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Brendan Cale
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09-25-2007 14:36
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9783723-7.html?tag=nefd.blgs

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For some time now, we here at CNET News.com have been hearing whispers that Google might be looking to get into the virtual world space, particularly in light of the increasing interest of existing environments like Second Life, and the success of Google Earth and the search giant's purchase of the Sketchup technology.

Well, now we might finally be on to something. According to TechCrunch, Google may already be testing its own 3D virtual world technology, in a secret experiment at Arizona State University.

And according to a report published Monday from eMarketer, Google is "planning enhancements to Google Earth to let users connect virtually with one another."

To be sure, there's no doubt that Google has the resources, especially with Sketchup and Google Earth, to build a vast and powerful 3D virtual world. To many, they're very likely the only ones who could ramp up such an operation and quickly make it successful.

But the key to a really vital virtual world is user-created content. And while users of services like Sketchup could easily import huge amounts of precreated 3D content into a Google-run virtual world, it wouldn't be the kind of new, emergent content that populates Second Life and, to a lesser extent, There.

What that means is that a Google virtual world would still take a long time to have the wide variety and total diversity that it would need to catch the popular imagination. Of course, it would almost certainly have a technological superiority to the shaky Second Life platform, and that could go a long way to bringing in mass numbers of users. But, it would not be an overnight thing.

If it's even happening. And with rumors being what they are, you never know.

A Google spokesman offered this comment: "We're always looking for new ways to help our users connect with each other, share information, and express themselves, but we don't have any new details to share at this time."

The report follows on the heels late last week of a TechCrunch blog item saying that Google will announce a set of APIs on November 5 that will allow developers to "leverage Google's social graph data. They'll start with Orkut and iGoogle (Google's personalized home page), and expand from there to include Gmail, Google Talk and other Google services over time."

The move is designed, according to TechCrunch's anonymous sources, to address the "Facebook issue."
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09-25-2007 14:57
Intriguing. Talk about scaling problems going away!!
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09-25-2007 15:02
If the Googleplex gets involved count on a few things:

(1) no respect for privacy whatsoever -- you will be relentlessly tracked, every place you go, everything you buy, every bloody keystroke you make will be tracked and pasted into a database to be used by the 'Plex to sell ads or simply to sell;

(2) the bloody system will work;

(3) you will be able to do whatever the hell you want, because Google doesnt give a shit, they are the ten billion pound gorilla, they have a very different position vis-a-vis the FBI than our small LL friends do -- Google doesnt care what you do, as long as they know everything it is that you do; and

(4) goodbye SL.
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09-25-2007 15:04
I disagree - gambling would still be prohibited, unless the UIGEA is repealed. And I doubt they would permit ageplay. What they wouldn't do is schmooze us with this "trust" BS and use Integrity(less) as their third party verification service.
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09-25-2007 15:06
From: Cristalle Karami
I disagree - gambling would still be prohibited, unless the UIGEA is repealed. And I doubt they would permit ageplay. What they wouldn't do is schmooze us with this "trust" BS and use Integrity(less) as their third party verification service.


Yes they would comply with clear laws like the UIGEA. On everything else in my view they would shrug, I think, to be honest.
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09-25-2007 15:11
From: Victorria Paine
Yes they would comply with clear laws like the UIGEA. On everything else in my view they would shrug, I think, to be honest.

I don't think Google would entertain the kind of press LL got over ageplay. Google, even more than LL, is a global company with far deeper pockets. They too would have to eschew things like the pixellated depiction of sex with minors to comport with European laws (whereas in America, our SCT lets that occur). Would they depend on us to snitch on each other to rat it out? Probably. As large and great as Google is, they are not omniscient.

Methinks not much would change due to the legal implications. All things being equal, gimme the platform that works!
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09-25-2007 15:13
i for one welcome our new google overlords
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09-25-2007 15:16
From: Cristalle Karami
I don't think Google would entertain the kind of press LL got over ageplay. Google, even more than LL, is a global company with far deeper pockets. They too would have to eschew things like the pixellated depiction of sex with minors to comport with European laws (whereas in America, our SCT lets that occur). Would they depend on us to snitch on each other to rat it out? Probably. As large and great as Google is, they are not omniscient.

Methinks not much would change due to the legal implications. All things being equal, gimme the platform that works!


