Confession good for sl?
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Trout Recreant
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03-21-2008 09:08
From: Stephen Wisent Hi Trout,
It certainly would be a noble use, but I guess the point I raised is how would you confirm to your own satisfaction that the person who was taking your confession is entitled to do so? I think a real priest would be willing to be transparent about what he was doing. So I would want to be able to verify with a RL phone call or something. In fact, I'm sure if a priest decided to take his ministry to Sl, that he would make it possible to contact him out of SL and verify that he was who he claimed to be.
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Brenda Connolly
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03-21-2008 09:17
From: Trout Recreant OK - I'm going to give a serious answer here.
I was raised Catholic. I no longer practice any sort of organized religion.......... It's funny how that stays with you. I stopped going to Church around the time I finished College, and also am not a follower of any Religion now, but attended Catholic School for all 12 years, as did my brothers and parents. My Dad and brothers were more devout than Mom and I , I guess because they all had fairly dangerous occupations. When Dad passed, it was in the Hospital and it was basically a waiting game, he only had a few hours at best. it was about 2 AM when it got close and the only thing that came into my mind was, I need to find a Priest. My brother and Mom were more concerned with the Funeral arrangements, notifying the Family etc, but all I had on my mind was to make sure Dad got the Last Rites. Luckily there was a Priest on the same floor at the time.
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Carolyn Crosley
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03-21-2008 09:19
From: Trout Recreant OK - I'm going to give a serious answer here.
I was raised Catholic. I no longer practice any sort of organized religion, but my mother and sister certainly do. So did my dad. Confession and the sacraments were a big part of his life. So were computers - I got my geek-streak from him. The last year of his life was spent in a VA hospital, dying of complications from Agent Orange exposure from Vietnam. It wasn't a great way to go. At any rate, he couldn't attend services, even the ones they had at the hospital, and when the priest came around, which wasn't often, it was a real source of comfort for him. The other thing he loved was his laptop (and the free wifi at the hospital) because it kept him connected to his friends on the forums he went to.
I think he would have liked SL, just for the goofiness and creativity of it all. It would have appealed to his sense of humor, just like it does to mine. If there was a way for him to attend virtual church services, or to confess to an actual priest (assuming this can be verified somehow), that would have made a big difference to him in his last days. (God only knows how he managed to commit any sins to confess while he was bedridden in a hospital is beyond me, but that was my old man! I bet he found a way)
We can joke about this all we want, but something that could give comfort to a dying old man in his final days is a pretty noble use of the Grid, and if this is real, I think it's pretty amazing. Very well said and a good point Trout! |
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Stephen Wisent
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03-21-2008 09:21
From: Trout Recreant I think a real priest would be willing to be transparent about what he was doing. So I would want to be able to verify with a RL phone call or something. In fact, I'm sure if a priest decided to take his ministry to Sl, that he would make it possible to contact him out of SL and verify that he was who he claimed to be. Shhhh Trout, it's often not a good idea to be seen agreeing with me.. I completely agree though. I've often wondered myself why there aren't more RL counselling services in SL. Certainly I can't see any downside to RL religious orders, and/or counselling services being transparent in SL. I, like you, suspect that it many people would seek comfort or guidance in those cases. |
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03-21-2008 09:21
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Dekka Raymaker
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03-21-2008 09:23
From: Stephen Wisent Shhhh Trout, it's often not a good idea to be seen agreeing with me..
I completely agree though. I've often wondered myself why there aren't more RL counselling services in SL.
Certainly I can't see any downside to RL religious orders, and/or counselling services being transparent in SL.
I, like you, suspect that it many people would seek comfort or guidance in those cases. Maybe you don't see them because your not looking, I'm sure if some avs are interested or need such a service, they probably stumble upon one eventually |
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03-21-2008 09:26
From: Dekka Raymaker Maybe you don't see them because your not looking, I'm sure if some avs are interested or need such a service, they probably stumble upon one eventually You could be right there Dekka. Are there RL churches and counselling services present in SL..? |
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03-21-2008 09:30
From: Stephen Wisent Hi Trout,
It certainly would be a noble use, but I guess the point I raised is how would you confirm to your own satisfaction that the person who was taking your confession is entitled to do so? If a priest is not available, anyone may hear confession.
