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Possible rezoning of land after AO move?

Infiniview Merit
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04-23-2009 13:01
I have a just a bit over half a sim on PG land on the mainland. I chose PG land not because it was PG but because it was generally less expensive than mature as well as being less chaotic.
That was a couple of years ago during a time when mature land was more expensive and there
seemed to be quite a bit more griefing going on as well as flying genitalia and huge adult signage
all over on the mainland. So as far as mainland was concerned PG seemed the best bet at the time when trying to obtain a slightly less trashy look and feel to the land.

But I have no desire to be in a over regulated land zone such as the redefined PG > G definitions
outline. And while LL says that "there are no plans at this time to merge grids" it has been brought up so many times that it would seem a bit silly not to factor the possibility into one's
thought process. So now that Mature land is going to be much more predictable I would definitely prefer a Mature rating on my land. But naturally I would prefer not to have to move all my stuff to a different sim.

So...what to do?

What if we could request that our mainland sim be rezoned as Mature? I suspect that many of the people currently residing on PG land are there for similar reasons as myself. But in the event that they are not and really do want the closest to G land that they can find. Then for them rezoning would not be a desired option. Thinking of my neighbors in the same sim at this point.

How about on the option of possible rezoning or re - rating of land that it be put to a vote of all the parcel owners on a mainland sim with the number of votes being weighted to the amount of land owned. Like say 1m of land equalling 1 vote. So clearly in my case with over
50% of the land owned by me, I would be able to decide the rating for that sim.
Personally I think that this would be a fair option as smaller land owners would have an easier time moving if they really thought it necessary to do so.

So what do you guys think of this kind of idea?
Lindal Kidd
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04-23-2009 13:24
It will never happen, because it makes too much sense.

LL prefers to do things the hardest way possible (for the residents).
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04-23-2009 14:58
From: Lindal Kidd
It will never happen, because it makes too much sense.

LL prefers to do things the hardest way possible (for the residents).


I have no idea how this will all play out, however I was thinking that it would be great if LL offered some assistance to people like the OP. Perhaps some system for matching up people with similar size parcels that needed to switch locations after the new ratings take hold.

For the chances of this happening I refer you to the above quote.
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Milla Janick
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04-23-2009 15:16
What do the people who own the other half of the sim think?

I'd suggest asking for a PG to Mature land swap, since LL will have plenty of vacant Mature rated land in a few months.
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Infiniview Merit
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04-23-2009 15:42
Yeah the voting thing does seem like a long shot. I do not know as of yet what my neighbors
would think. Some of them are pretty hard to contact. I am just guessing but it would seem to
me that with the new definitions that they would hardly notice anything was different. There would just be a few more freedoms almost entirely to do with what you do in your own space.

Would you not agree that Mature land for all outward appearances will be the New PG?

While the current PG will become G land.

It would seem that re-rating the land would be the easiest thing to do in terms of hassle and I do empathize will all the Adult companies that will have to move, as It appears that I will have to do so as well. Many of my customers like to shop in what they are wearing which will most
likely be out of bounds under the new defs.
Milla Janick
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04-23-2009 15:56
Yes, it looks like Mature is the new PG, and PG is the new G.

Please come over to the Q&A thread in Further Conversasion and ask about a possible PG to Mature land swap.

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Jannae Karas
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04-23-2009 16:28
I believe I read in one of the several thousand posts regarding similiar issues that LL's response is that you should just sell your land and move to a mature parcel.

On the negative side, your current pg land is more or less worthless now (or soon will be).

On the positive side, mature land prices are about to take a plunge from what are already absurdly low prices.

Conclusion: We mainland land owners are going to get screwed (again).
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Infiniview Merit
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04-23-2009 19:06
Wow nearly 300 pages in that thread. You don't happen to have a link to that post do you?

I'l just ask it anyway although it has already been asked.
TundraFire Nightfire
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04-23-2009 19:35
From: Jannae Karas
Conclusion: We mainland land owners are going to get screwed (again).


Sorry, you'll have to have that done in the new Adult continent.
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Ralektra Breda
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04-23-2009 21:33
Think the value of PG land is going to drop? Because I am thinking that (despite LL's claims) this whole thing is a precursor to the merging in of the teen grid. And if that happens I am going to want to have a shop on PG land. Teens spend Lindens too. Altho I did hear somewhere that the population of the teen grids is pretty small.
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Jannae Karas
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04-23-2009 23:39
From: Ralektra Breda
Think the value of PG land is going to drop? Because I am thinking that (despite LL's claims) this whole thing is a precursor to the merging in of the teen grid. And if that happens I am going to want to have a shop on PG land. Teens spend Lindens too. Altho I did hear somewhere that the population of the teen grids is pretty small.


