Face Light Problem

is it really so complicated every explanation of windlight requires mounds of text?

If the lighting is better but the textures need changed, then lets have some examples.

If the default settings are bad? Then they need to be fixed.


And why so much orange stain? Is there more orange stain in San Francisco than in Ohio sunsets?

So breaking a huge amount of prior content in order to make the sky pretty is an improvement?

It isn't broken per se - you have the means to make it pretty that doesn't involve a prim attachment. It means the skinmaking needs to move forward with the new technology. Sometimes that requires "breaking."

but thats a problem.

Long term thats no solution. What are we supposed to do , buy lighting settings with clothing and skins?

It simply might be too complex it makes it difficult for any uniformity in content creation. SL is supposed to facilitate content creation and consumption.

Everyone going off in an unlimited number of directions ... I don't know.

If it can't be used with the defaults LL gives us, it IS broken for all intents and purposes. I may be able to make it pretty on my screen, but that has no affect on what others see. This is what I'm talking about in terms of consistent experience.

I would rather existing content was broken and a plan existed to unbreak new content,

then tell us to make the new viewer to work like the old viewer to "unbreak" it,

That just makes it so the problem will be delayed getting better.

If thats whats really happening --

Were hearing technical people say both things.

Well, I'd be willing to suffer a while for a new avatar mesh, but if that isn't in the cards, then improving the WL defaults would unbreak what's currently broken, IMO.

It's due to a complicating factor that Shirley mentioned at the top of the thread. Technically, in terms of the exact light colors and intensities, sunsets do in fact have a very different color to them. However, most people don't notice this because your eyes/brain automatically color correct. Ever notice how you can still see fine in dim light, but cameras need tons of light in order for the picture to turn out?

There's the rub: how to make things look realistic when the visual experience is simply by nature different (an image of the scene on a computer monitor vs. optical sensations being interpreted by your brain to construct a visual scene.) Mimicking optical physics is realistic in the sense that it is accurate to how light rays behave in the real world, but it isn't necessarily realistic in the sense of recreating the visual experience a person has while going about their day.

So because its a computer screen our eyes wont make the same adjustment?

So they simulate RL lighting for a camera better?

How does that help us? Are they going to give us special eyedrops?

If our eyes wont make the adjustments they would IRL the computer program will have to.

If the default skin and existing skins were better, they would look good under the default lighting. At what point should the skinmaking change, Ann, to fit the default lighting?

I, for one, would love to see some evidence of this new and improved texturing that seems to be necessary to "fix" Windlight.

Yep. It's somewhat of a leap of cognition, but think of it this way: looking at an apple is not the same visual experience as looking at a picture of an apple.


No, just the opposite. In order for a photo of an object to look right, you often need considerably more light than if the person looking at the photo were looking at the object directly.


Now now, no need to be cheeky. I was just delivering factual answers to your question, but you seem to think I was arguing with you.


Well yeah, that was my point, what I was getting at when I said "there's the rub." As my last sentence pointed out, the definition of "realistic" can vary, so one must keep in mind what sort of realism is important.


ADDITION: Oh wait, who is the antecedent for "they" when you said "they simulate RL lighting for a camera"? Your sentence is a little confusing.

I'm not so sure the fix is w/ skins as I tried a skin "specifically? for WL and it was sick.
Murmurings of new avatars meshes?
wow LL really has been hitting home w/ us, laws, land, skins, imagine shapes? *ka ching*
I loved how we looked w/ face lights but if 5 ppls see us 5 diff ways,w/ or w/o face lights, what does it matter?

If Residents can create presets which make both current avatars and Windlight skies look good, LL should be able to as well for the defaults. In that case, I don't see why skinning should change for anything short of a major overhaul to the avatar mesh.

People HAVE been making WL skins, but it doesn't seem to make much difference in the ugly factor.

I haven't seen the new "windlight skins" but I don't think the tools used to create skins have really been updated for windlight. Or the elite skinmakers haven't done it yet. Who's got a windlight skin that we can look at? Take a picture at default midday on high or ultra and let's see.

Try Nomine. I'm not going to bother with reinstalling a wretched WL viewer.

They meaning LL techno gizmo whozits

The same ones who owe us the eyedrops if they want to light the world only as the camera would see.

Bella Donna would probably work ... Though you cant take too much of it .. since its like .. poisonous and stuff.

I run my setting with custom that is basicly Ultra.. I have everything turned on to max, with only view distance throttled back. So this is not a case of my machine won't handle it.. But I am VERY unhappy with the current Windlight. And here is why... My AVI and many of my textures now look terrible. I glow a nice orange at sunset, blue at sunrise, and I don't even want to think about the lovely zombie look I get at noon..

Now in case you are going to say, well buy a better skin.. here is another wrinkle... I have about 30k in skins, from the best skin makers in SL.. So all you windlight fans, start donating to me to buy another 30k of skins that look good in windlight.. Oh wait, there arn't any, and after talking to some of the designers, there is little they can do about it. It is more of a mesh problem.

Even if they do manage to make a Windlight skin, how many people do you think are going to buy another full set of skins? They are VERY expensive, and one of the most import "pieces" of any AVI's look... Most like me are going to be asking the content creator for a "replacement" set now that my old skin is worthless.

I am sorry but anything that breaks this much existing content is NOT an improvement.. Yes we needed better lighting, but have you really looked at the settings they gave us? The default looks like a bright day in the desert.. The rest look like something you might see on a bad acid trip! We should have gotten a default that looked pretty close to the old "look" but with prettier skys.. And a nice set of six or so minor variations on that. Some with more direct light and others with less.. Maybe some "gloomy" ones and something like the current default but called "Desert Sun!", not "default".

It is not the technology that I have a problem with.. It is how it was delivered to us.. The Jira was full of issues about how it made the skins and many textures look.. But that was ignored.. This should NOT have be released UNTIL we could trade settings, and the estate owners could have a preset default.. Sadly once again LL has dumped something on us that is half done, half baked, and pretty much said to us.. "Tough, this is what WE want to do".

Lizzy