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Has LL recanted realeasing more land?

Jackson Rickenbacker
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01-31-2008 11:34
Full Region Auctions Are Back!
http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/01/29/full-region-auctions-are-back/

This blog was posted on Jan 28th 2008, but here currently jan 31st 2008 there is no full sims on the auction block.

Did LL actually hear the outpouring of negativity concerning the topic and decide to recant thier original plans? Did LL hear something in the protests that actually made sense to them? Will LL ever have a true voice again to speak with residents in a open forum?

I like several others where are Jack Lindens office Wednesday 1PM SLT for Jacks office hours, (Meeting on land issues).. well out of all the peole that did show up, would you like to know who didnt show up....Thanks Jack.

I would think since this is not a gaming platform like WoW this is a platform taht encourages investment in it, and with investment should come some kind of accountability on the investee's part, but rather than more interaction with a growning investors base, LL has opted for less interaction, which goes against every grain imaginable.

To not show up for your own office meeting was inexcusable, uncomphrehensionable and irresponsible. If my employee had done that, he surely would have been fired, let alone the BONEHEADED idea to start releasing more land, which I can only presume was Jacks direct call since he heads up that department.

Jack, message here my friend... start living up to obligations you made to your company, and to the residents who depend on you to steer the land market in the right direction. If you cant do that Im sure we can have 100's of letters sent to LL from the most heavily invested and powerful residents requesting change
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01-31-2008 11:42
Well, it could also be because the auction website is having issues, just posted today:
http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/01/31/second-life-auction-website-issue/

Very possibly the same issues crippling the rest of SL's website. I get 503's no matter what I'm doing on the website, not just the forums.
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01-31-2008 11:50
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
let alone the BONEHEADED idea to start releasing more land, which I can only presume was Jacks direct call since he heads up that department.


:rolleyes:

You filthy land baron. Get a proper job.
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01-31-2008 11:51
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
Did LL actually hear the outpouring of negativity concerning the topic


Was there really an outpouring of negativity concerning the topic?

I went over and looked - the majority of what I saw was the standard negativity that's attached to just about any blog entry Linden makes. :o
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01-31-2008 11:51
People are getting 503's trying to buy L$ and I'm getting 503's trying to access my transaction history so I can help a customer who didn't get an item. I'm also getting it when doing pretty much anything on the website.. including looking at the auctions.
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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01-31-2008 11:55
From: 2k Suisei
:rolleyes:

You filthy land baron. Get a proper job.


Widdle ole me, land baron? my tiers only 40USD a month for mainland, but theres alot more issues with mainland than a sever shortage of it..
1 adfarms
2 unfinished Linden construicts, (railroads, roads, etc)
3 Landbots
4 greif builds
5 object chat spam

list could go on for a mile
Jackson Rickenbacker
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01-31-2008 11:58
From: Travis Lambert
Was there really an outpouring of negativity concerning the topic?

I went over and looked - the majority of what I saw was the standard negativity that's attached to just about any blog entry Linden makes. :o


90 some posts, granted 20 are from the same person... but out of the 70 left where condeming releasing new land, I think only 1 post welcoming it... you got to have a oddball in there somewhere.....
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01-31-2008 12:02
they would sell lots more land If they could get the auction site to work



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the fools who run this place or those fools that won't leave
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01-31-2008 12:05
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01-31-2008 12:06
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
Widdle ole me, land baron? my tiers only 40USD a month for mainland, but theres alot more issues with mainland than a sever shortage of it..
1 adfarms
2 unfinished Linden construicts, (railroads, roads, etc)
3 Landbots
4 greif builds
5 object chat spam

list could go on for a mile


Lots more land will help to alleviate most of the problems you've listed.
shiney Sprocket
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01-31-2008 12:08
I was more then happy to hear there would be some new land. The prices out there right now are stupid high, and I'd love the ability to purchase a full mainland sim.
Jackson Rickenbacker
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01-31-2008 12:20
From: 2k Suisei
503



love that 503!

1 adfarms - new land wont be immuned to adfarms
2 unfinished Linden construicts, (railroads, roads, etc)
3 Landbots - new land wont be immuned to landbots
4 greif builds - new land wont be immuned to greif builds
5 object chat spam - new land wont be immuned to object chat spam

As a matter of fact new land will only add more area for these things to happen

Last year at this time land was selling for 15-16 L$ per meter, so I dont think Lindens concern for reasonably priced land is the motivation behind new land. Even though some residents may have been born yesterday, we are not a community of nincompoops (spelling?), Lindens aren't the only smart residents in SL. Unused servers in the warehouse means lost profit. Why cant LL just comeout and say on a blog....

"Though we realize mainland esthetical quality has gone down considerably over the past year, and our refusal to stop the propgation of landbots which clearly takes upto 70% of the resources we initially dedicated to the resident population, in combination with continueing to allow scripted objects to shout chatspam on the general chat channel. We have alot of servers we initially purchased sometime last year that aren't making us the money we projected, therefore we are going to stick it to yah again. Dont worry about the economy because we can always have Supply Linden inject more L$ into the economy, though artificially inflating the economy historically is a bad thing in the real world, we are confident that we can both devalue the investment in us made by others while at the same time increase our profit margin."
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Jackson Rickenbacker
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01-31-2008 12:24
From: shiney Sprocket
I was more then happy to hear there would be some new land. The prices out there right now are stupid high, and I'd love the ability to purchase a full mainland sim.



