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Meade Paravane

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11-05-2008 10:09

From: MoxZ Mokeev

It sounds...er...icky...like a toupe or something.

Yep. Just lower and shinier..

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MoxZ Mokeev

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11-05-2008 10:11

o.O Do not google cod piece O.o

LOL I expect that is to thwart the many blows that are threat to befall this region of the nether.

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Denise Bonetto

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11-05-2008 10:13

From: Ceera Murakami

De-linking purchase of the current type of OS sim entirely from other sim ownership, so someone seeking privacy for a single household an do so at an affordable rate. As with full private island sims, a purchaser of a stand-alone OS sim would not have to be a Premium Member.

With the price hike it would help a lot of people could buy OS sims direct from LL as then we would not be paying the estate managers profit on top of the huge price hike. Everyone mentions the cost of $75 tier on the sims, but in reality most of us having homes on them are already paying over $100 to rent (I pay 29,500L/$112).

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Marianne McCann

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11-05-2008 10:17

From: MoxZ Mokeev

OK call me a newb, but what the hell is Phillip's cod piece? It sounds...er...icky...like a toupe or something.

Spot the codpiece in this piccie:

(No, this is not a "where's Waldo?" sort of thing)

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Marianne McCann

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11-05-2008 10:27

Meanwhile, I'm counting on this announcement to come late (even a day late) and be somewhat obfuscating while saying essentially the same thing we heard before. Y'know, like some other announcements I can point to.

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Meade Paravane

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11-05-2008 10:31

/me spies new subforums...

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Ceera Murakami

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11-05-2008 10:35

From: Meade Paravane

/me spies new subforums...

Yep. The forum for replies is up, but not the Blog announcement yet by M. Won't be long now...

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Qie Niangao

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11-05-2008 10:37

From: Ceera Murakami

De-linking purchase of the current type of OS sim entirely from other sim ownership, so someone seeking privacy for a single household an do so at an affordable rate. As with full private island sims, a purchaser of a stand-alone OS sim would not have to be a Premium Member.

This would have very wide appeal even at the new prices, but would simply kill current Estate dealers. It would be a bloodbath on Mainland, too--including any unauctioned remnants of Nautilus City. Not that such effects have ever interfered with the Lindens' apparent glee at random pricing announcements.

From: someone

Restoring the education discount on OS sims, as removing it made no sense at all.

I'm actually not sure about that one. As a way for society to support education, I'm predisposed against commercial discounts (because they are so widely abused as a tax dodge, among other problems), but even so: How was education using their OpenSpaces? The way I kind of imagine education in SL (classroom settings), the limitations of OpenSpaces would make this a really poor fit. But maybe it's a totally different usage model.

Marianne McCann

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11-05-2008 10:40

http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/11/05/a-letter-to-second-life-residents/

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Tali Rosca

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11-05-2008 11:13

From: Tali Rosca

Sort of pointless to speculate, but...

I suspect they'll go through with the price increase for the current openspaces, possibly talking about at some point improving their performance.
They'll add a new class of openspaces at the current price, but scaling them back so severely that they are no longer a viable option, effectively killing them off and ending up with the price increase they announced, while looking like they compromised.

750 prims, 10 avatars and yet-to-be-announced script restrictions for the current $75, and the current "1/4 sim-minus-overhead" for the new $125.
I'd say that fulfills the prediction.

Raudf Fox

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11-05-2008 11:15

I'm kind of impressed. They did something instead of sitting on their thumbs and shoveling nothing but manure as reasons.

People using Openspace sims as intended need to contact concierge to keep it an Openspace.

They've added a new form of Openspace called Homesteads. (There's that pioneer theme!) Instead of a sudden HUGE increase in price on Jan 1st, they've set it to increase to 95 USD and then increase to 125 USD in July.

Educators will still get their discounts?

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Porky Gorky

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11-05-2008 12:27

From: Porky Gorky

Personally I think this is very likely. I think they will throw us a bone in response to the negative feedback and I think this will be it.

