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Brenda Connolly

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01-23-2008 15:14

From: Jackson Rickenbacker

I agree, a colorful society will always be better than a "everybodies gray" world, but when religion is thrown in there, it makes me shiver. I certainly hope that religion can be stomped out of SL. Given the present state of the real world, and the fact that most things that are wrong with it are not a factor of lack of religion, but a factor of too many religious fanatics. I like that SL is relatively free from those kind of problems, and free mostly from racism, free from slavery, well except where its consensual. Free to be what you want, Government and religion both try to control that freedom

No, I don't necessarily want to see any sort of theocracy either. I was just illustrating that it does have some effect in governing some cultures, and not always negatively. Just like anything else in SL, if people wish to get together and practice some sort of spiritual belief, as long as they aren't trying to force it on others, fine by me.

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01-23-2008 15:31

From: Brenda Connolly

No, I don't necessarily want to see any sort of theocracy either. I was just illustrating that it does have some effect in governing some cultures, and not always negatively. Just like anything else in SL, if people wish to get together and practice some sort of spiritual belief, as long as they aren't trying to force it on others, fine by me.

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Maximillian Desoto

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01-23-2008 17:35

From: Carl Metropolitan

Such a government would need to be:

1) Democratically elected,
2) Transparent in operation,
3) Accountable, and subject to the rule of law.

1. Democratically elected by me and my army of alts? Seriously, how many people would actually vote? An election could be dominated by a small group of people. Unless you are only going to allow Premiums to vote, or landowners, and renters, or Payment Info Used... etc.

2. Transparent? How does Congress meet, when a sim can only hold 40-100 people max? How many people read the forums or the blog, and how many would read the proceedings of this body?

3. Accountable... to LL. So what would be the point?

Angelique LaFollette

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01-23-2008 22:24

From: Chux0069 Hynes

Hi there
My question Is: is there a residential government system for input on how second life is ran and the decisions that affect us or is Linden labs the sole governing body of Second life

Well, LL provides a basic set of Rules, and in Three years I've never accidentally, or inadvertantly ran afoul of them, so they can't be that unreasonable.

After that, the individual land owners Rule thier properties according to thier Role play, or thier personal Political, moral, and Ethical Standards. It's a lot Easier to run afoul of those, because in the end How stringently they are enforced is solely the discresion of the land owner. and again, in three years i've had few problems with these because if i Find the rules of any Given property to Objectionable, i simply leave.

Angel.

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01-23-2008 22:30

From: Maximillian Desoto

1. Democratically elected by me and my army of alts? Seriously, how many people would actually vote? An election could be dominated by a small group of people. Unless you are only going to allow Premiums to vote, or landowners, and renters, or Payment Info Used... etc.

2. Transparent? How does Congress meet, when a sim can only hold 40-100 people max? How many people read the forums or the blog, and how many would read the proceedings of this body?

3. Accountable... to LL. So what would be the point?

Please refer to the rest of my post where I discussed those issues.

Pelanor Eldrich

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There are attempts at resident run government...

02-10-2008 16:45

There are current resident-run government projects. They are small and tend to be limited to residents of a defined area (opt-in):

1) Confederation of Democratic Simulators (3 sims) [http://slcds.info and http:// neufreistadt.info]

2) Caledon (30+ sims)
3) Port Neualtenburg

SuezanneC Baskerville

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02-10-2008 17:15

There's an in-world group called "The Second Life Government" . It's open join and has 3 members. Every tree starts as a seed.

Except maybe for some that start as cuttings, or from leaves, or runners.

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02-10-2008 17:17

From: Pelanor Eldrich

3) Port Neualtenburg

Is that still there?

I just read something saying it was gone.

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Colette Meiji

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02-10-2008 17:27

As soon as someone figures out how to ACTUALLY physically move in to Second Life then the Original Poster has a point.

Until then its just Avatars who are being "oppressed"

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02-10-2008 22:26

From: Chris Norse

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02-11-2008 00:44

Government? I already run a government. Voting? Sorry, minions take them all, drop them in the TSO pit!

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Kalderi Tomsen

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02-11-2008 08:17

STAN: I want to have babies.
REG: You want to have babies?!
STAN: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
REG: But... you can't have babies.
STAN: Don't you oppress me.
REG: I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!
STAN: [crying]
JUDITH: Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.
FRANCIS: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.
REG: What's the point?
FRANCIS: What?
REG: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?!
FRANCIS: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
REG: Symbolic of his struggle against reality.

