Corsica and Nautilus joined by Open Space sims
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-21-2007 10:35
Question to Residents: Did you expect this so soon?  LL have put 4 open space sims joining Nautilus to Corsica. One of the reasons my poor impoverished avatar lusted after Kinrara sim was that this was an obvious joining point. That and a whole sim with a whole island would have been nice. So I bought in the SE of Nebo. I'm a poor relation of Kinrara  Right now, the news sims won't let us in. PRETTY PLEASE LL!!!!!! I want to sail from Corsica to Nautilus. NOW! would be a good time 
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-21-2007 15:24
And soon afterwards, the sims were open. I sailed from Corsica and down the West coast of Nautilus and into the interior.
Then I found that LL have put more open space sims to join Nautilus to "the Continent to the south of Nautilus" (whatever it's going to be called). There are Linden sims on the Nautilus route that are only joined at the corners, so we are dependent on the goodwill of the owners of the other sims at the corners to leave the way open.
Nice one!
Plus no probs with sim-border-crossing apart from one slight ducking. Brilliant!
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Zaphod Kotobide
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10-21-2007 15:36
Hopefully all the continents will be joined similarly at some point. I still have a dream about being able to board my rusty old Huey and fly wherever the hell on the grid I feel like going.
Glad you got a little more freedom to move about the grid today.
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Conifer Dada
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10-21-2007 15:40
Time for me to build a boat.
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Felix Oxide
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10-21-2007 16:53
From: Conifer Dada Time for me to build a boat. Good luck finding a place to rez that boat since it seems to be the popular thing now to ruin water by building on it. I tried passing through to the open water and a security orb literally told me to "get out" and I was only passing through to get to the Linden water. They need protected waterways to the open water just like they have the Linden roads.
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FD Spark
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10-21-2007 18:32
I know this may sound like dumb question but what is a "Open Space Sim"? Is this Linden related or someone else running these?
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10-21-2007 19:30
I recently bought a two-seater raft I called the Kon-Tiki...NOW I can start a LONG journey! 
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Kitty Barnett
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10-21-2007 19:54
From: FD Spark I know this may sound like dumb question but what is a "Open Space Sim"? Is this Linden related or someone else running these? Open space sims refer to the "4-pack" of sims you can buy (if you own an existing private island). All 4 cost as much as 1 private sim in both purchase price and tier. The drawback is that each sim only get 1/8th the prim allotment of a normal sim. The idea is that a private sim owner might want a large area, that isn't necessarily prim-heavy (like what LL is doing here). LL tends to use full blown sims for their water sims though, but then they don't have tier to pay  (although on the flipside they could convert each LL owned water sim to 4 of them and substantially increase the mass of water around the mainland continents at no extra cost to them).
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Sling Trebuchet
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10-22-2007 01:26
From: Felix Oxide Good luck finding a place to rez that boat since it seems to be the popular thing now to ruin water by building on it. I tried passing through to the open water and a security orb literally told me to "get out" and I was only passing through to get to the Linden water.
They need protected waterways to the open water just like they have the Linden roads. The watery equivalent of Linden roads exist all over Corsica. There's a system of narrow Linden waterways connecting all of the open Linden water sims. Some of the Linden roads run into the Linden waterways - which is interesting - scope for amphibious vehicles  I'd prefer to encounter a polite(ish) security orb than a set of ban lines  Plus: If you were to wander about the Linden protected water sims, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you found ones that allowed build. 
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Stephen Zenith
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10-22-2007 01:46
From: Felix Oxide Good luck finding a place to rez that boat since it seems to be the popular thing now to ruin water by building on it. I tried passing through to the open water and a security orb literally told me to "get out" and I was only passing through to get to the Linden water.
They need protected waterways to the open water just like they have the Linden roads. If you're paying tier for that water, you've got every right to build on it or allow access as you see fit. It's exactly the same as land, only a bit wetter 
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Felix Oxide
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10-22-2007 02:31
From: Sling Trebuchet I'd prefer to encounter a polite(ish) security orb than a set of ban lines Yeah I hear that. I was just lucky I was on my jetski and not my sailboat. My sailboat would have never been able to get out of range with in the very generous 5 seconds the orb was set to. 
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Felix Oxide
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10-22-2007 02:33
From: Stephen Zenith If you're paying tier for that water, you've got every right to build on it or allow access as you see fit. It's exactly the same as land, only a bit wetter  Not arguing with that. I agree, but then again it woudn't kill them to allow quick passage either.
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Stephen Zenith
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10-22-2007 02:37
From: Felix Oxide Not arguing with that. I agree, but then again it woudn't kill them to allow quick passage either. It's strange how people expect rights of passage on water that they don't expect on land. If a Linden road ends at somebodys parcel, then continues on the other side, would you demand the land-owner keeps an open passage through?
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Felix Oxide
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10-22-2007 02:40
From: Stephen Zenith It's strange how people expect rights of passage on water that they don't expect on land. If a Linden road ends at somebodys parcel, then continues on the other side, would you demand the land-owner keeps an open passage through? Well it's no more strange than putting fake land on water when there is more than enough land to build on. Why selfishly waste a resource?
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Stephen Zenith
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10-22-2007 03:13
From: Felix Oxide Well it's no more strange than putting fake land on water when there is more than enough land to build on. Why selfishly waste a resource? How is it selfish? The person doing the building pays for the right to do what they want with the land!
