 
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 08:16
From: Phil Deakins I don't know that the creator is marketing it for users at all, or if it's intended to be self-supporting; i.e. the presence of the cones in various places is the only outreach to new users. I've been assuming that it's self-supporting. Would it be less than tactful for me to send a questionnaire to the Users...have a few informative questions on it....give them 50L credit to answer? One of the questions being "how did you hear about the Cone?"
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 08:21
From: Sling Trebuchet Go to another place?? Are you CRAZY????  Ah but what they won't know is that I would have fixed it so that the only places they are offered are my satellite shops 
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 08:23
From: Mickey Vandeverre Would it be less than tactful for me to send a questionnaire to the Users...have a few informative questions on it....give them 50L credit to answer? One of the questions being "how did you hear about the Cone?" I don't think it would lack tact at all. We are trying to find out all we can about the system, especially since the creator didn't make it here yet, and asking questions of users is a very good, and normal, way of doing it.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 08:25
From: Phil Deakins Ah but what they won't know is that I would have fixed it so that the only places they are offered are my satellite shops  I thought about that earlier....I may go get another one, and put it in a section of store that is in another sim....see if the effect doubles.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 08:25
From: Mickey Vandeverre I would like to see a LM come out of that Cone and go into their inventory. Yep. That's already been pointed out as a shortcoming. It should be used as the TP method rather than the SLURL in Chat.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 08:26
From: Phil Deakins I don't think it would lack tact at all. We are trying to find out all we can about the system, especially since the creator didn't make it here yet, and asking questions of users is a very good, and normal, way of doing it. Are you sure that's not Gaming? 
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 08:27
From: Mickey Vandeverre I thought about that earlier....I may go get another one, and put it in a section of store that is in another sim....see if the effect doubles. With that arrangement, I'd be more interested in how many uniques you get from both (or even from one). I'm very curious to know how wide or narrow the recipient userbase is.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 08:31
From: Mickey Vandeverre Are you sure that's not Gaming?  Not that I'm aware of  I asked for some details (info) from the owner of the cone where your cone sent me. If I'm going to use the thing, I want to know all I can about it before I commit myself. It was as a result of the info I got from that owner, and what I found when using it, that I decided against using the cone as it is now. There's a piece of advise that is often seen - when trying to decide whether or not to go in for something, ask some existing customers for their opinions. Asking recipient users about the cone is doing exactly that.
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Sling Trebuchet
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05-27-2009 08:39
From: Mickey Vandeverre I would like to see a LM come out of that Cone and go into their inventory. A LM would be better. A problem with a link that appears in chat is that it creates a pressure to do something about it then and there. Otherwise one is scrolling up later in the chat history to find it. The LM in their inventory becomes associated with a feelgood, if for no other reason. The LM could also trigger a further 11 minute linger if the person wants to pick up a trail of cones at a future date.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 08:43
From: Phil Deakins Not that I'm aware of  I asked for some details (info) from the owner of the cone where your cone sent me. If I'm going to use the thing, I want to know all I can about it before I commit myself. It was as a result of the info I got from that owner, and what I found when using it, that I decided against using the cone as it is now. There's a piece of advise that is often seen - when trying to decide whether or not to go in for something, ask some existing customers for their opinions. Asking recipient users about the cone is doing exactly that. Here's the wording: Title of Notecard: Thank You for Visiting! 50L Credit for you! Thank You for visiting the EtCetera Store and taking the Cone Tour! If you would like to earn a 50L Credit to the EtCetera Store....please take a minute, and return this notecard with some quick answers to a simple questionnaire. Be sure to put your name inside the notecard to receive credit. 1) How did you hear about The Cone? 2) How many places did you visit on the Tour? 3) What was the most interesting place you viewed? 4) Would you take The Tour again? Thank You! Let me know if there would be another valuable question to add.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 08:47
Here's my concern at the moment.
There has been green dots at the cone location on my map all morning. Only two pay offs. They are not the same person. They leave...then another one comes.
I got the visitor/traffic....which is the point....but why aren't all those dots getting paid.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 08:47
Something else occured to me...
The current cone probably works like this, but a person can be a start-clicker every time. E.g:-
Start-click >
"here or at another place?" >
11 mins, get paid >
"Another place y/n? You can continue looking around here and click again when you're ready." >
No >
Some minutes later...
Start-click >
and so on.
I really like the whole thing in theory - apart from the current system's shortcomings and the possible small recipient userbase.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 08:50
From: Mickey Vandeverre Here's the wording:
Title of Notecard: Thank You for Visiting! 50L Credit for you!
Thank You for visiting the EtCetera Store and taking the Cone Tour!
If you would like to earn a 50L Credit to the EtCetera Store....please take a minute, and return this notecard with some quick answers to a simple questionnaire. Be sure to put your name inside the notecard to receive credit.
1) How did you hear about The Cone?
2) How many places did you visit on the Tour?
3) What was the most interesting place you viewed?
4) Would you take The Tour again?
Thank You!
Let me know if there would be another valuable question to add. If it hasn't been sent yet, how about.. 5) How often do you use the cone system? or something like that.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 08:55
From: Mickey Vandeverre Here's my concern at the moment.
There has been green dots at the cone location on my map all morning. Only two pay offs. They are not the same person. They leave...then another one comes.
