Camping problem !!

I have been camping at Freebie Heaven and everything was fine till one day when there was two of us that tried to camp at the same time. Now every time I try to camp there (even on different pads) it ask me the same question and I get the answer wrong as it is the same question as when we both tried to camp at the same time. I cleared the cache on both the browser and network, logged out and back in, even tried to wait overnight..nothing. Then I tried on a different computer today (at work) just to see what it would do and it still asks me the same question every time. I did try with my alt and the alt is fine but went back to my main and the same question again. What can I do to fix this any ideas? Maybe even a better way to earn money would be cool too...haha

What "question"? Could it be because inflating traffic is outlawed, and therefore camping is on a very slippery slope?

With the exception of a few top end vendors, the best way to make money in SL is this:
http://secondlife.com/currency/

Otherwise, look at it this way, is your current method giving you at least 1696 lindens -PER HOUR-?

If not, you're making less than minimum wage (6.55 in the US - higher in some states) at it - and you'd be better served doing just about anything else.

Could also be that they have a 30 day limit and you are too old.

Dont you spend more real money on electricity bills for all the hours camping than you earn back in lindens? Just curious.

For some of us, depending on the camping pay out, we would make money compared to the electricity costs.

No, I am not here to earn money just to have fun but....now that you say it in that way then maybe I should rethink what Second Life is all about and what I want out of it. Is there people that make any real amount of money here? (I mean like $200-300 US a week) If so then maybe i need to rethink why I am here and start thinking of it as an income possibility. After all I could easily sink in a few hundred to see what kind of return i could get out of it. After all I have in most of my MMOs and got nothing but enjoyment out of the deal.

That is one of the lamest statements that always seems to be made about camping. No, no one makes anywhere near minium wage camping compared to RL.........but no one in the RL can buy a new pair of shoes for less than a buck either. It's relative.....30 lindens (a little more than on penny US) can buy you something useful at a "yard sale" or "thrift store" in SL. Can't be done in RL........not in the US anyway.

I don't camp. However,I have camped..............as most here have done. For some it's the only way to get lindens to spend and have fun with. Not everyone has a CC or PayPal to purchase linden with real money. Not everyone even wants to spend real money on this game.

Levi.

1. Why don't you give the right answer to the question? You haven't explained what the problem is.

2. There are other places to camp. You could look for one.

3. Yes, some people do make the sort of RL money that you asked about, and more. Not from camping though.

i thought camping was banned now?

No, it's not banned. It's only banned from parcels that are set to show in search.

i see..well thats good to know =)
thank you

In other words its banned lol
Its just symantics is all

Apparently there are people who set up camping to actually help people with money.

The problem is that every time I try to camp it asks me what is showing in the blue bx and it always has DE but when i answer with DE it says that it is wrong and kicks me off the camping pad. It started when there was two of us trying to camp at the same time now I'm bugged i guess. I guess its no big deal I will just look into other means of making money here.

Reality camping is not banned. Using it to massively inflate traffic numbers is. The smaller operators are completely below LLs threshold for action and wont be touched. As far as I know camping CAN be listed in search, but the massive places with alot of chairs are a thing of the past.

As for making money I'd suggest taking some classes

Search ->events ->educational

You might try a few different things and inspiration will strike. Learn to create, set up shop, hopefully make a few L$ and have some fun along hte way.

If you don't like the minimum wage option...

(And if you're in the USA, and an adult, you have access to Paypal. If you're not an adult, you're not on SL, so its a non-issue. If your not in the USA, sure; I think there are a few countries out there without easy access to paypal or credit cards; but easy access to the net.)

...try making a few simple items and selling them.

A simple art application will let you make some texture maps that could be used to sell very basic clothing items. If you're creative, you can sell masterpieces. If not so creative, you could hit the clearance bins in the 1-10 linden range and at that price, if you're decent, you're still worth buying.

(I might try entering the market this way myself - even though I was a 3D modeler, its been a long time -4 years- and in very different apps, but I could easily make some texture based skin-tights and sell them for a range that well - would give me maybe a total of a 100 lindens a week, and a name upon which to later put out higher end work.)

If you had 10-20 items sold for 10 lindens each, with very few sales you could outpace most camping, leaving that time open to exploring or finding a social hangout spot.

Myself, so far, I can net about 500 linden a week in beauty contests, and about 100 from tipjars - I'd get more from both, but I'm a kitty - I get easily distracted and SL has too many wandering balls of yarn... Its more like, I can get those numbers in 1-2 hours, and that's all the concentration I can manage for them...

By beauty contest I mean any dance-off where you show up in a theme outfit and people vote. With some fashion sense and a nice avatar you can win them often enough. I've won half of mine wearing freebies... One key is not to wear a complete pre-made outfit, but to mix and match. Sometimes I'm a walking fashion disaster, and sometime I find just the right combo. And if you're thing isn't cute, I've seen these for cool armor, cool furry, and so on. I think even robot and combat themes happen, but I don't end up in those kind of places.