If you think the prices for land are high by the plot, you'll really flip on the intial cost of a full mainland sim....
Comparatively, the cost of land is not historically high, and cost of land is relavant since as long as LL doesnt drop a crapload of sims on us again, your land value stays the same or increases, the only time that land prices being stupidly high is just cause for alarm, is when LL decides to oversaturate the market and devalue everyones land
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01-31-2008 12:27
From: Jackson Rickenbacker

Last year at this time land was selling for 15-16 L$ per meter, so I dont think Lindens concern for reasonably priced land is the motivation behind new land. Even though some residents may have been born yesterday, we are not a community of nincompoops (spelling?), Lindens aren't the only smart residents in SL. Unused servers in the warehouse means lost profit. Why cant LL just comeout and say on a blog....


15-16 L$ a Square meter? Last year?
Not the land I was buying & selling. I bought and sold land almost exactly a year ago for L$8 sq. m.

I'd personally never pay as high as L$15/sq m for mainland.
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01-31-2008 12:28
Land search inworld shows four full sims are on the auction block. The only problem is no one can bid on them.

Ignore 2K, Jackson. His only purpose on this forum is to try to be funny and start flame wars.
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01-31-2008 12:33
From: shiney Sprocket
15-16 L$ a Square meter? Last year?
Not the land I was buying & selling. I bought and sold land almost exactly a year ago for L$8 sq. m.

I'd personally never pay as high as L$15/sq m for mainland.


huh? I know I wasnt the only one here buying and selling land last year, your nuckin futs if you where buying last year for 8L$ per meter maybe as the summer ragged on and LL bombarded the market, but in January last yeat prices where still way up there
Jackson Rickenbacker
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01-31-2008 12:39
heres another tidbit

SECOND LIFE, Dec 7 2007 (Reuters) - Linden Lab said on Friday that it expects to keep land ownership fees constant through the first quarter of 2008, and that it plans to keep the land supply constant by //// only replacing abandoned parcels. ////

read the article here
http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2007/12/07/linden-lab-sees-land-supply-prices-flat-through-q1/
shiney Sprocket
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01-31-2008 12:39
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huh? I know I wasnt the only one here buying and selling land last year, your nuckin futs if you where buying last year for 8L$ per meter maybe as the summer ragged on and LL bombarded the market, but in January last yeat prices where still way up there


Just checked into it,

was 07-06-2007 and land was purchased under L$9 sq m and sold for 11.49 sq m. Was a 16K sq m plot.

Seemed so much longer ago :D
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01-31-2008 12:40
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
love that 503!

1 adfarms - new land wont be immuned to adfarms
2 unfinished Linden construicts, (railroads, roads, etc)
3 Landbots - new land wont be immuned to landbots
4 greif builds - new land wont be immuned to greif builds
5 object chat spam - new land wont be immuned to object chat spam


I didn't say it makes us immune, I said it alleviates the problems. But only for as long as LL keeps the mainland from being overcrowded and bringing in more land.
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01-31-2008 12:43
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I didn't say it makes us immune, I said it alleviates the problems. But only for as long as LL keeps the mainland from being overcrowded and bringing in more land.
All that yellow out there is mainland sitting for sale. With no crowds in sight. Some sims may be overcrowded with rotating ads, but that's the only use of the word I can see actually pertaining to the mainland and releasing more sims won't solve that.
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01-31-2008 12:45
Just a guestamation but with the current 54000 residents on with a total of 12390 sims that would mean there is about 4.3 residents per sim if evenly spread over the grid.

Which of course we know that more residents are hanging out on private sims so look to that total online poulation of residents on the mainland to be less than 4.3 per sim....

Do we really need more mainland?
shiney Sprocket
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01-31-2008 12:48
From: Jackson Rickenbacker
Just a guestamation but with the current 54000 residents on with a total of 12390 sims that would mean there is about 4.3 residents per sim if evenly spread over the grid.

Which of course we know that more residents are hanging out on private sims so look to that total online poulation of residents on the mainland to be less than 4.3 per sim....

Do we really need more mainland?


Yes, we need more sales of large hunks of mainland, Less chopped up parcel sales.
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01-31-2008 12:48
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Ignore 2K, Jackson. His only purpose on this forum is to try to be funny and start flame wars.


Unlike Raymond who is here to find the cure for cancer and make the world a better place.
2k Suisei
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01-31-2008 12:50
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All that yellow out there is mainland sitting for sale. With no crowds in sight. Some sims may be overcrowded with rotating ads, but that's the only use of the word I can see actually pertaining to the mainland and releasing more sims won't solve that.


Why are you afraid of yellow?.
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01-31-2008 12:53
From: shiney Sprocket
Yes, we need more sales of large hunks of mainland, Less chopped up parcel sales.



So right 4.3 residents per sim is way too crowded, especially considering the percentage of premium members is less than 25% so that would mean each sim has one paying member online at any given time and that member is taken on the burden of SL's expenses, and for that we dont have a voice, a represnative, nor a Linden to talk to

There is no good reason for new land, and only alot of bad reasons. if you think new land is a good thing, then say why you think is a good reason
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