Venue attendance HUDlet -- opinions please!

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Pep (Has anybody AR'd the Forum Cartel Hangout HUD which does the same sort of thing? I doubt it.)

Does this only work for the Forum Cartel Hangout? If so, then it's not quite the same thing. There's a difference between a device that only works at one place, where the place is likely considered innocuous by the majority of people, and the device is readily if not freely available to visitors versus a generic device that could work at arbitrary places, many not so innocuous, where the visitors may not be quite so aware of the device's deployment.

From what I've heard, the Hangout is maybe not so "innocuous" . . .

The Forum Cartel Hangout HUD is better described by your second definition.

Pep (so your point is . . . ?)

I don't think I knew about the Cartel HUD, and if the hangout was something I thought of as a "club" I think I might be concerned. If a bunch of clubs were doing it, I would definitely be concerned.

I think I would be too. But, seriously, what's to prevent someone from using a visitor list maker, and publishing names now? Granted it wouldn't be "live," but it would release the same info.

Nothing, and I think I'd find that creepy too.
It would enable a slightly different kind of stalking. "I know where you were yesterday" instead of "I know where you are now".

Assuming the names show up in order of arrival, as a visitor's list does....it's also going to indicate, with a wee bit of accuracy, who you arrived with. "I know where you are now...and I know who you're with."

Interesting.

To me it seems more acceptable for a club to do this than for a private social area or private home.

A club is a public place - and this is like a visitor sign in at the door. It has added value for both the venue and the patrons to know that people are there and when they get there and sometimes yes - who they are.

- Famous Linden shows up at my nightclub, and I know half my club goers are just ogling to get cozy with him, you can bet I'd like the ability to let them all instantly know that Famous is there.


You go to a club to be publicly exposed, to show yourself off to the crowd and to watch others.

A private social gathering though - which is more like the Forum Cartel, is a selective place that caters to its members for them to gather with each other. You're not there to be part of the scene, to be a spectacle or to people watch. So this item would be intrusive in such a place.

It doesn't work at "arbitrary" places. It only works where the venue owner has set up a scanner. The difference between this and the Forum Hangout HUD is that it lets you configure it for more than one venue.

Nope, it only shows who's there, in the order they appear in scan results (which is a bit of a tossup).

Um ... have you ever actually been to the Cartel Hangout? People tend to go there to be part of the scene, to be a spectacle or to people watch, as well as just hang out and chat. People also go there to make new friends.

I think ferrets are creepy!

ok....but only two people in the club tonight.

Everytime I've gone there its been completely empty.

Based on the name, I've just marked it mentally as an obscure place that a few secretive people go to be with each other and nobody else...

But if that's not what it is, just slide in some other example of a 'private hangout' for that part of my analogy. In some place only 'you and your group of people' go - I'd find this box invasive. You're going there to be affiliated with a certain set.

But in a club, its all about exposure.

I don't think of the forum hangout as either. I'm not thinking about whether it's public or private, but the kind of place it is. And how common this kind of tool is... if someone's selling it as a product for this very purpose then I'm going to be less generally happy about it.

I agree, unless maybe the owner wants to be able to check who's in his or her ... um, living room.

In case it wasn't clear, this is not a constant update thing. You click to find out who's there now. That's all.

Aww!

Ya, the Forum Hangout HUD used to do that. Pull info on people in adjacent land, which was, actually, the next sim over.

Now it is somewhat limited to the building with some distance below the building also being tracked. I noticed, probably unrelated, a switch to using the building more often instead of the lower firepit area right around the time the hangout hud came into being.

Oh, and as a name, Hangout HUD, or Club HUD, or like could probably work.

That's what is good about the HUD. You can tell when a crowd gathers, and you can visit. Though it can be a little sad if you see someone arrive. Stay on the HUD for a short while, and then leave again because no one else turned up.

I wasn't really joking when I said this would be a useful tool for knowing where to avoid because you didn't want to run into someone.

I've been trying to think of how I would use it. If I feel like going out clubbing in SL, at the moment I either ask some friends if they'ld like to go somewhere or, if it turns out they're already at a club, if they mind if I join them -- that's something I always ask, because there are circumstances in which three's a crowd (or or people know that I don't get on with some of their other friends and vice versa, which is fair enough). Otherwise, I take a take a look on the map at clubs I like and, if there seems to be something going on, I go and take a look.

How would this alter things for me? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't quite see what I need it for.

For me I see it as a way to prevent the 31-second rule.

Ie: People TP in, wait 30 seconds, and TP out, and on second 31, someone else shows up and waits 30s seconds. Each thinking the place never gets anybody...

With this tool, people might be more likely to hit the place within a similar band of time. But only if the tool actually told you when people TP'd there

ECWL has a tool that does that - I think its called ECWL, been a while since I went there... "Erotic Catfight Wrestling League." You can join a script, and everytime anybody TPs to the zone, everyone gets an IM saying who is presently there. The result is that anytime one person shows up, usually 5 follow.
- The flaw is that it uses IM, and so if you're offline, it emails you that notice...

this was your reply to there probably being these things out there already

isn't the thing that folks use to see who is at the hangout, pretty much the same thing you are describing?

also found these on xstreet, they do a little more it seems than what you are describing but if I could find these that quickly, my guess is that what you are describing is probably already out there (keeps reminding me of the hangout hud thing)

https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=704910
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1005057

Yes, except they're for a single venue. Thanks for the other slx links too, but they're aimed at the property owner, not the frequent visitors.

Geez, I hope not - we have had such a HUD for the Hangout for a long time now.