I dunno .. Google is pretty teflon about bad press. They've gotten a lot of it in terms of being accused of trying to take over the world, or invading people's privacy with GoogleStreetView --- yet they pretty much keep on trucking. They may follow the same policy as LL on ageplay, for prudential reasons. But to be honest the entire philosophy of Google is that they are not responsible for the *content* of what is reachable on their various platforms. They just set up the platforms and list the content. I'm almost certain that this philosophy, which runs very deep at Google, would inform their approach to a VR project. I would be stunned if they behaved otherwise, to be honest.
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09-25-2007 15:18
From: Victorria Paine
I dunno .. Google is pretty teflon about bad press. They've gotten a lot of it in terms of being accused of trying to take over the world, or invading people's privacy with GoogleStreetView --- yet they pretty much keep on trucking. They may follow the same policy as LL on ageplay, for prudential reasons. But to be honest the entire philosophy of Google is that they are not responsible for the *content* of what is reachable on their various platforms. They just set up the platforms and list the content. I'm almost certain that this philosophy, which runs very deep at Google, would inform their approach to a VR project. I would be stunned if they behaved otherwise, to be honest.

I understand. They would probably skip the age verification thing and act like *gasp* every other adultish content provider out there and require you to acknowledge that you are over 18 as a condition to entry. That would be better than selling out to Integrity(less).
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09-25-2007 15:20
From: Cristalle Karami
I understand. They would probably skip the age verification thing and act like *gasp* every other adultish content provider out there and require you to acknowledge that you are over 18 as a condition to entry. That would be better than selling out to Integrity(less).


Hehe, yes!

And we would almost certainly have a stable platform. I've worked with most of Google's platforms, and to be honest I find them stellar.

DISCLAIMER: I am also a Google shareholder, although in light of the exorbitant price of the shares in absolute terms, I do not hold very many shares.
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09-25-2007 15:27
From: Cristalle Karami
I understand. They would probably skip the age verification thing and act like *gasp* every other adultish content provider out there and require you to acknowledge that you are over 18 as a condition to entry. That would be better than selling out to Integrity(less).


Why would they make it a 18+ world? If its Google it will be for "Everyone" Kind of like the Borg.

They might have a 18+ content area idea though.
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09-25-2007 15:29
From: Carli Dancer
Why would they make it a 18+ world? If its Google it will be for "Everyone" Kind of like the Borg.

They might have a 18+ content area idea though.


Sort of like the search function they have now .. safe search or not, based on an affirmation screen.
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09-25-2007 15:30
"increasing success"? How is that measured? What is increasing other than the number of times I successfully log in as Ruth?
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09-25-2007 15:30
Few want to face the truth.

There will be a cacophony of worlds. No universal standard.

And yeah, it will kinda suck.

But in the discord, there will be freedom.
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09-25-2007 15:31
From: Desmond Shang
Few want to face the truth.

There will be a cacophony of worlds. No universal standard.

And yeah, it will kinda suck.

But in the discord, there will be freedom.


Don't you think, though, that a megaplex will emerge out of the chaos? There are many reasons to think that this will happen, certainly not at first, but eventually.
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09-25-2007 15:32
The thing that came to my mind is the prospect of having the ability to own your 'actual
virtual land' that is land that you currently own in real life on a geographically correct virtual platform.
Clearly Google would be one of if not the company best positioned to be able to achieve
this with some kind of integration or borrowed tech from Google Earth.
Then perhaps options such as Actual Virtual Land or Imaginary virtual Land.
A geographically correct virtual platform would definitely be interesting but you could run
into the problem of someone else buying your actual virtual property before you do, haha.
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09-25-2007 15:33
From: Desmond Shang
Few want to face the truth.

There will be a cacophony of worlds. No universal standard.

And yeah, it will kinda suck.

But in the discord, there will be freedom.
Why would any legitimate competition suck? All I see it doing is forcing LL to actually provide some customer service.
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From: Victorria Paine
If the Googleplex gets involved count on a few things:

(1) no respect for privacy whatsoever -- you will be relentlessly tracked, every place you go, everything you buy, every bloody keystroke you make will be tracked and pasted into a database to be used by the 'Plex to sell ads or simply to sell;
...
(4) goodbye SL.
Point 1 has serious implications. Searching by relevance, and content delivery by relevance would be really, really powerful and would simplify the shopping immensely. Think of it as the SheepBot, but official. Camping would be miniscule, if it exists at all (there will always be magnanimous people offering camping for noobs).

There wouldn't be much need for third party services like SLX or OnRez because search wouldn't be the anemic chihuahua that it is now. The power to find things for sale would be built into the engine.