I got the visitor/traffic....which is the point....but why aren't all those dots getting paid. Bots that can't get the code right maybe? We don't know much about the bot protection. All we know is that it's a menu that requires the matching button for the floating text to be clicked. We don't know if the various floating texts are the same for all the cones or if they are created for an individual cone on rez. We don't even know what happens if the wrong menu button is clicked. Bot protection is something that we haven't discussed. If it were me, I'd stand nearby and watch what happens. If the cone is moddable, it might be worhwhile putting another touch script into it to find out if it's being clicked on.
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Rene Erlanger
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05-27-2009 09:02
From: Phil Deakins Yes, I agree that the creator does need paying for the running of the system. It's just that a third of everying I put in is a huge chunk, and way too much, imo. Rene mentioned that the Hippo person gets 10%. That's much more in keeping with what I consider to be reasonable. Also, in view of the fact that there is a continual collection, I don't see why the cone should cost anything up front. After all, the more cones there are, the more people see them, and the more people start to use them - and tell their friends to use them too. NO the Hippo owner gets 2 or so % commission....i was suggesting the Cone owner could take 5 or 10% on payments made to Cone. .....but there is a problem by taking variable payments and applying a % from a prim. He would have to make it fixed stepped contributions e.g 100 L at a time
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 09:06
I went down there, and tried to go through my visitor list from that section....but other shoppers are mixed in with it, so hard to tell. I put a visitor list maker right next to it.
But I'm going to have to isolate it, to get the true picture.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 09:11
From: Rene Erlanger NO the Hippo owner gets 2 or so % commission....i was suggesting the Cone owner could take 5 or 10% on payments made to Cone. .....but there is a problem by taking variable payments and applying a % from a prim. He would have to make it fixed stepped contributions e.g 100 L at a time Not really. He could take, say, a 5% or 10% commission on whatever money is put in, as it is put in - rounded to the nearest whole number. It would be just like paying for n hits in advance. E.g. if I put 57L in, he could take 6L straight away, then divide the remainder by 2 = 25, rounded down. I will have paid for 25 visitors in advance.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 09:16
From: Mickey Vandeverre I went down there, and tried to go through my visitor list from that section....but other shoppers are mixed in with it, so hard to tell. I put a visitor list maker right next to it.
But I'm going to have to isolate it, to get the true picture. Is it mod? If it is, you could add a script to tell you who clicked on it. I'm very tempted to get one of these things for testing with.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 09:18
From: Phil Deakins I'm very tempted to get one of these things for testing with. Just go get one. I'm going to get another one to try in a different section of the store.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 09:22
From: Mickey Vandeverre Just go get one. I'm going to get another one to try in a different section of the store. Before I do that, is it mod? Could I put a script into it?
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Rene Erlanger
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05-27-2009 09:27
From: Phil Deakins Bots that can't get the code right maybe?
We don't know much about the bot protection. All we know is that it's a menu that requires the matching button for the floating text to be clicked. We don't know if the various floating texts are the same for all the cones or if they are created for an individual cone on rez. We don't even know what happens if the wrong menu button is clicked. Bot protection is something that we haven't discussed.
If it were me, I'd stand nearby and watch what happens. If the cone is moddable, it might be worhwhile putting another touch script into it to find out if it's being clicked on. yes, bots trying to use it....but unsuccessfully. Potentialy this system could really take off ...and be useful to all parties if done right. It almost like a sight-seeing tour and getting paid....taking you to different Sims. Clubs, places of interest as well as Commercials can use it. You could have different trails starting points if it ever got huge.....you could have the Old Continent trail, the South Continent trail, the Ursula trail.....and then one for the Estates broken up. Would be nice if it were further broken down by category.....so all the Places of Interest could be on one trail......all Clubs on another...that's another option. It's imperative that it spits out a LM to the Inventory.....that's one of the benefits you'd want to be paying for.
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Rene Erlanger
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05-27-2009 09:30
From: Phil Deakins Not really. He could take, say, a 5% or 10% commission on whatever money is put in, as it is put in - rounded to the nearest whole number. It would be just like paying for n hits in advance.
E.g. if I put 57L in, he could take 6L straight away, then divide the remainder by 2 = 25, rounded down. I will have paid for 25 visitors in advance. if there is such a script...then sure. The closest thing i know is the "Split Commission script", there you have to specify UUID of recipient, Sale prices and Comm %.
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Phil Deakins
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05-27-2009 09:31
From: Rene Erlanger if there is such a script...then sure.
The closest thing i know is the "Split Commission script", there you have to specify UUID of recipient, Sale prices and Comm %. A script only pays what it's told to pay by the script, so anything like can be easily written.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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05-27-2009 09:31
From: Phil Deakins Before I do that, is it mod? Could I put a script into it? It's Not Mod. I just got another one, and put it in a different sim....this part of the store has more traffic....I better not lose a sale! Today is Newcomer Day! LOL (which appears to be a bust, so far) My traffic count has not rolled over yet since I set it in place yesterday.....waiting to see that. But this morning...there has been a dot almost non-stop at it's location. Just not non-stop pay outs. And No Sales from anyone who received a pay out....but that's my fault. I need to get some inexpensive items set out near it.
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