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Lindal Kidd
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Join date: 26 Jun 2007
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07-18-2008 12:52
From: Annabelle Babii
..considering one can change their entire appearance with a single mouse click....


Eh? Not unless you set up an Outfit first, and that takes a LOT of mouse clicks. And sliding sliders. And fiddling with clothes and attachments. Oops, forgot the SHOES!

I think I spent two or three hours preparing for a fashion show recently, and maybe five minutes on the runway.
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Darien Caldwell
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07-18-2008 13:31
From: Micheal Moonlight
Last night i was somewhere, and saw a contest being run for best bikini.... voting based on how much money people put onto your picture, prizes are 25,000 for first, 10,000 for second, 5,000 for third....

Adding up the totals, the guy is offering 40,000 in prizes and has already made over 300,000 from votes on the 100 ladies... some pictures had 50 - 60,000 L$ voted on it ....

My question is... WHY? is it really that important to be named best bikini that you would spend that much? to me it's clear exploitation of the poor girls trying to be models all for profit, and yet no one questions it, no one blinks about it, when asking the owner what he plans to do with the profits... "cash out" was the answer given, not charity, or next months prize, or anything like that....


Please... Must every form of fun in SL be labeled as something bad?! It's a freaking contest for fun, get over it. If you don't like it, don't participate.
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Avion Raymaker
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07-18-2008 13:42
From: Sling Trebuchet
It's a win-win situation for the direct participants.

The guy runing the thing makes a killing and the fat bald homo guys behind the bikini avatars get to have lots of sex with horny straight guys.


Sling,

This is condescending, homophobic, hateful, and unfunny beyond belief.

A race-based comment like this would get you tarred and feathered in here. But who gives a flying f*** about us fags.
Trout Recreant
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07-18-2008 13:47
From: Avion Raymaker
Sling,

This is condescending, homophobic, hateful, and unfunny beyond belief.

A race-based comment like this would get you tarred and feathered in here. But who gives a flying f*** about us fags.


Avion - I think Sling was referencing this thread:

/327/a6/271390/1.html

Maybe not a joke made in good taste, but I doubt it was purposefully hateful. There are quite a few gay and lesbian posters in these forums and I doubt sincerely that any degree of hatred towards someone based on their sexual orientation would be tolerated by the majority of us. i wouldn't tolerate it at all.
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Avion Raymaker
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07-18-2008 14:27
From: Trout Recreant
Avion - I think Sling was referencing this thread:

/327/a6/271390/1.html

Maybe not a joke made in good taste, but I doubt it was purposefully hateful. There are quite a few gay and lesbian posters in these forums and I doubt sincerely that any degree of hatred towards someone based on their sexual orientation would be tolerated by the majority of us. i wouldn't tolerate it at all.


Thanks for trying to smooth things over, Trout. I know you mean well. But try justifying a black slur or a Jew joke by referring the marginalized person over to some other thread they should have read.
Trout Recreant
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07-18-2008 14:35
From: Avion Raymaker
Thanks for trying to smooth things over, Trout. I know you mean well. But try justifying a black slur or a Jew joke by referring the marginalized person over to some other thread they should have read.


You're right. I'm not trying to disrespect you at all, nor am I trying to marginalize your opinion. I was just giving a frame of reference for the comment. As you know, the person who started that thread used that exact same phrase - and the reaction to that person's comments consisted of ridicule, derision and flames. I think if someone comes in here and says something degrading based on sexual orientation, you can expect that most of the time, if the majority of us catch the comment, the response will be overwhelmingly negative. I know mine will be.
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Zaphod Kotobide
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07-18-2008 14:37
I'm one of them, and frankly it didn't bother me. I got a bit of a chuckle out of it.

From: Trout Recreant
There are quite a few gay and lesbian posters in these forums and I doubt sincerely that any degree of hatred towards someone based on their sexual orientation would be tolerated by the majority of us. i wouldn't tolerate it at all.
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07-18-2008 14:43
From: 3Ring Binder
where was it?


I don't remember the sim name but still have the LM in world if you wanted to see it.
Avion Raymaker
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07-18-2008 14:43
Okay, after making all the connections and finally following all the links, I sort of get the inside joke. But gay people are still the laughable pathetic sexual predators who can only score by deception, even in the lampooning of the behavior nobody else saw.

So I still think it stinks, and that this place has f***ing gone to the dogs.
Sling Trebuchet
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07-18-2008 14:43
My apologies... to anyone who misunderstood

As Trout recognised, I was referencing a troll thread.

My postings arising from the phrases used by the OP in that thread have become somewhat viral.
They are complete nonsense. Fluff!

I have nothing against gays.
Anyone who knows me would be totally unsurprised by that. ;)
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Lindal Kidd
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07-18-2008 14:46
Now that that's straightened out, can we get back to talking about contests, how to make money with them, and whether or not the people who do are sub-human slugs? That's much more fun.
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Lindal Kidd
Avion Raymaker
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07-18-2008 14:50
From: Sling Trebuchet
My apologies... to anyone who misunderstood

As Trout recognised, I was referencing a troll thread.

My postings arising from the phrases used by the OP in that thread have become somewhat viral.
They are complete nonsense. Fluff!

I have nothing against gays.
Anyone who knows me would be totally unsurprised by that. ;)



You're a good egg, Sling. Thank you for explaining. You can imagine how that looks to someone who didn't see the troll thread. I know your intentions are good and I'll forget about the whole thing.