There are soooo many reasons why I don't see the need for government. Next thing, they'll be saying that we need trade unions in SL....

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Colette Meiji

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02-11-2008 08:19

From: Kalderi Tomsen

There are soooo many reasons why I don't see the need for government. Next thing, they'll be saying that we need trade unions in SL....

There goes my Escorts Union Idea.

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02-11-2008 08:24

From: Kalderi Tomsen

There are soooo many reasons why I don't see the need for government. Next thing, they'll be saying that we need trade unions in SL....

Actually there is a move among one group (loosely used) to form a union of sorts for the purpose of raising their pay. I gained this knowledge in confidence, so I won't give any more clues as to who they might be.

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Kalderi Tomsen

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02-11-2008 08:54

Oh dear....

I mean the last thing with need are avies out on the streets, begging because they can't get a living wage... oh wait, we already have that.

Avies with children at home that are starving... er....

Avies without a home....

or, worst of all, avies with no income at all, forced to camp for a mere pittance!

/me wonders if there'd be any call for a soup kitchen....

The government should do something about all these problems.....

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Residential Government
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	01-23-2008 15:14 From: Jackson Rickenbacker I agree, a colorful society will always be better than a "everybodies gray" world, but when religion is thrown in there, it makes me shiver. I certainly hope that religion can be stomped out of SL. Given the present state of the real world, and the fact that most things that are wrong with it are not a factor of lack of religion, but a factor of too many religious fanatics. I like that SL is relatively free from those kind of problems, and free mostly from racism, free from slavery, well except where its consensual. Free to be what you want, Government and religion both try to control that freedom No, I don't necessarily want to see any sort of theocracy either. I was just illustrating that it does have some effect in governing some cultures, and not always negatively. Just like anything else in SL, if people wish to get together and practice some sort of spiritual belief, as long as they aren't trying to force it on others, fine by me. _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Har Fairweather Registered User Join date: 24 Jan 2007 Posts: 2,320	01-23-2008 15:31 From: Brenda Connolly No, I don't necessarily want to see any sort of theocracy either. I was just illustrating that it does have some effect in governing some cultures, and not always negatively. Just like anything else in SL, if people wish to get together and practice some sort of spiritual belief, as long as they aren't trying to force it on others, fine by me. QFT
Maximillian Desoto Max's Landfall Bar & Dock Join date: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 323	01-23-2008 17:35 From: Carl Metropolitan Such a government would need to be: 1) Democratically elected, 2) Transparent in operation, 3) Accountable, and subject to the rule of law. 1. Democratically elected by me and my army of alts? Seriously, how many people would actually vote? An election could be dominated by a small group of people. Unless you are only going to allow Premiums to vote, or landowners, and renters, or Payment Info Used... etc. 2. Transparent? How does Congress meet, when a sim can only hold 40-100 people max? How many people read the forums or the blog, and how many would read the proceedings of this body? 3. Accountable... to LL. So what would be the point?
Angelique LaFollette Registered User Join date: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,595	01-23-2008 22:24 From: Chux0069 Hynes Hi there My question Is: is there a residential government system for input on how second life is ran and the decisions that affect us or is Linden labs the sole governing body of Second life Well, LL provides a basic set of Rules, and in Three years I've never accidentally, or inadvertantly ran afoul of them, so they can't be that unreasonable. After that, the individual land owners Rule thier properties according to thier Role play, or thier personal Political, moral, and Ethical Standards. It's a lot Easier to run afoul of those, because in the end How stringently they are enforced is solely the discresion of the land owner. and again, in three years i've had few problems with these because if i Find the rules of any Given property to Objectionable, i simply leave. Angel.
Carl Metropolitan Registered User Join date: 7 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,031	01-23-2008 22:30 From: Maximillian Desoto 1. Democratically elected by me and my army of alts? Seriously, how many people would actually vote? An election could be dominated by a small group of people. Unless you are only going to allow Premiums to vote, or landowners, and renters, or Payment Info Used... etc. 2. Transparent? How does Congress meet, when a sim can only hold 40-100 people max? How many people read the forums or the blog, and how many would read the proceedings of this body? 3. Accountable... to LL. So what would be the point? Please refer to the rest of my post where I discussed those issues.