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Ricardo Harris
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03-21-2008 09:33
Many are into religion and take it serious enough to live by it. Their lives are built around their religious beliefs and no one can tell them different. Usually, the elderly.
Others don't practice any type of religion and don't believe any of it. They live their lives without feeling the need to immerse themselves into religion. In some cases, middle aged people.
Still, others couldn't go near what religious people consider a holy place cause they'd burn to hell being they live their lives deep in unethical practices and immoral filth. These see the church or religions as being the ones in the wrong. All ages.
Yet others, while they don't attend any religious services and have no ties to anything in this field they believe in the bible and try to adhere their lives accordingly. Plain folks.
Different folks, different beliefs.
Oh, can't forget the religious fanatics who kill in the name of their god. Middle east turbanites.
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03-21-2008 09:35
From: Conifer Dada Try 'Cardinal' instead!!! Or.....The Bishop!
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03-21-2008 09:36
From: Stephen Wisent You could be right there Dekka.
Are there RL churches and counselling services present in SL..? I know they have Sunday morning services from the people in one R&B club I frequent. I believe they have a church. Oh, thought I had read in sl. |
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Stephen Wisent
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03-21-2008 09:37
From: Lindal Kidd If a priest is not available, anyone may hear confession. Hi Lindal, That's interesting, I'm just paraphrasing from an earlier post of mine here: I have to say that I thought if you were looking for "confession" in that you want to atone and be forgiven in the eyes of your God, then SL isn't the place for that. As far as I know the recipient of your confession has to be able to act "in persona Christi" in that they must receive the power of jurisdiction over you from the Church. Is this not the case then..? |
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03-21-2008 09:41
From: Ricardo Harris Many are into religion and take it serious enough to live by it. Their lives are built around their religious beliefs and no one can tell them different. Usually, the elderly.
Others don't practice any type of religion and don't believe any of it. They live their lives without feeling the need to immerse themselves into religion. In some cases, middle aged people.
Still, others couldn't go near what religious people consider a holy place cause they'd burn to hell being they live their lives deep in unethical practices and immoral filth. These see the church or religions as being the ones in the wrong. All ages.
Yet others, while they don't attend any religious services and have no ties to anything in this field they believe in the bible and try to adhere their lives accordingly. Plain folks.
Different folks, different beliefs.
Oh, can't forget the religious fanatics who kill in the name of their god. Middle east turbanites. Then there are also certain people who usually work in a "Family" business. They are among some of the most devout churchgoers out there.
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03-21-2008 09:47
From: Stephen Wisent As far as I know the recipient of your confession has to be able to act "in persona Christi" in that they must receive the power of jurisdiction over you from the Church.
Is this not the case then..? As far as I know, if there's no Priest around and someone is dying, someone (other than a priest) can act "in persona Christi". Not sure if that's only with last rites, though.
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Brenda Connolly
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03-21-2008 09:47
From: Stephen Wisent Hi Lindal,
That's interesting,
I'm just paraphrasing from an earlier post of mine here:
I have to say that I thought if you were looking for "confession" in that you want to atone and be forgiven in the eyes of your God, then SL isn't the place for that.
As far as I know the recipient of your confession has to be able to act "in persona Christi" in that they must receive the power of jurisdiction over you from the Church.
Is this not the case then..? You're correct. Being ordained grants Priests the right to hear Confessins and forgive Sins, but then they are given the power of jurisdiction by the Diocese or Parish they are assigned to.
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Morgaine Alter
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03-21-2008 10:31
From: Stephen Wisent Hi Lindal,
That's interesting,
I'm just paraphrasing from an earlier post of mine here:
I have to say that I thought if you were looking for "confession" in that you want to atone and be forgiven in the eyes of your God, then SL isn't the place for that.
As far as I know the recipient of your confession has to be able to act "in persona Christi" in that they must receive the power of jurisdiction over you from the Church.
