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Can i report this person??

Marion Mocha
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06-11-2009 18:58
This person have more than 6 avatar's he contact me with all of them its annoying.Can i report him? thats harrasment..can someone pls help me
Ceka Cianci
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06-11-2009 19:16
mute them all .if the IM's are offending you could AR each one of them..
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06-11-2009 19:18
Yeah, unless they are saying some really bad or abusive stuff, it's easier just to mute them.
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RockAndRoll Michigan
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06-12-2009 04:12
Having previously been involved in a case of harassment.....

The simple thing to do is mute them all. If more of them begin to crawl out of the morass of new accounts and keep it up mute them too. But if this person keeps up a pattern of creating more an abuse report is very much in order, including the names of every single alt that has been used in this pattern of harassment.

Turning on chat logging is a useful way to keep track of what avatars are behind this as well, as all your IM's from them will be saved on your hard drive in files with the names of the offending avatars. Copying and pasting the actual text from them into a notecard to include with your AR is a waste of time though, as Linden Lab will not accept it as evidence. Primarily because you can easily fake every last word in them, and they have the real text stored on their servers anyway (yes everything you say here is logged by Linden Lab).
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06-12-2009 04:18
From: RockAndRoll Michigan
Primarily because you can easily fake every last word in them, and they have the real text stored on their servers anyway (yes everything you say here is logged by Linden Lab).


Say what?

Say where. In the forums? In world? In IMs?
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Victoria Todd
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06-12-2009 04:31
From: RockAndRoll Michigan
Copying and pasting the actual text from them into a notecard to include with your AR is a waste of time though, as Linden Lab will not accept it as evidence. Primarily because you can easily fake every last word in them, and they have the real text stored on their servers anyway (yes everything you say here is logged by Linden Lab).


I disagree...you SHOULD copy and paste a representative sample of the actual text. It isn't "evidence" exactly but will let them know what you're talking about, and has the time stamps so they'll know where to look in the logs.
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06-12-2009 04:32
From: Clarissa Lowell
Say what?

Say where. In the forums? In world? In IMs?

All of the above. :eek:

Pep (Didn't you realise you were being watched as part of a major research study? :rolleyes: )
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RockAndRoll Michigan
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06-12-2009 07:01
From: Clarissa Lowell
Say what?

Say where. In the forums? In world? In IMs?


All three. The forums are obvious, after all it's saved so other people can view it. But in-world all your communications are also saved for a time. Don't know how long but I've been personally informed by Concierge Services (when I used to qualify for such support) that they can and do view logged IM and public chat when investigating some AR's. Can't do that if it's not logged.
Arcady Yue
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06-12-2009 08:16
I was reading a blog a few months ago about a player in WoW that tried to scam Blizzard with reports claiming various things had happened to him and generally talking about his good record otherwise and so on.

To counter him and some public accusations he made against the company, one of their employees posted his logs going back for several years, showing exactly where he had tried to same scam in past, and a number of other previously unreported things he'd done that showed up on examining those logs... :cool:

They've got 12 million accounts over there to track too. SL has what, less than a million?
- Odds are there's a room somewhere at LL's with DVDs full of logs going back to day one - sorted in some easy to use way (perhaps by our surnames?).

In some MMOs, the logging is so good they can even replay the scene and move cameras about it (take a look at Guild Wars for example - which has an observer mode to let players do replays of battles).

Barring anything in the Terms here over privacy, technology wise they could esily have a log of everything that's ever happened in SL...
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Ceka Cianci
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06-12-2009 08:36
ya i was friends with a few of the Blizzies..people thought they had this task force that was going after people that were doing erotic RP..
well the few that i was i guess you could say virtually dating all said it comes down to if someone reports someone and to get to the closest time and date that it happened so they could locate the logs..

with reports in here ..you can't go back a month and report someone for something someone did a month ago..they want it A.S.A.P.

i'm sure they have logs stacked up but i also don't think they want people being blackmailed for things they have done wrong or what other reasons there would be for it..

now if there is a long history and you report a case that just happened and you say something like..i have dates of how long this has been going on..they may for that..but otherwise it has to be very recent..
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Arcady Yue
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06-12-2009 10:37
Yeah...