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Ghosty Kips
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07-18-2008 14:51
From: Lindal Kidd
Now that that's straightened out, can we get back to talking about contests, how to make money with them, and whether or not the people who do are sub-human slugs? That's much more fun.


... and where we hunks sign up.

/flex
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Amity Slade
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07-18-2008 15:04
Well, if you want to run a successful exploitation business in Second Life, you have a large pool of residents who don't understand the Second Life economy, and poorly estimate the value of their time and effort. They are ripe for exploitation.

Keep in mind, though, that just as there are plenty of residents available for exploitation, there are quite a few entrepeneurs willing to exploit them. So it's not a matter of, "Build the sweatshop, and they will come," because there are too many competing sweatshops.

Particularly in the sexual exploitation markets, one strategy is to offer some sort of promise of status to workers in lieu of money. A common offer of status in lieu of money would be membership in an exclusive group (e.g., Suicide Girls). Some sort of fame (e.g., AVN Female Performer of the Year) could be another source of status, but it's not easy to work up fame within Second Life.
SweetDeb Kips
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07-18-2008 15:23
I wanna know when the contest begins... love ogling hot sexy sl contestants :)
Kira Cuddihy
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07-18-2008 15:24
I need "Linden's" where is it at. Do I have to wear the whole bikini or will just the tan lines work? I love how men's minds work.
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Trout Recreant
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07-18-2008 15:27
From: Kira Cuddihy
I need "Linden's" where is it at. Do I have to wear the whole bikini or will just the tan lines work? I love how men's minds work.


Tan lines work.
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Kira Cuddihy
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07-18-2008 15:31
From: Trout Recreant
Tan lines work.

Throw money at me please :)
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Trout Recreant
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07-18-2008 16:02
From: Kira Cuddihy
Throw money at me please :)


I spent it all on airplanes, shoes and tipping strippers. You're going to have to win the contest first.
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Gabriele Graves
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07-20-2008 18:26
I actually make these types of picture voting systems. Yes they are insanely popular. In fact mine is the only marketed one called Picture Voting Contest.

Yes I make a great income from them, though not anyway near the amount my customers do in running them. However I do not have to run them either and it is a lot of hard work to deal with all the complaints, help queries and accusations of cheating from voters and contestants. The people running the contests earn their money, night and day believe me.

There are a few simillar type systems out there also. Mine comes in several flavours, ranging from free to vote, pay to vote and daily, weekly, anytime voting and is highly customisable to fit in with club decor etc. In fact many of my systems are mistaken as being made by the group or club running them. To my knowledge mine is the only one that offers data backup/restore of the contest data also.

I would be interested to know if it was my system that was spotted. If you click on a picture (on the pay the vote version) and get a LM to The Black Orchid Market in Tamsi, then it is one of mine.

Hard to know where the exploitation comes into it really.
It is all good clean fun and you can customize them to be any type of contest that requires voting to win and all the pictures can be changed very easily.

I was shocked when I found out how popular they are and how much cheating will occur if you let it. I beleive mine to be the only system to have successfully made cheating an unviable option due to the way the results are measured.
Believe me though, people will pay and do anything to be the best and win. I do mean anything!

Many clubs that use them tell me it is one of the few ways of ensuring a profitable club. Tipping and escorts just do not provide anymore. That's life, and this is far more wholesome than stripping or escorting.
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Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Monalisa Robbiani
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07-20-2008 18:52
From: Sling Trebuchet
The guy runing the thing makes a killing and the fat bald homo guys behind the bikini avatars get to have lots of sex with horny straight guys.


LOL maybe "the guy running the thing" is a RL woman laughing her ass off? *g*
Rebecca Proudhon
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07-20-2008 20:24
Ah "World Peace"
Govindira Galatea
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07-20-2008 20:40
Captain of the French Police in Casablanca to Rick, the proprietor of "Rick's" nightclub: "I am shocked, shocked! to learn that gambling is going on here!"

Croupier to the Captain: "Here are your winnings, Monsieur Capitaine"

Captain: "Thank you. As I was saying, Rick: I am shocked to learn that gambling is going on here!"

(That's the best my memory can do. I think I haven't mangled it so much that the point is lost.)
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Gabriele Graves
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07-20-2008 20:44
From: Govindira Galatea
Captain of the French Police in Casablanca to Rick, the proprietor of "Rick's" nightclub: "I am shocked, shocked! to learn that gambling is going on here!"

Croupier to the Captain: "Here are your winnings, Monsieur Capitaine"

Captain: "Thank you. As I was saying, Rick: I am shocked to learn that gambling is going on here!"

(That's the best my memory can do. I think I haven't mangled it so much that the point is lost.)
*sighs* It is not gambling in any sense of the word (if that is your point).
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Trout Rating: I'm giving you an 8.2 on the Troutchter Earth-Movement Slut Scale. You are an amazing, enchanting woman, and, when the situation calls for it, a slut of the very best sort. Congratulations and shame on you!
Tegg Bode
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07-21-2008 00:07
From: Trout Recreant
ALTS! I didn't even think of that. I love you Kyllie! You saved me a fortune.
Man. I thought I was good. This guy is an evil mastermind! He's like the Steven Hawking of softcore porn!

Hmm I got it!
We announce a poll where people pay for best troll posts!
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