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10-24-2007 15:45
From: Gomez Bracken Which also begs the question - where DO the other 24 prims go if you carve the region into 512's  Gomez They go *poof!* But if you think wasting 24 prims is bad, look at what happens if you carved a whole sim into invidual 16 sq m parcels each owned by a different Avatar. You would waste 2712 prims. Not to mention, you would create the worst region in the entire virtual universe. Confiscation of 2712 prims would be WAY too light of a punishment.
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10-24-2007 15:51
I still dont know from the answer is here to my question as to whether the most number of prims you can have on a 512 sq is 117 (and I mean as determined by lindens and not by pooling prims from other squares)
If 117 isnt the limits was is ?
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10-24-2007 15:57
The limit is 15000 if you own the whole sim. For example, I own a sim of mainland. If I wanted to, I could put 15000 prims on one 512 parcel as long as I did not put any elsewhere.
More realistically, you could buy 2048 meters of land on a sim and have 468 prims on 512.
This brings up an advantage of renting...since I have a lot of open water on my sim, I can offer renters 300 prims on plots that should have less prims allowed.
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10-24-2007 15:57
From: Maelstrom Janus I still dont know from the answer is here to my question as to whether the most number of prims you can have on a 512 sq is 117 (and I mean as determined by lindens and not by pooling prims from other squares)
If 117 isnt the limits was is ? Maelstrom, If all you own is the 512 on mainland, then all you get is 117 prims. If you own a whole sim, then you can put 15,000 prims on the 512 parcel. There is nothing special about a 512 parcel in this at all. It's just sort of a standard plot, that conveniently divides 128 times into a whole sim. However much land you own in the sim, you divide that by 65536. Then that proportion that you end up with is the proportion of 15000 prims that you get, and you can put them anywhere you want, on as small a parcel as they will fit on.
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10-24-2007 15:58
From: Avion Raymaker Maelstrom,
If all you own is the 512 on mainland, then all you get is 117 prims.
If you own a whole sim, then you can put 15,000 prims on the 512 parcel.
There is nothing special about a 512 parcel in this at all. It's just sort of a standard plot, that conveniently divides 128 times into a whole sim. However much land you own in the sim, you divide that by 65536. Then that proportion that you end up with is the proportion of 15000 prims that you get, and you can put them anywhere you want, on as small a parcel as they will fit on. Jinx!
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10-24-2007 16:10
From: Avion Raymaker Maelstrom,
If all you own is the 512 on mainland, then all you get is 117 prims.
If you own a whole sim, then you can put 15,000 prims on the 512 parcel.
There is nothing special about a 512 parcel in this at all. It's just sort of a standard plot, that conveniently divides 128 times into a whole sim. However much land you own in the sim, you divide that by 65536. Then that proportion that you end up with is the proportion of 15000 prims that you get, and you can put them anywhere you want, on as small a parcel as they will fit on. Normally 512 plots are sold with 117 prims correct because that is what the number of prims in a region divide out as. I KNOW I can use the prim allotment as I want. What Im asking is can Lindens increase the number of prims available across the board? Maybe I made my mistake in using what I consider to be the most regular 'small' area of land made for sale.
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10-24-2007 16:13
ie can lindens increase the prim count so that if you split a region up there would be more than 117 in a 512 square.........
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if Lindens increased the number so we all found ourselves with a sudden increase of prims as if by magic.
Has that made it simple enough ?
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10-24-2007 16:14
or to put it another way -
ie can lindens increase the prim count so that if you split a region up there would be more than 117 in a 512 square.........
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if Lindens increased the number so we all found ourselves with a sudden increase of prims as if by magic.
Has that made it simple enough ?
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10-24-2007 16:15
From: Maelstrom Janus Normally 512 plots are sold with 117 prims correct because that is what the number of prims in a region divide out as. I KNOW I can use the prim allotment as I want.
What Im asking is can Lindens increase the number of prims available across the board? Maybe I made my mistake in using what I consider to be the most regular 'small' area of land made for sale. Yes they could. They won't because they don't want to tax the servers and they want you to buy more land because the more you buy the higher your monthly fees. End of story.
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10-24-2007 16:17
From: Raymond Figtree Yes they could. They won't because they don't want to tax the servers and they want you to buy more land because the more you buy the higher your monthly fees.
End of story. You confirmed exactly what I thought.
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10-24-2007 16:23
From: Maelstrom Janus You confirmed exactly what I thought. Just one avatar's opinion. Hard not to be cynical in the post first-land era. Especially since I am paying $195 a month for my prims. Maybe when we get a million new premium memberships as a result of tonight's CSI episode, they will increase our prim limits. 
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10-24-2007 18:20
From: Raymond Figtree Jinx! And our numbers match!
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10-24-2007 18:51
Maelstrom,
Of course they COULD increase prims per sim. That's been made clear several times. The problem is that the sim servers are already taxed as it is. How often have you teleported somewhere, only to find your hair or your shoes up your butt, or missing altogether? How often have you tried to rez an object, only to be told that you were "unable" to do so? Can you imagine how much more difficult this would be if, instead of 15000 prims per sim, we could use 20,000 or 25,000?
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10-24-2007 19:30
From: Oryx Tempel Maelstrom,
Of course they COULD increase prims per sim. That's been made clear several times. The problem is that the sim servers are already taxed as it is. How often have you teleported somewhere, only to find your hair or your shoes up your butt, or missing altogether? How often have you tried to rez an object, only to be told that you were "unable" to do so? Can you imagine how much more difficult this would be if, instead of 15000 prims per sim, we could use 20,000 or 25,000? Ohhhh, 25,000 prims,....... sorry, was drooling thinking about what I'd do with it
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10-25-2007 00:55
From: Maelstrom Janus I still dont know from the answer is here to my question as to whether the most number of prims you can have on a 512 sq is 117 (and I mean as determined by lindens and not by pooling prims from other squares)
If 117 isnt the limits was is ? Did you miss the 40 times the answer was yes, a 512 SUPPORTS 117 prims? Here's how it works: 1. A sim has a total of 15000 prims. 2. if you own ONE 512 square meter lot, you're allocated 117 prims for that lot. That's what that paticular parcel supports. However, if you own more land IN THE SAME SIM, you can use the prims from the other land on the 512. Therefore, if you own the whole sim, you could create a single 4 meter by 4 meter, 16 square meter lot, and put all 15000 prims on that lot. if you look in about land, you'll see two things: Simulator primitive usage: This is essentially all the prims in the sim that you have control of... and... Primitives parcel supports: This number is the total number of prims that that paticular lot supports. A 512 SUPPORTS 117 prims, but can CONTAIN up to 15000, the entire number of prims a sim can have. Now, estate owners can change what's called the prim ratio, which raises or lowers the number of prims a parcel can support. For example, a sim owner can make a sim have 32,768 square meters of land above the water, the rest below, effectively cutting the square meterage in half, then double the prim ratio, and then, on those paticular parcels, they would support double the number of prims per square meter. This could most certainly be done on the mainland as well, but never is, as LL has set the prim ratio where it is, and is (to my knowledge) never changed. Also, adding new land (sims) has nothing to do with prim counts, one sim, 1000, or 1 million, either way, each individual sim is it's own self contained system that's networked to the rest of the sims. By stopping adding new land, it wouldnt enable LL to increase the prim allowances. The only thing that would allow that would be for the server computers and the client computers (that means your computer) to be more powerful.
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