Is this not the case then..? Well I am catholic also thou not a strict one and dont know all the technicalities of the church law. But I feel that your god is in everything and anything around you. Also you can commune with "god" your self through any type of prayer you do. So through prayer can you not talk to god and confess?
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03-21-2008 10:39
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The 'priest' might be a beastial dominatrix with membership in The Sisters of Perpetual Pleasure. You would never know. (O_O)
Which could make it more tempting as well for some people  As for the serious note: Though I don't see myself going to confession on Second Life, it might be good for others. Would be great though if there was a solid and clear connection to a real world organisation, as it is too easy to abuse what is heard in those confessions. So you have to have trust in whoever you are talking to. Marcel |
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03-21-2008 10:40
From: Morgaine Alter Well I am catholic also thou not a strict one and dont know all the technicalities of the church law.
But I feel that your god is in everything and anything around you. Also you can commune with "god" your self through any type of prayer you do. So through prayer can you not talk to god and confess? But you can't receive absolution without a Priest, if you go by the strict concept of Confession. It's a 2 step process, 3 actually, as you must be sincere and contrite in your confession.
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03-21-2008 10:40
From: Morgaine Alter Well I am catholic also thou not a strict one and dont know all the technicalities of the church law.
But I feel that your god is in everything and anything around you. Also you can commune with "god" your self through any type of prayer you do. So through prayer can you not talk to god and confess? An accepting nature is admirable, but the Catholic blessing of reconciliation requires a priest to act as intermediary because they have the authority to forgive your sins. It's kind of fundamental to that Catholic vs. Protestant thing. |
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Morgaine Alter
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03-21-2008 10:43
Yep you guys are correct I need to follow up on my Catholicism. my young son knows more than me. lol Gotta love that CCD and well it is good Friday and I already ate meat, darn it lol.
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03-21-2008 10:58
No harm in being raised Catholic and finding your own way, Morgaine. Can even eat meat on Fridays. You just have to accept you've moved on.
Madonna was raised Catholic, and aside from some mighty interesting kinks, she's done pretty well.
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Kira Cuddihy
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03-21-2008 11:43
From: Morgaine Alter Yep you guys are correct I need to follow up on my Catholicism. my young son knows more than me. lol Gotta love that CCD and well it is good Friday and I already ate meat, darn it lol. Just confess girl and you will be forgiven. Not Catholic, but that is one thing I love about the Catholic faith. /me wonders if a bartender or your hair dresser would work in this case j/k |
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03-21-2008 12:24
From: Carlos Cameron I was recently informed there is available confession in sl. It's in a church in a sim somewhere. Along with this they also have counseling. Personally, I don't know who would use this place or places as I was told there happens to be more then one. Anyone know this to be true? I would be careful about this. There are licensed therapists active in SL, but priests? I would be very clear on who the person was RL before going to confession, and certainly counseling, with them. If there are legitimate priests/ministers etc. practicing in SL, though, I certainly could see them providing much comfort to those who cannot go to RL churches. Counseling is particularly touchy ... counselors get a great deal of information from physically seeing their clients. If at all possible, a RL counselor would be better than a virtual one, I would think. Last July, one of the Catholic Church's well-known newspaper published a story quoting a Jesuit priest who exhorted his fellows to set up a mission in SL. I don't know whether that actually happened, but if you contact one of the people involved in that story you might be able to ascertain whether this "confession" thing in SL is at all legit. St. Joseph's University IS quite clearly in SL, but I believe that is their business school, not any sort of mission. . |
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Allegria Kanto
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03-21-2008 12:27
From: Stephen Wisent You could be right there Dekka.
Are there RL churches and counselling services present in SL..? I've visited the Unitarian Universalist site in SL, and there are several Buddhist groups. Since those are the practices (I hesitate to call either a religion, since neither requires belief in God) of interest to me, I've never looked for other religious groups. I'm not sure if the UU's offer counseling in SL, tho. I would imagine there are probably several churches/religious groups here. |
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03-21-2008 12:39
Hmmm thread derailed at around post nnnuuuummmberrr.....12 I think..........
This brings up a good question though - is confession valid in the Catholic church if it is done over the phone? If not, then I don't think it would be valid online. JMO
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