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The stroll that never ends..

Malina Chuwen
Evotive
Join date: 25 Apr 2008
Posts: 502
08-01-2008 18:03
Ok, now I've had this issue a few times. And a few times is too many.

So I'm just walking along.. Browsing.. Then I stop walking.

(What a crime!)

But my avatar decides she wants to continue walking. I let her walk and walk and walk the other day. She crossed SIM boundaries, into grey areas that had nothing.. floated on air, walked on water!

About.. 5-10 minutes later SL woke up and decided to kick me off.

So, today, I was browsing and stopped.

(It seriously must be a crime)

And she kept going. So I just shut it off and am relogging..

Anyone else have this issue? I'm using the old client, as I'll update next week when I'm sure most of the 'common' bugs have been at least noticed and worked on =p

Notable: It also kicks me into a random previously visited spot. Usually whereever I was when I logged on before.
Argos Hawks
Eclectically Esoteric
Join date: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 1,037
08-01-2008 18:09
That happens to everyone from time to time. The new viewer is pretty good so far, so it should be ok unless there's something specific it doesn't like in your hardware. I don't know if this problem is any better in the new viewer or not. It's annoying when it happens, but it hasn't been common enough (for me anyway) for me to be aware of when it happened last or if the frequency changes.
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Malina Chuwen
Evotive
Join date: 25 Apr 2008
Posts: 502
08-01-2008 18:14
I get that plus the 'back walking'.. where she decides to take a second, maybe third or fourth look at 10 steps ago =x Doesn't happen in laggy places either, lol. Lag places I could understand!

Ok.. At least I'm not alone.. Thank you!
Peggy Paperdoll
A Brat
Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 4,383
08-01-2008 18:18
Reboot your modem and/or router.......classic indication of lost connection. Most of the time that's the modem and router causing it

Another big cause is wireless connection to your home network. Try hardwiring with some reasonably good Cat 5 E cables.
Viktoria Dovgal
Join date: 29 Jul 2007
Posts: 3,593
08-01-2008 18:21
That's a packet loss thing. When the viewer doesn't hear back from the server, it guesses that you are still moving on the same course it last saw, until the server can tell it otherwise. If the connection recovers in a short-ish time, you will see that bouncing back thing as the viewer reconciles its version of reality with what the server said. If the missing packets continue for a long time, that's when you get the long march into the void.
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Imogen Saltair
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Join date: 29 Nov 2006
Posts: 682
08-01-2008 18:31
It might be happening when you cross a Sim boundary.

It used to be that you would crash when crossing a sim boundary, so its an improvement, but its a bit of a pain still..

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Malina Chuwen
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Join date: 25 Apr 2008
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08-01-2008 18:33
I need to reseal my packets! I get that dozens of times every day, lol. Maybe once we switch internet providers it'll stop being so darned fussy!

As for the wireless thing, I'm hooked right up to the box.. It's like three feet from me, so I don't think that would be much of an issue.

Thank ya both tons! At least now I know a bit more to watch out for. I know it's had issues when standing too long sometime, she won't wanna move till I reboot. My internet must be really terrible =x
Peggy Paperdoll
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08-01-2008 18:38
Check your connection speed here:

http://www.speedtest.net/

Let us know. :)
Malina Chuwen
Evotive
Join date: 25 Apr 2008
Posts: 502
08-01-2008 18:46
EWIE!

Terrible =x

11,160 kb/s download and 2728 kb/s upload!

Fun site though, lol.
Peggy Paperdoll
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Posts: 4,383
08-01-2008 18:52
From: Malina Chuwen
EWIE!

Terrible =x

11,160 kb/s download and 2728 kb/s upload!

Fun site though, lol.


Uhhhhhhh..............that ain't terrible. :) Actually very fast.

Are you cable or DSL? If cable and renting your modem, try calling your provider to get a new one.
Malina Chuwen
Evotive
Join date: 25 Apr 2008
Posts: 502
08-01-2008 18:59
Upload is less than quater of download though.. That's insane!

And Comcast sucks =x Been trying to get a new box for over a year. We're switching on the 13th of this month. Both will be Cable.
Peggy Paperdoll
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Posts: 4,383
08-01-2008 19:05
My upload is about 1/10 th my download. :) The upload is not really important unless you are streaming or doing something like that from your computer. Most regular servers that take uploads only take very slow amounts of data at a time.................remeber they are serving sometimes of millions of concurrent "users".

Your download is just about twice mine. :) And I'm in the top 60% worldwide.
Malina Chuwen
Evotive
Join date: 25 Apr 2008
Posts: 502
08-01-2008 19:14
Oh wow.. Ok! I just checked by region, too.. I'm on the upper portion of those even in my region, lol. It must just be something with my box and SL that doesn't agree with each other very much. Gonna try that website on our wireless computer and see what comes up there!

Guess the download is rather quick.. Just never thought of it before, got so used to it. I don't see AT&T on the list.. And that's who we are going with next. Hmm.. Makes me kind of nervous! Unless they are still SBC.. Then yikes!
Dana Hickman
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Join date: 10 Oct 2006
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08-01-2008 20:09
From: Malina Chuwen
Upload is less than quater of download though.. That's insane!

