camping for lindens

does anybody know a good place in sl to go camping for lindens with out filling out stupid surveys??

A friend goes to Sun Valley Mall, I think that is the name. Out of curiosity one day, I found it in Search by using "mall or malls" as the keyword. At that time, you could sit at a table or use one of the roving camper ones. I believe the rate was L$3, sorry that I don't remember if it was per half hour or hour. It is a good way to sort through your Inventory and start deleting stuff while earning Lindens. Unless you lucked out and got one of the roving ones.

Problem you'll run into with camping now is twofold:

First, the ban on gambling and subsequent crashing of Ginko left people becoming much tighter-fisted. Rates on camping have gone to insane lows, along the lines of, well, L$3/30 (which is a godawful rate, obviously).

Second, campbots gaming the system have caused even more of the better rated chairs to poof, 'cause who wants to be paying someone with 10-15 alts all their L$ just to get a few traffic points?



I think the best way to earn $$$ is to just go ahead, grab yourself a spammable e-mail account and do the surveys....

It's really much less bother to chuck $10 at Lindex and buy yourself some "play money".

It also isn't supporting a provenly parasitic system that damages the SL experience for everyone else.

After all, if you can afford $1000 for a computer and $50 a month for an internet connection to get into SL in the first place, $10 shouldn't be a bother to you - perhaps miss a visit to a coffee shop once a week instead and help your health too?

Broccoli

Is this about to become a weekly thread, too?

Yep, preferably on Fridays as far as i´m concerned

As to the OP: no idea, hate camping, too cold and uncomfortable for my taste

/me fears this will not end well

Until enough people are educated about the futility of camping, and camping disappears from the grid - or Linden Lab finally change or get rid of "traffic" totally.

Broccoli

devilfish mall, you click a green orb then are free to roam the mall, use their activities (skydive, fishing, jetski, bar, club, arcade, gay sex pit/nude beach etc..)

the payment is variable. Active users get bonuses zombie users get logged out.

they have phone boxes there too where you can tp in friends and earn 2 linden per accepted teleport.

You can rez at certain points in the mall, so can clean up yer invent while you camp.

Of the statements expressed re: Camping, in *all* the other threads, I have to agree, camping is a waste of time and electricity with the exception of Cinders' suggestion. That's the only time I actively camp (anymore).

If I'm not building (to make L by selling) and no one I know is online (for socializing), why not take advantage of some schmuck who will pay me to have my av sit someplace? If I'm actively cleaning inventory (which can take a *long* time sometimes) it doesn't matter to him. But if I can get a few L out of it at the same time, it doesn't feel like such a chore. And with disabling camera, I can usually find a nearby plot that has autoreturn set for 1-5 minutes so I can rez stuff to find out exactly what that "object" is before I delete it.

I'm online and in-world anyway, so it doesn't cost me any extra electricity or anything. I am being active (not a camp-bot) and can respond to IM's as well as chat. I just happen to be cleaning house. Figure it's like taking a phone survey while folding laundry.

Camping (for the chair owner) is a gaming of the system. If LL disabled the traffic system, do you know how messed up my inventory would be?!?

A

So you want to be paid to sort out whatever mess your inventory is? Does getting L$2 for the 10 minute you stand there really mean that much to you?

Broccoli

Well I think camping is a good start.
For me and my (rl)gf it was the game to make something out of nothing.
first we campt this gave us enough lindens to upload images and open a shop.
so it was fun and it did not cost any money. don't forget that in europe not everyone has use for a credit card, like us, all was bank transfers. so for some people camping is a good way to make them addicted to the game.

if Second life was without money trees and camp spots allot less people would play this game.
thats why i think its a good thing. Now with all the camp-bots its difrent its harder to get a campspot for new people. but overall I think its good for the economy of sl.

so please place more campchairs (camp-bot proof) so that second life will get more people in-game

(btw here a free anti camp bot camp script (script =mod) )
http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=385913

Many. many people would disagree with you, especially those who can't access the land they own because some idiot with a small plot of land in the same region has put down 40 camping chairs, or when they can get in it's so laggy it's not worth the bother - making their own SL experience, and the land they own, worthless.

I really don't understand how (especially as a European myself) people can't get a credit card. Look at http://www.visaeurope.com/aboutvisa/overview/whoweare.jsp ... 4,500 banks across Europe working with Visa cards, perfectly suited to Second Life. If you have a bank account, you can get a plastic card to get money out of an ATM ... if that has a 16 digit number on the front (as most do), you can use that too. I don't think it is "impossible" for anyone, simply whether it's beyond how much effort they are prepared to make.

How can 'camping' get people addicted to Second Life when all they're doing is idling at the computer whilst the human is off somewhere else?

Broccoli

you got a point on the 40 campers ... thats ofcours not social but 40 campers you would only place to get high travic and sale it afterwords for to manny lindens.
so that was not where I was talking about.
a couple of beers are ok but if you drink more 40 a day.. its called abuse, like all things in live. so no argue on that

and about the credit card, if somemone don't need a credit card and he got an free account why should he get one if he only wants to try the game... so its not about can't get a credit card but about don't need a creditcard.