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Victorria Paine
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10-22-2007 03:19
Yes, you have the right to do it, but it sucks to do it all the same. It wrecks the landscape, paves it down underfoot and destroys the water landscape that is native to the sim and pleasing to the eye. Sure, you can develop it to reap your ROI, but it still sucks to see all the water that isn't a protected channel get paved down.
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Stephen Zenith
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10-22-2007 03:34
From: Victorria Paine Yes, you have the right to do it, but it sucks to do it all the same. It wrecks the landscape, paves it down underfoot and destroys the water landscape that is native to the sim and pleasing to the eye. Sure, you can develop it to reap your ROI, but it still sucks to see all the water that isn't a protected channel get paved down. Personally, I don't pave it down. I have some decking out into the water, but I don't think that's unreasonable. I do however have banlines on over my water, and I get complaints that the protected channel along the middle of the sim is too narrow. Well, complain to LL, not me. They sold the sim years ago and made money based on the non-protected area in the sim, I don't see why I should be required to make up for their greediness. I didn't buy the plot because of the water, I bought it because it was part of a parcel that included a lot of land next to the land I already had.
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Dekka Raymaker
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10-22-2007 03:42
You could set up a 'Toll Fee', ie parcel pass, those who genuinely want to use the water to sail through would pay, those who's intentions might not be favourable, would go elsewhere. Maybe L$10 for the parcel pass?
I just think anything anyone can do to help other residents far out weighs anything you can do to make their experience bad.
But yes you have every right to do what you like, personally in a 3D platform 'game' I will never understand the need for barriers.
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Malachi Petunia
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10-22-2007 05:03
From: Stephen Zenith I do however have banlines on over my water, and I get complaints that the protected channel along the middle of the sim is too narrow. Well, complain to LL, not me. They sold the sim years ago and made money based on the non-protected area in the sim, I don't see why I should be required to make up for their greediness. Amen, brother. Don't let NOBODY share your water, fuckin' freeloaders, oughta be paying you TOLLS fer cripessake. Put big concrete RAMPARTS in. If people complain, put more in. Did you know that you can obstuct 4.9 extra meters of Linden water if you want? Game needs more right thinking people like you. Sailboaters passing through MY waters really pisses me off, that's why I shoot 'em. How's that saying go? "It takes a village to build an idiot". Yep, yep, yep.
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Zaphod Kotobide
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10-22-2007 05:32
Indeed. My place is well above the water line, so I don't get boaters. Instead, I get people who seem to think it's okay to just casually WALK across my property. Unbelievable! I've placed signs all over my property now.. "Recreational Players will be Shot On Sight" From: Malachi Petunia Amen, brother. Don't let NOBODY share your water, fuckin' freeloaders, oughta be paying you TOLLS fer cripessake. Put big concrete RAMPARTS in. If people complain, put more in. Did you know that you can obstuct 4.9 extra meters of Linden water if you want? Game needs more right thinking people like you. Sailboaters passing through MY waters really pisses me off, that's why I shoot 'em. How's that saying go? "It takes a village to build an idiot". Yep, yep, yep.
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Stephen Zenith
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10-22-2007 05:35
From: Malachi Petunia Amen, brother. Don't let NOBODY share your water, fuckin' freeloaders, oughta be paying you TOLLS fer cripessake. Put big concrete RAMPARTS in. If people complain, put more in. Did you know that you can obstuct 4.9 extra meters of Linden water if you want? Game needs more right thinking people like you. Sailboaters passing through MY waters really pisses me off, that's why I shoot 'em. How's that saying go? "It takes a village to build an idiot". Yep, yep, yep. I don't want to be paid for it, somebody else suggested that.
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Malachi Petunia
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10-22-2007 05:38
From: Stephen Zenith I don't want to be paid for it, somebody else suggested that. But what about the RAMPARTS and the SHOOTING? Surely those are more valuable than MONEY! p.s. can I be your FRIEND?
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Stephen Zenith
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10-22-2007 05:38
From: Zaphod Kotobide Indeed. My place is well above the water line, so I don't get boaters. Instead, I get people who seem to think it's okay to just casually WALK across my property. Unbelievable! I've placed signs all over my property now..
"Recreational Players will be Shot On Sight" That's actually my point - if you have ban lines up and people want to walk across, they go around. When it comes to boaters though, they expect different treatment - even when there's already a protected channel where they want to go.
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Malachi Petunia
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10-22-2007 05:48
From: Stephen Zenith That's actually my point - if you have ban lines up and people want to walk across, they go around. When it comes to boaters though, they expect different treatment - even when there's already a protected channel where they want to go. I guess a helpful, considerate neighbor like you has put CHANNEL MARKERS out to help guide those HIGH-FALUTIN' boaters, eh? Don't want them INADVERTENTLY crashing on your ban lines, HUH? Or maybe you're one of those Siren types and are ANTHROPOPHAGOUS? p.s. Can I still be your friend? I would like to help you better monetize YOUR water.
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Stephen Zenith
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10-22-2007 05:55
From: Malachi Petunia I guess a helpful, considerate neighbor like you has put CHANNEL MARKERS out to help guide those HIGH-FALUTIN' boaters, eh? Don't want them INADVERTENTLY crashing on your ban lines, HUH? Or maybe you're one of those Siren types and are ANTHROPOPHAGOUS? p.s. Can I still be your friend? I would like to help you better monetize YOUR water. And... I think we're done here.
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