Bloody hell I was right! That doesnt happen very often.

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Lindal Kidd

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11-05-2008 14:36

I am deeply in love with SL, and have been since the day I got off Orientation Island.

Nevertheless, I am going to be looking into the emerging options. I see that Central Grid is now under new ownership, and has been renamed Legend City Online. I'm impressed with the customer service I've seen so far.

Do I have enough of the pioneer spirit to go live in a virtual world without designer clothes, skin, and hair? Without sexy AO poses? Without sex beds?? (well, they MIGHT have 'em, I haven't set up an account and gone and looked...)

I don't know. But little Lindal is going to go and see. That's how much LL's managed to upset me.

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Meade Paravane

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11-05-2008 14:39

From: Porky Gorky

Bloody hell I was right! That doesnt happen very often.

A million Porkeys with a million keyboards?

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Elgyfu Wishbringer

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11-05-2008 14:56

Even though my two Open Space sims are currently only housing half their prim count, and running 20-45 scripts each, that is still far more than the new defininition. Therefore I would have to pay the price increase to keep them.

I can't justify that. Why shoudl I pay 66% for what I have when I was not abusing it in the first place.

So I will have to scrap my islands which means the Lindens have just screwed me for the US$500 plus VAT that they cost me.

Thank you very much. I am so glad I spent four years building up my business to the point where I coudl afford those sims so I could have a park area and water for other people to enjoy too.

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Phil Deakins

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11-05-2008 16:06

From: Porky Gorky

Bloody hell I was right! That doesnt happen very often.

You were right, alright - right after me

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Porky Gorky

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11-05-2008 16:09

well....I was right to agree with you.

It still counts!

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Phil Deakins

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11-05-2008 16:16

From: Porky Gorky

well....I was right to agree with you.

It still counts!

I guess it does

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Puppet Shepherd

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11-05-2008 19:45

Well, you two can be right all you want, but I'm still running off with the bone and burying it!

Congrats to those of you who are staying on your islands to fight another day.

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Ceera Murakami

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11-06-2008 05:53

From: Qie Niangao

This would have very wide appeal even at the new prices, but would simply kill current Estate dealers. It would be a bloodbath on Mainland, too--including any unauctioned remnants of Nautilus City. Not that such effects have ever interfered with the Lindens' apparent glee at random pricing announcements.

Not necessarily. If you can't afford the setup fee and the price per month for the Homestead, you'd still stick with a Mainland parcel or an Estate parcel. Homesteads pay a steep premium price in terms of L$ per prim per month, as compared to the Estates or the Mainland. Their sole advantage is the land area that they offer, and the potential for true privacy at leas than the cost of a whole sim.

The ones who will jump for a Homestead are those who highly value that personal privacy, and can afford that price point.

A LOT of other people will abandon OpenSpaces and Homesteads in favor of Private Estate land or mainland, where they get more prims for their monthly fees.

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Tali Rosca

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11-06-2008 06:05

From: Ceera Murakami

Their sole advantage is the land area that they offer, and the potential for true privacy at leas than the cost of a whole sim.

While somewhat covered under that, I just want to explicitly add the estate tools, primarily free terraforming, and the ease of building a coherent theme which is neither free-for-all, nor bulldozed tropical islands.
One could hope that this would lead to more estate owners offering varied, themed areas. I think there is a market for this, which has just been drastically boosted.