Value of all mainland is going to drop, except fot Ursala. That will be snapped up by the land barons and sold at premium prices. You should find good deals for your shop on the PG sims.

If the merge occurs, expect a media blitz to attract more teens to the grid as well. In fact, that may be the end game after all.
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04-24-2009 00:52
From: Jannae Karas
If the merge occurs, expect a media blitz to attract more teens to the grid as well. In fact, that may be the end game after all.
This all reminds me of the nationalisation of the railways in the UK. The infrastructure was sold off to one company, and the actual train routes auctioned off by region to multiple operators.

If LL shunt off (pun intended) their "unacceptable" face (from a moral corporate viewpoint) to an adult-only continent, then they can use it as a skunkworks to experiment and develop (with the usual continuing complaints and whinging from its captive clientele that it is more than used to by now) and franchise or sell off corporate, adolescent gameplaying and educational continents, and get someone like Google (providing adverts suppressable by paying users) to run the servers and comms. LL create a profitable exit route and income stream and the nasty little secrets of SL get hidden from mainstream in a permanent beta environment.

Pep (It's what I would do anyway)
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Bith Wierwight
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04-24-2009 01:02
Ha -- that's a pretty brilliant analysis, Pep. And to think I came to this thread to complain about the recent griefing I've been experiencing due to owning one last small sliver of PG mainland...

I'm now holding firm! And wondering what I can make to sell to the kids (and the suits who want to sell to them). I'd best ask my 15-year-old son, eh?
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04-24-2009 01:09
From: Ralektra Breda
Teens spend Lindens too. Altho I did hear somewhere that the population of the teen grids is pretty small.


My son plays Teen Second Life, and it is a lot smaller grid and population-wise than the adult version. If the grids are merged, a lot more teens will sign up.

I foresee lots of $Ls being spent in game. I've checked out what goes on in the teen world when my son is playing, and it's basically the same only on a smaller scale. It really only takes a few teens to go to school, or get on the Internet and start talking about some new trend and within hours, everyone knows about it and has to have one.
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Bith Wierwight
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04-24-2009 01:14
Gah! Why am I not savvy enough to have...what is that stupid invented word again? oh: repurposed my PG land. Hmmm...
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04-24-2009 03:59
From: Bith Wierwight
Ha -- that's a pretty brilliant analysis, Pep. And to think I came to this thread to complain about the recent griefing I've been experiencing due to owning one last small sliver of PG mainland...

I'm now holding firm! And wondering what I can make to sell to the kids (and the suits who want to sell to them). I'd best ask my 15-year-old son, eh?
SL-based video/music, IM, gameplay, screenshots and ringtones compatible with the iPhone or NintendoDS.

Pep (Based on market research into the activities of a 13 yo son and 11 yo daughter)

PS My son would also be willing to pay for ready-completed homework assignments.
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Qie Niangao
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04-24-2009 04:58
From: Ralektra Breda
Think the value of PG land is going to drop? Because I am thinking that (despite LL's claims) this whole thing is a precursor to the merging in of the teen grid. And if that happens I am going to want to have a shop on PG land. Teens spend Lindens too. Altho I did hear somewhere that the population of the teen grids is pretty small.
Why would a merged grid allow teens only onto PG land? (Or even less likely, *existing* PG land?)

Is there really anything in the new definition of Mature that would be inappropriate for a 13 year old?
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04-24-2009 05:43
Taking a cynical look at the new maturity ratings proposal, I think the intent is to force virtually EVERYONE to move.

Anyone wanting full freedom or using adult content has to move to Ursula. By force or by choice. (And they profit from all the voluntary moves and land speculator purchases in Ursula.)

That leaves LL owning a bunch of near-worthless devalued Mature Mainland, conficated after the forced moves.

So they also screw over the descriptions of PG, making it an ultra-pure G, so many PG land owners are forced to buy the inwanted Mature mainland to continue doing what was acceptable before in PG land. Luskwood, for example, is concerned they would have to move, because they habe a "Pub" and people talk about alcohol and other topics that would be banned in the sanitized PG lands.

Then the teen grid influx will buy the G-rated land.

And LL laughs all the way to the bank.
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04-24-2009 07:18
From: Qie Niangao
Why would a merged grid allow teens only onto PG land? (Or even less likely, *existing* PG land?)

Is there really anything in the new definition of Mature that would be inappropriate for a 13 year old?


I don't know Qie, it's just a gut feeling so I'm rolling with it. I have thought all along that moving the 'adult' content out of reach of 'innocent' camming eyes is the actual intent here. Sometimes we don't see the forest because we let the trees get in the way :) But now, you have me thinking about teens being able to access mature grids...or maybe *some* teens, depending on their ages....*goes off to ruminate and cogitate*
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