That's what I was getting to.

Once you get them looking at you, that can look as far as they need to. Which goes handy to showing whether or not there is a history to something, or to defeating a fake claim by showing some bit of history.
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06-12-2009 10:59
If I was Linden Labs I wouldn't keep logs for one MINUTE longer than legally necessary.
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Ceka Cianci
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06-12-2009 11:03
what i would like to see is this..in the case of the OP where someone just keeps making alts..that they will look to see if it is one person..that the lindens take the time to match an IP..
make much more of an example of these people that do this and that if you harass someone because you think you can just make more alts..you put your IP at risk of being banned..

that to me would curb a lot of this "oh mute me will ya?i'll just make another"
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06-12-2009 11:25
From: Ceka Cianci
what i would like to see is this..in the case of the OP where someone just keeps making alts..that they will look to see if it is one person..that the lindens take the time to match an IP..
make much more of an example of these people that do this and that if you harass someone because you think you can just make more alts..you put your IP at risk of being banned..

that to me would curb a lot of this "oh mute me will ya?i'll just make another"


City Wlan Hotspots, Netstumblers, Universitiy network, company network, Internet caffee, IP? MAc adress? Risk of being banned?
Ceka Cianci
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06-12-2009 11:39
hopefully they have a way of tracking their users..because if they are used for places that hackers or asshats do their business and is a safe haven for them then so be it..they should be cut off..
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06-12-2009 11:40
From: Ceka Cianci
hopefully they have a way of tracking their users..because if they are used for places that hackers or asshats do their business and is a safe haven for them then so be it..they should be cut off..


yes! but ... how?
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06-12-2009 11:55
i knew i should have kept in the part of my post that most users are not hackers and that if the threat was there of being banned at the IP most would think twice before making an alt to harass people..
how many people in SL think that just letting their IP out t is all a hacker needs to hack them??
A lot..this forum alone has proven that in past threads..
it would be nice if they could stop everyone but we both know it's not possible..
let word get around that they are banning people at their IP's that think they can get away with this harassing and it will curb the ones that don't know any better..which if they are just making alts to mess with them chances are they are nothing more than Asshats anyways..

i'm not saying resort to sub bans or anything like that..just make it more of a risk to making an alt to harass people and the Asshats will thin out..
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06-12-2009 12:23
From: Ceka Cianci

how many people in SL think that just letting their IP out t is all a hacker needs to hack them??
If someone knows you're online and they know your IP they can send forged packets with the source address of the sim you're in and the destination address of your computer, and vice versa. This has been enough for exploits in the past, and given the unencrypted UDP-based nature of most SL transfers and the way they don't seem to perform any sequence-order rejection (eg, doubled chat and IM lines) the potential for mischief is pretty much unlimited.
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xtina Borkotron
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06-12-2009 12:46
obviously!
From: Argent Stonecutter
If someone knows you're online and they know your IP they can send forged packets with the source address of the sim you're in and the destination address of your computer, and vice versa. This has been enough for exploits in the past, and given the unencrypted UDP-based nature of most SL transfers and the way they don't seem to perform any sequence-order rejection (eg, doubled chat and IM lines) the potential for mischief is pretty much unlimited.
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06-12-2009 13:15
From: Ceka Cianci
i knew i should have kept in the part of my post that most users are not hackers and that if the threat was there of being banned at the IP most would think twice before making an alt to harass people..
how many people in SL think that just letting their IP out t is all a hacker needs to hack them??
A lot..this forum alone has proven that in past threads..
it would be nice if they could stop everyone but we both know it's not possible..
let word get around that they are banning people at their IP's that think they can get away with this harassing and it will curb the ones that don't know any better..which if they are just making alts to mess with them chances are they are nothing more than Asshats anyways..

i'm not saying resort to sub bans or anything like that..just make it more of a risk to making an alt to harass people and the Asshats will thin out..