Announcement on Openspace Sims Tomorrow
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	11-05-2008 10:09 From: MoxZ Mokeev It sounds...er...icky...like a toupe or something. Yep. Just lower and shinier.. _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
MoxZ Mokeev Invisible Alpha Texture Join date: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 870	11-05-2008 10:11 o.O Do not google cod piece O.o LOL I expect that is to thwart the many blows that are threat to befall this region of the nether. _____________________
Denise Bonetto Registered User Join date: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 705	11-05-2008 10:13 From: Ceera Murakami De-linking purchase of the current type of OS sim entirely from other sim ownership, so someone seeking privacy for a single household an do so at an affordable rate. As with full private island sims, a purchaser of a stand-alone OS sim would not have to be a Premium Member. With the price hike it would help a lot of people could buy OS sims direct from LL as then we would not be paying the estate managers profit on top of the huge price hike. Everyone mentions the cost of $75 tier on the sims, but in reality most of us having homes on them are already paying over $100 to rent (I pay 29,500L/$112). _____________________
Marianne McCann Feted Inner Child Join date: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7,145	11-05-2008 10:17 From: MoxZ Mokeev OK call me a newb, but what the hell is Phillip's cod piece? It sounds...er...icky...like a toupe or something. Spot the codpiece in this piccie: (No, this is not a "where's Waldo?" sort of thing) _____________________ "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden
Marianne McCann Feted Inner Child Join date: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7,145	11-05-2008 10:27 Meanwhile, I'm counting on this announcement to come late (even a day late) and be somewhat obfuscating while saying essentially the same thing we heard before. Y'know, like some other announcements I can point to. _____________________ "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	11-05-2008 10:31 /me spies new subforums... _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	11-05-2008 10:35 From: Meade Paravane /me spies new subforums... Yep. The forum for replies is up, but not the Blog announcement yet by M. Won't be long now... _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	11-05-2008 10:37 From: Ceera Murakami De-linking purchase of the current type of OS sim entirely from other sim ownership, so someone seeking privacy for a single household an do so at an affordable rate. As with full private island sims, a purchaser of a stand-alone OS sim would not have to be a Premium Member. This would have very wide appeal even at the new prices, but would simply kill current Estate dealers. It would be a bloodbath on Mainland, too--including any unauctioned remnants of Nautilus City. Not that such effects have ever interfered with the Lindens' apparent glee at random pricing announcements. From: someone Restoring the education discount on OS sims, as removing it made no sense at all. I'm actually not sure about that one. As a way for society to support education, I'm predisposed against commercial discounts (because they are so widely abused as a tax dodge, among other problems), but even so: How was education using their OpenSpaces? The way I kind of imagine education in SL (classroom settings), the limitations of OpenSpaces would make this a really poor fit. But maybe it's a totally different usage model.
Marianne McCann Feted Inner Child Join date: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7,145	11-05-2008 10:40 http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/11/05/a-letter-to-second-life-residents/ _____________________ "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden
Tali Rosca Plywood Whisperer Join date: 6 Feb 2007 Posts: 767	11-05-2008 11:13 From: Tali Rosca Sort of pointless to speculate, but... I suspect they'll go through with the price increase for the current openspaces, possibly talking about at some point improving their performance. They'll add a new class of openspaces at the current price, but scaling them back so severely that they are no longer a viable option, effectively killing them off and ending up with the price increase they announced, while looking like they compromised. 750 prims, 10 avatars and yet-to-be-announced script restrictions for the current $75, and the current "1/4 sim-minus-overhead" for the new $125. I'd say that fulfills the prediction.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	11-05-2008 11:15 I'm kind of impressed. They did something instead of sitting on their thumbs and shoveling nothing but manure as reasons. People using Openspace sims as intended need to contact concierge to keep it an Openspace. They've added a new form of Openspace called Homesteads. (There's that pioneer theme!) Instead of a sudden HUGE increase in price on Jan 1st, they've set it to increase to 95 USD and then increase to 125 USD in July. Educators will still get their discounts? _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Porky Gorky Temperamentalalistical Join date: 25 May 2004 Posts: 1,414	11-05-2008 12:27 From: Porky Gorky Personally I think this is very likely. I think they will throw us a bone in response to the negative feedback and I think this will be it. Bloody hell I was right! That doesnt happen very often. _____________________