In short, there are a vast number of ways to make Lindens in SL, and camping is usually the slowest of them all, and the least active. Most of the others result in you meeting people and moving about.


Note that the main reason the minimum wage argument comes up is not about spending RL cash on SL... its about time in versus gain. Camping is basically labor - you're on a ball to drive up their traffic, and while there you can't do anything but chat with others camping with you. You are in essence working. If that work is paying you less than minimum wage, they are wasting your time. You should really start thinking of your time as worth something - either earning value, or earning pleasure, or both. I suppose Camping might be entertaining, but honestly... its so passive and isolated... as I said above, its the least rewarding way of earning Lindens, and not just in terms of the time/cash ratio...

And your computer is using more energy billed to you than you are making in lindens. Best to buy your lindens, figure out what your place in this world is based on your interests and talents and go for it

Hmmm... Well, I cant figure out why that statement would be lame? The shoes you buy in SL for lets say a buck will cost a buck wether you take money out of your RL pocket or camp for it. And it's much less time-consuming to earn a buck in real life and buy Lindens than camp for them in SL... And I think that is the thing discussed here.



That's another thing!

LL doesn't have a threshold for it. Doing anything to artificially inflate traffic numbers for search is banned, and camping is one such thing. Whether or not anyone at LL will get round to dealing with small camping places doesn't matter - it's still banned. Many people have been suggesting the idea of limiting it to n number of camping spots per parcel, and also to have the option to show in the All search but not the Places tab search. They've been suggesting those things because camping is banned if the parcel is set to show in search.

There is one temporary exception to the ban - store models.

I camped when I joined SL, I found a place called Odds & Ends that had a quite attractive payout, about 4 or 5 L$ for 10 minutes. But it wasn't just the camping that I was there for, there were 3 chairs that were always active and 3 guitar camping spots that were on intermittently, so I use to plonk my self on a chair and type away to whoever else was there, if I had learnt something about SL I would blah on about that, even if I didn't get a response I would type away, after a few days it was obvious who was just lost, who was looking for freebies "they're on the top floor, fly up or click that sign behind me".

Within a week or two, there was a group of us, usually 3 sitting and 8 or 9 standing around, chatting, wondering how we would move on, discussing what we could do to make more money etc. If you had been sitting for a while, you would offer the chair with someone who had been standing around, we shared. That was February 2007 and nearly everyone of those I met there are still on my friends list, are still the ones I go to visit on their islands, their rented shops, the ones who threw a surprise birthday party for me over the weekend.

These old age campers, although now have rented land or full sims and don't break even, still supply a couple of camping seats for newbies. When a new resident arrives, they get asked straight away what they need, they get good free clothes, they get taught how to rez a cube and remove it contents, how to adjust hair, etc etc. Over the past year I have watched these avatars develop too, they bring real money into SL now, quite a few rent land for a home from my friends who have bought whole islands, one is very active organising concerts for RELAY, our original group as turned hundreds of camping residents into paying customers for SL.

My opinion of camping is that it has changed, a camping chair alone produces nothing useful, but if you use camping to force an interaction with the people sitting there and force their expectations upwards, about what SL can be for them, then they will move on and always end up bringing their own money into the game, but you have to put the work in, to achieve that.

Camping that is used for traffic gaming only is self masturbation.

I make money in SL in 2 ways, first my litle estate (3 sims and 1 homestead) and second trading on the curency market, I invested about the same money in both ways and make roughly the same from both as wel (about 80 usd per month), if I was going to start again I would skipped the estate and invested it all in L$ trading because running an estate takes time and sometimes frustration, luckely the thanks and comunety feel of my tenants make up for it.

So my sugestion is, go to currency like sugested before but instead of just buying the lindens you want to spend, studie it and start trading on the limit buy and sell options, you would need to invest a few 100 usd to make it profitable tho but I'm sure you can do the math on that.

If you want to make $100-200 or moreper month, the old axiom "You have to spend money to make money" is true.

There's a few people in SL who with being land barons, make thousands of US$/month.

If you're just looking for something where you're making a few hundred L$/week, you can try things like earn2life, places that reward you for having them in your picks..etc.

Also for some extra RL money, use places off SL like treasure trooper...etc. then with the payouts, send to paypal.. .and use paypal to buy L$.

With the off SL things you can do... there's people who live off that. .spending like 8 hours/day on al lthe programs and making like US$ 2,000 a month. Myself, I'm lazy so I'm lucky to make 50/month.

Also a lotof the things like earn2life in SL and Treasure Trooper off SL have referal programs so you can make more for getting people to join with your referal code.

Yes i also started out at Odds&Ends and met a loy of great people and learnt a lot. The money was only secondary to meeting people and finding out how SL worked. It was a sad day when the owners of O&E pulled out of the camping and payment scene following a dispute with LL.

I had very little free income in RL when I started out. I could pay my premium account, but wind up with little left to upload on, even with stipend. So, I used camping as a way of getting off the ground, while I worked on textures. Don't need to camp now.