I see you are playful and cute so you do not have real trouble with harassment :)

A smart hacker won't make alts to harass anyone. They are often caught inside a trusted zone.

Back to those who like being a pain in some butt. LL makes it very easy to create accounts for free. The account registration is still open like heavens door so there is really no chance to get rid of them. And there is absolute no chance to ban them.

Its an open game for everybody. If you play it do not get pissed when someone attacks you, do not mute this person. Send him a friends request and learn to play and fight back while you have fun with it as long as things do not really leave the game such as stealing money.

People who mute everything and everybody do have a social problem. I have many people on my friend list who tried to attack and harass me with anything. Everybody has a bad day, no one in this community is always an angel.

If you mute this person who is a little devil today you do not give them a chance to be your friend tomorrow. They are maybe drunken, under medication, lost a love or friend, shit day at the university or collage, whatever.

Maybe its a way to mute them for a short time. However. Most of the people inside SL are nice people with some shitty days.
Ceka Cianci
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06-12-2009 13:17
From: Argent Stonecutter
If someone knows you're online and they know your IP they can send forged packets with the source address of the sim you're in and the destination address of your computer, and vice versa. This has been enough for exploits in the past, and given the unencrypted UDP-based nature of most SL transfers and the way they don't seem to perform any sequence-order rejection (eg, doubled chat and IM lines) the potential for mischief is pretty much unlimited.

i am not talking about hackers or about people that know what they are doing..i am talking about how many are not hackers and how many are not aware that you drop your ip everywhere you go on the net..
if those people thought their IP's could be banned it would curb a lot of them from making alts to harass someone ...

people that know what they are doing will find a way..
people that don't won't and if they value actually being in sl ..a threat like that may actually slow them down from being an asshat lol
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06-12-2009 13:29
From: Ceka Cianci

if those people thought their IP's could be banned it would curb a lot of them from making alts to harass someone ...



I so agree, I wish bans worked like that.
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06-12-2009 13:34
From: Ian Nider
I so agree, I wish bans worked like that.

i thought they did... :confused:
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06-12-2009 13:38
From: Ava Velde
I see you are playful and cute so you do not have real trouble with harassment :)

ya i haven't met too many unfriendly people in world..most have been fun :)
From: Ava Velde

A smart hacker won't make alts to harass anyone. They are often caught inside a trusted zone.

Back to those who like being a pain in some butt. LL makes it very easy to create accounts for free. The account registration is still open like heavens door so there is really no chance to get rid of them. And there is absolute no chance to ban them.

Its an open game for everybody. If you play it do not get pissed when someone attacks you, do not mute this person. Send him a friends request and learn to play and fight back while you have fun with it as long as things do not really leave the game such as stealing money.

People who mute everything and everybody do have a social problem. I have many people on my friend list who tried to attack and harass me with anything. Everybody has a bad day, no one in this community is always an angel.

If you mute this person who is a little devil today you do not give them a chance to be your friend tomorrow. They are maybe drunken, under medication, lost a love or friend, shit day at the university or collage, whatever.

Maybe its a way to mute them for a short time. However. Most of the people inside SL are nice people with some shitty days.

it does take a lot to get muted..i would say people that become dramatic and turn syco over time get muted than anyone that has attacked me with a weapon or something..lol
i look at that as yay \o/ MROWR!!!someone wants to play fight finally lol :D

i see so many that get harassed though and it would be nice to see a way to stop or slow them down..most times it is new people to SL that get picked on..and most times it is someone that isn't that old themselves that is doing the picking..

i agree the door is wide open and there are so many ways with NPIOF to get around things..just wish it wasn't so easy is all i guess..
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06-12-2009 13:43
In 5 years I dont think I have muted anyone. I have banned maybe a handfull over the years from our land for harrassing various family members. But Mute nope. Now objects that spam yeah I have muted a bunch of those ;)
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