Pelanor Eldrich Let's make a deal... Join date: 8 Feb 2006 Posts: 267	There are attempts at resident run government... 02-10-2008 16:45 There are current resident-run government projects. They are small and tend to be limited to residents of a defined area (opt-in): 1) Confederation of Democratic Simulators (3 sims) [http://slcds.info and http:// neufreistadt.info] 2) Caledon (30+ sims) 3) Port Neualtenburg
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	02-10-2008 17:15 There's an in-world group called "The Second Life Government" . It's open join and has 3 members. Every tree starts as a seed. Except maybe for some that start as cuttings, or from leaves, or runners. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	02-10-2008 17:17 From: Pelanor Eldrich 3) Port Neualtenburg Is that still there? I just read something saying it was gone. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	02-10-2008 17:27 As soon as someone figures out how to ACTUALLY physically move in to Second Life then the Original Poster has a point. Until then its just Avatars who are being "oppressed" ---------------------------------------- To borrow an idea from Sheriff Woody in Toy Story- "Its a game .. An Adult's play-thing!!!"
SuezanneC Baskerville Forums Rock! Join date: 22 Dec 2003 Posts: 14,229	02-10-2008 22:26 From: Chris Norse Wendy McElroy Good ole Wendy. Wendy and Murray. _____________________ - So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them. I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne - http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03. Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard, Robin, and Ryan -
Tegg Bode FrootLoop Roo Overlord Join date: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,707	02-11-2008 00:44 Government? I already run a government. Voting? Sorry, minions take them all, drop them in the TSO pit! From: Har Fairweather Yeah, that would be cool. And I wanna be a Jedi knight "Hmm you do? How are those straps feeling? Chaffing yet?" _____________________ Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan] Free Waterside & Roadside Vehicle Rez Platform, Desire (88, 17, 107) Avatars & Roadside Seaview shops and vendorspace for rent, $2.00/prim/week, Desire (175,48,107)
Kalderi Tomsen Nomad Extraordinaire! Join date: 10 May 2007 Posts: 888	02-11-2008 08:17 STAN: I want to have babies. REG: You want to have babies?! STAN: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them. REG: But... you can't have babies. STAN: Don't you oppress me. REG: I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?! STAN: [crying] JUDITH: Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies. FRANCIS: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry. REG: What's the point? FRANCIS: What? REG: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies when he can't have babies?! FRANCIS: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression. REG: Symbolic of his struggle against reality. There are soooo many reasons why I don't see the need for government. Next thing, they'll be saying that we need trade unions in SL.... _____________________ Kalderi, General Manager, Hosoi Ichiba and Hosoi Design - - - Hosoi Ichiba - High Quality Classically-styled Asian buildings, furniture and home decorations in an old-fashioned Japanese market garden on Japan Kanto. http://hosoi-ichiba.blogspot.com/ Hosoi Design - High Quality prefabs and furnishings, plus commercial buildings.
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	02-11-2008 08:19 From: Kalderi Tomsen There are soooo many reasons why I don't see the need for government. Next thing, they'll be saying that we need trade unions in SL.... There goes my Escorts Union Idea.
Chris Norse Loud Arrogant Redneck Join date: 1 Oct 2006 Posts: 5,735	02-11-2008 08:24 From: Kalderi Tomsen There are soooo many reasons why I don't see the need for government. Next thing, they'll be saying that we need trade unions in SL.... Actually there is a move among one group (loosely used) to form a union of sorts for the purpose of raising their pay. I gained this knowledge in confidence, so I won't give any more clues as to who they might be. _____________________ I'm going to pick a fight William Wallace, Braveheart “Rules are mostly made to be broken and are too often for the lazy to hide behind” Douglas MacArthur FULL
Kalderi Tomsen Nomad Extraordinaire! Join date: 10 May 2007 Posts: 888	02-11-2008 08:54 Oh dear.... I mean the last thing with need are avies out on the streets, begging because they can't get a living wage... oh wait, we already have that. Avies with children at home that are starving... er.... Avies without a home.... or, worst of all, avies with no income at all, forced to camp for a mere pittance! /me wonders if there'd be any call for a soup kitchen.... The government should do something about all these problems..... _____________________ Kalderi, General Manager, Hosoi Ichiba and Hosoi Design - - - Hosoi Ichiba - High Quality Classically-styled Asian buildings, furniture and home decorations in an old-fashioned Japanese market garden on Japan Kanto. http://hosoi-ichiba.blogspot.com/ Hosoi Design - High Quality prefabs and furnishings, plus commercial buildings.

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