What would this economy look like? Hmmmm.
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09-25-2007 15:35
From: Cristalle Karami
Point 1 has serious implications. Searching by relevance, and content delivery by relevance would be really, really powerful and would simplify the shopping immensely. Think of it as the SheepBot, but official. Camping would be miniscule, if it exists at all (there will always be magnanimous people offering camping for noobs).

There wouldn't be much need for third party services like SLX or OnRez because search wouldn't be the anemic chihuahua that it is now. The power to find things for sale would be built into the engine.

What would this economy look like? Hmmmm.


Yes, I agree Cris. Certainly if Google sets up a VR platform, whatever searches embedded in it will be Google-ized and therefore tracked, stored and deployed. It would change much.
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09-25-2007 15:36
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Why would some legitimate competition suck? All I see it doing is forcing LL to actually provide customer service.


Not in terms of competition; not even discussing that issue here - not relevant.

More in terms of: there won't be a 'universal world' - we'll still have friends in other worlds such that we'll have to log out of one app and load another to go visit their areas.

HTML is fairly universal for instance; yes there are a zillion other ways to use the internet but HTML is the dominant method for most people.

I'm just saying: This won't be the case for the metaverse. In fact, that's what I see the Company trying hardest to do: to set the standard with the second life grid. While it's a great goal, I doubt it is gonna happen.
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09-25-2007 15:37
From: Victorria Paine
Don't you think, though, that a megaplex will emerge out of the chaos? There are many reasons to think that this will happen, certainly not at first, but eventually.
Personally, no I don't. I think 3D environment toolsets (there will be many) will enable a plethora of different worlds. The pressure for conformance and blandness within SL will disappear when 3rd party servers really get cranking ... and even more so when there is a multiplicity of platforms. I think it will be a megaplex only in the sense that the current internet is a megaplex.

I wish Frank Herbert were alive. We will witness the splintering of this SL community ... to seed ... oh so many worlds!
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09-25-2007 15:38
From: Victorria Paine
Don't you think, though, that a megaplex will emerge out of the chaos? There are many reasons to think that this will happen, certainly not at first, but eventually.


Nah I think Desmond is right. As it becomes easier to make a virtual world similair to Second Life, you will see more and more of them.

It will be just like the net has always been - Chaotic and disorganized. The more competing worlds, the more likely youll be able to find one that will match your needs.

Google will probably be more slick and overproduced becuase its big money. It probably will also have less freedom than Second Life, becuase they will want advertizing money. Any adult stuff that exist will be very strictly segregated away from the general "world"

I dont think Google produces Adult websites now, they just provide a search function for them. A virtual world running on Google's servers wouldnt be the same.

Of course someday as Virtual worlds become common and there are hundreds of them, you have to assume Google will let you search them. :p .
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09-25-2007 15:40
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Not in terms of competition; not even discussing that issue here - not relevant.

More in terms of: there won't be a 'universal world' - we'll still have friends in other worlds such that we'll have to log out of one app and load another to go visit their areas.

HTML is fairly universal for instance; yes there are a zillion other ways to use the internet but HTML is the dominant method for most people.

I'm just saying: This won't be the case for the metaverse. In fact, that's what I see the Company trying hardest to do: to set the standard with the second life grid. While it's a great goal, I doubt it is gonna happen.
Gotcha. But this too could be a good thing, especially if everyone I dislike moves to a different world.
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09-25-2007 15:42
From: Victorria Paine
Don't you think, though, that a megaplex will emerge out of the chaos? There are many reasons to think that this will happen, certainly not at first, but eventually.


No, not really.

Market forces pretty much tear down unified standards and fragment them into a million bits.

Consider:

over 18 -vs- kid friendly

western standards for women -vs- saudi arabian standards for women

ability to speak about politics -vs- chinese govt. policy


That's just three.
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09-25-2007 15:42
I dunno.

I think there is a vision for a one standard platform. Perhaps far fetched ... maybe. There are reasons of scale, however, that make such a platform more attractive to all users -- commercial, social and creative -- than a plethora of isolated, specialized, non-interactive platforms. The internet as it stands is a unified platform. I think people have become used to this. If there is to be a "3d Internet", I expect many will want one platform for it, as they have become used to in the 2d internet.

We'll have to see, of course, and none of us has a crystal ball. But I'm not at all convinced that there will not be a convergence in the medium term. To me it just has too many advantages to not be seriously attractive to many people.
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