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	11-05-2008 14:36 I am deeply in love with SL, and have been since the day I got off Orientation Island. Nevertheless, I am going to be looking into the emerging options. I see that Central Grid is now under new ownership, and has been renamed Legend City Online. I'm impressed with the customer service I've seen so far. Do I have enough of the pioneer spirit to go live in a virtual world without designer clothes, skin, and hair? Without sexy AO poses? Without sex beds?? (well, they MIGHT have 'em, I haven't set up an account and gone and looked...) I don't know. But little Lindal is going to go and see. That's how much LL's managed to upset me. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Meade Paravane Hedgehog Join date: 21 Nov 2006 Posts: 4,845	11-05-2008 14:39 From: Porky Gorky Bloody hell I was right! That doesnt happen very often. A million Porkeys with a million keyboards? _____________________ Tired of shouting clubs and lucky chairs? Vote for llParcelSay!!! - Go here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1224 - If you see "if you were logged in.." on the left, click it and log in - Click the "Vote for it" link on the left
Elgyfu Wishbringer The Pootler Join date: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 659	11-05-2008 14:56 Even though my two Open Space sims are currently only housing half their prim count, and running 20-45 scripts each, that is still far more than the new defininition. Therefore I would have to pay the price increase to keep them. I can't justify that. Why shoudl I pay 66% for what I have when I was not abusing it in the first place. So I will have to scrap my islands which means the Lindens have just screwed me for the US$500 plus VAT that they cost me. Thank you very much. I am so glad I spent four years building up my business to the point where I coudl afford those sims so I could have a park area and water for other people to enjoy too. _____________________ Tin Teddy - a beautiful island full of unique prefabs, high quality, original 3 & 1 prim plants, animated animals and much more. Elgyfu's Egyptian Emporium - SL's premier store for Ancient Egyptian artifacts, since 2004.
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	11-05-2008 16:06 From: Porky Gorky Bloody hell I was right! That doesnt happen very often. You were right, alright - right after me _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Porky Gorky Temperamentalalistical Join date: 25 May 2004 Posts: 1,414	11-05-2008 16:09 well....I was right to agree with you. It still counts! _____________________
Phil Deakins Prim Savers = low prims Join date: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 9,537	11-05-2008 16:16 From: Porky Gorky well....I was right to agree with you. It still counts! I guess it does _____________________ Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices. http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
Puppet Shepherd New Year, New Tricks Join date: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 725	11-05-2008 19:45 Well, you two can be right all you want, but I'm still running off with the bone and burying it! Congrats to those of you who are staying on your islands to fight another day. _____________________ Come see my new 1-prim flowers, only $10 each! Lots of other neat stuff to find @ Puppet Art, http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lilypad/200.092/210.338
Ceera Murakami Texture Artist / Builder Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 7,750	11-06-2008 05:53 From: Qie Niangao This would have very wide appeal even at the new prices, but would simply kill current Estate dealers. It would be a bloodbath on Mainland, too--including any unauctioned remnants of Nautilus City. Not that such effects have ever interfered with the Lindens' apparent glee at random pricing announcements. Not necessarily. If you can't afford the setup fee and the price per month for the Homestead, you'd still stick with a Mainland parcel or an Estate parcel. Homesteads pay a steep premium price in terms of L$ per prim per month, as compared to the Estates or the Mainland. Their sole advantage is the land area that they offer, and the potential for true privacy at leas than the cost of a whole sim. The ones who will jump for a Homestead are those who highly value that personal privacy, and can afford that price point. A LOT of other people will abandon OpenSpaces and Homesteads in favor of Private Estate land or mainland, where they get more prims for their monthly fees. _____________________ Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
Tali Rosca Plywood Whisperer Join date: 6 Feb 2007 Posts: 767	11-06-2008 06:05 From: Ceera Murakami Their sole advantage is the land area that they offer, and the potential for true privacy at leas than the cost of a whole sim. While somewhat covered under that, I just want to explicitly add the estate tools, primarily free terraforming, and the ease of building a coherent theme which is neither free-for-all, nor bulldozed tropical islands. One could hope that this would lead to more estate owners offering varied, themed areas. I think there is a market for this, which has just been drastically boosted.

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