I can only speak for myself in this, becouse of the campchairs/money trees Me and my gf
now got our own island and we let other people camp. so for me becouse of the "money givers" I am adicted to sl, becouse of the campchairs I could make more money and spend more money in other shops.

So in many cases people who camp (I don't mean campbots) gonna spent it somewhere in sl,
so becouse of camping shopkeepers wil have a higher profit, and maybe 1 of them buys something @ my shop.
so by creating camp spots we also create a cashflow, and in my opinion that is a good thing.

If someone can't get lindens to spend its not likely that they will log in an other time.
let them camp for a few days and they got money to spent, they go to a club pay de dancers and have a good time..... now maybe they will get a creditcard and have some more fun. I don't say this applies to all the "creditcard-less"campers but even when its just 10 or 20 % of them it will make a difrence.

I honestly wonder how anyone can survive without some form of credit/debit card in this day and age. Surely, if you have a bank account, you have the facility to withdraw money using a card?

Which country are you from?

Broccoli

The first week or so here, I tried doing camping and those surveys. Camping takes way too much time. Surveys were infuriating, too many revolving questions that kept leading in a circular fashion and took forever to complete (if at all). I only managed to complete one of them and got booted from a few when they discovered my false email address (I did start out with my real one - what a mistake that was, I'm still getting a ton of spam from it). Did manage to make about $200L from that one survey, but the time it took to do it wasn't worth it.

I finally realized about 2 weeks into my experience here, when I was jonsing for new hair and still barely had what I needed from what I was doing for "free", that $1000L is only $4 in real money. Why on earth was I wasting my valuable time worrying about $4 measly RL dollars? Instaneneously I'm able to have the money I need - geez, that lasts me a good amount of time - I'm not a spendthrift here by any means. That was the end of the camping/surveys. I still might camp if I need to clean up inventory - may as way have someone pay me a few bucks than to stand around aimlessly while I do that, but for the most part - my money is coming from myself.

There are people who will not get a card just for paying SL because it would mean additional yearly fees. There are people who will not get a credit card because they are already in debt. And there are people who do have a card and their data gets screwed by SL.

As for your argument with electricity costing more than you make... depends. I had one month in which I could have paid my whole monthly bill (including heating) with what I made from camping, and no, I do not use bots for it. But hey, that's just me.

If only everyone else could have that same "flash of inspiration" early on

Broccoli

Also,many of us, myself included will NOT patronize a business who uses campers. Period.

Sooz

Agree entirely! I used to have money trees that I fed daily to help new folks out, but after catching people fighting over them, I put dance pads in instead. They seem to be a good relaxing way to dance time away and I never thought of them as traffic magnets. Who knows what constitutes traffic these days anyway I've also put out a copy me box that has tips/tricks and free clothes for the dancers to read while earning a little spare change. It's refreshing to see that some new folks understand that actually putting money into the world is a good thing when starting out.

I've noticed a tedency for store owners toward downright cruelty in camping "chairs"... cleaning toilets, sweeping parking lots, washing windows.... I honestly think they really just pay to be able to laugh at what people will do for pennies an hour.... but here's a thought

what if, a sim owner wanted to staff a themed area, with a few people doing things that added atmosphere, and was willing to pay them? it's still camping... but now it's got a purpose.... I don't have to hire anybody, or fire anybody... there's no being late to work, or worrying about overtime, it just works....

now what if I'm a club owner, and I want dancers between Xand Y hours... enable the "chairs" for these times, have a "bounce" feature that lets me kick them off the chair if they aren't properly attired.... and allow tip jars with a percentage going to the club.... poof instant staff, no ads, no waiting, and only a little bit of monitoring to make them conform to "dress code"

it'd add to Sl's experience, a few people could make some extra linden, and business could have an easy temp labor pool

I didn't state that the amount was all that great, nor that I wanted to be paid to sort out my inventory. I simply stated that if my av isn't actively making L or socializing, why not take advantage of the schmuck who wants to give me L for sitting in one place, which I'd have been doing anyways?

As for the last line of my original posting, that contained a bit of sarcasm.
My inventory is hopeless anyway. (<--that bit, ironically, is sarcasm, too.)

A

I'd rather go bowling for dollars.

I can understand where you're coming from there ... but isn't that just adding to the problem?

Broccoli

If the camping chair owner isn't taking up too many resources, what business is it of yours? There are plenty of respectable businesses that use moderate camping and inject money back into the system by paying noobs. I can understand the argument about them taking up too many resources, but if they aren't - who cares?

I don't really agree with camping, for reasons that have already been expressed far better than I could. But has anyone seen the murder camping system on SLEX? I can't find it or I'd post it. As it stands, I don't wanna be associated with camping - but honestly, if LL eliminated traffic tomorrow I'd get it. I can't imagine much that'd make me giggle more than logging in to find my store littered with bodies... [/tangent]