Thats called an asynchronous connection, and it's common among most cable internet providers. Also, Comcast has been proven to throttle bandwidth for many users who use a lot or pull steady for long periods of time. They do this by monitoring how much you use, and if you set off one of their "Possible P2P user" alarms, their system injects a stop packet into your data stream and that cuts you off from the internet. Symptoms of getting hit with a stop packet can be as small as having to reload a webpage in your browser, to complete net cutoff requiring a computer reboot. If you're having major packet loss (that needs a relog to fix) at the same time your AV goes walking off into oblivion, AND you're using Comcast, I would at least be a little suspicious of your provider being the cause.
Malina Chuwen
Evotive
Join date: 25 Apr 2008
Posts: 502
08-01-2008 21:08
Oh my - So not cool! My Mother (who I currently live with) is on the computer ALOT.. She doesn't work, so she just sits on the computer most of the day. That can't be helping. I'll have to keep a closer eye on things.
Jazmiin Parx
Registered User
Join date: 17 Jun 2008
Posts: 17
08-01-2008 21:32
The mindless unresponsive walking is generally an indicator of lost connection. Try playing SL on a dial-up connection for 5 minutes and you'll notice that it'll happen ever 30 seconds or so, when the connection drops off.

not that I play on a dial-up connect.
Taylor Bayliss
Registered User
Join date: 17 May 2006
Posts: 144
08-02-2008 06:27
From: Malina Chuwen
EWIE!

Terrible =x

11,160 kb/s download and 2728 kb/s upload!

Fun site though, lol.


Wow - that would be nice Malina, I connect via satellite (only option out here) and it's 1mbps (1,000 kbps) down, 256 kpbs up, maximum with a 1-2 sec lag after hitting any key.

I also occasionally get the walking problem, but, for me, it's more region specific, like at Barcola and Miramare.

Although satellite is not recommended by LL, it works well enough for me to have remained in world for the last 18 months, although my avie's shins are a mess from frequently bumping into things *grin*
Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
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08-02-2008 07:17
From: Dana Hickman
Thats called an asynchronous connection, and it's common among most cable internet providers.
I think you actually meant asymmetrical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADSL
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spinster Voom
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08-02-2008 09:09
I've been getting HUGE packet loss on the RC viewer at busy times of day, but the regular 1.19 works fine. No idea why, but it might be worth trying a different viewer.
Dana Hickman
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08-02-2008 11:14
From: Gabriele Graves
I think you actually meant asymmetrical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADSL


No, I didn't...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_communication

From: someone
In telecommunications, Asynchronous communication is transmission of data without the use of an external clock signal. Any timing required to recover data from the communication symbols is encoded within the symbols. The most significant aspect of asynchronous communications is variable bit rate, or that the transmitter and receiver clock generators do not have to be exactly synchronized.
Asynchronous communication at the data link layer or higher protocol layers is known as statistical multiplexing or packet mode communication, for example asynchronous transfer mode (ATM). In this case the asynchronously transferred blocks are called data packets...

The asynchronous connection is what allows asymmetrical dsl to function in the first place, and I also specifically mentioned cable internet and nothing at all about DSL.
Taylor Bayliss
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08-02-2008 16:42
From: Peggy Paperdoll
My upload is about 1/10 th my download. :)


Wow - quite a coincedence, just looked at my usage for the last 12 months, my download amount is 9.94 times my upload rate - so very close to your figures !! I'm restricted to 375mb a day by my Hughesnet plan, so I do tend to watch how I spend my time in SL, and what I do....for instance, if I'm in a XXX theatre I have to watch the antics of the audience rather than the streaming video *grin*
Katelicious Xue
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Join date: 7 Jul 2008
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08-02-2008 20:59
From: Malina Chuwen
Notable: It also kicks me into a random previously visited spot. Usually whereever I was when I logged on before.


It happens to me all the time! It is the annoying moment that I know I am about to crash and all I can do is sit there and wait for it to happen. It is LL sadism!
Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
Posts: 6,205
08-02-2008 22:29
From: Dana Hickman
No, I didn't...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_communication


The asynchronous connection is what allows asymmetrical dsl to function in the first place, and I also specifically mentioned cable internet and nothing at all about DSL.
Agreed you didn't mention DSL but nevertheless when a communications medium has better bandwidth in one way than the other, it is called an asymmetrical connection.

Asynchronous means simply you do not have to wait for acknowledgement of one thing to send another. Or in this case because telecommunications use the term slightly differently , two clocks do not have to be exactly in step with each other. Hence they are not in sync - they are async. However that is irrelevant to the point the person about was saying about the upload speed being slower.
You can have async style data sending over completely symmetrical communications mediums.

Even in your own quoted passage from wikipedia it does not say the upstream link has to be a different speed from the downstream link. It just says variable bit rate which can be applied to both up and down streams.
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Dana Hickman
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08-03-2008 12:05
From: Gabriele Graves
However that is irrelevant to the point the person about was saying about the upload speed being slower.

I think you hung on my use of the word "connection", as it's a loose term and was hastily thrown in to avoid having to go into micro-specifics. My whole post was about ISP's, and what I was referring to is the async protocols and async specific hardware that allow your asymmetric data exchange to even exist in the first place... one level deeper is all. Yes, asymmetric refers to out of balance up/down comms.. never argued that. But when discussing this at the ISP level like we were, the common cable ISP does have a purpose-built async system... so system would have been a better word there. Without that async system, you have no true asymmetrical anything... sorry for the confusion.
Gabriele Graves
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08-03-2008 13:29
From: Dana Hickman
I think you hung on my use of the word "connection", as it's a loose term and was hastily thrown in to avoid having to go into micro-specifics. My whole post was about ISP's, and what I was referring to is the async protocols and async specific hardware that allow your asymmetric data exchange to even exist in the first place... one level deeper is all. Yes, asymmetric refers to out of balance up/down comms.. never argued that. But when discussing this at the ISP level like we were, the common cable ISP does have a purpose-built async system... so system would have been a better word there. Without that async system, you have no true asymmetrical anything... sorry for the confusion.
Well no I was not hung on anything at all, the post you quoted clearly was talking about the asymmetrical aspects of the connection (they were mentioning about upload being slower) I felt some clarification was needed is all, no worries. :)
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