Should LL reduce tier to keep the failing economy in SL alive?
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Rene Erlanger
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10-26-2009 10:47
From: Dekka Raymaker Don't know if you seen this but an interesting statistic from Pandorah Ashdene
*Governor Linden directly owns 30% of Mainland land by area*
That's not good is it!
I stand corrected.....i really thought it was 35%. Still bad though!
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Brenda Connolly
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10-26-2009 11:02
From: RockAndRoll Michigan The baffling part is the fact that there is such a large number of businesses still allowed to be on the non-Zindrafied mainland, and also on private estates that are not flagged adult, because they don't advertise with forbidden keywords, and are still selling adult content which the responsible adult stores have moved to adult regions where their customer base is required to be adult verified.
To insist that not only do they have to put up with their competition not doing the right thing and moving to adult regions, but also have to pay higher tier on top of it because they actually did do the right thing, is a major slap in the face, and totally impossible to grasp your logic here. It's Linden Logic. When LL tells you all you have to do is play a word game to circumvent their own policy, you know how full of shit they are in general.
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Rene Erlanger
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10-26-2009 11:03
From: Kitty Barnett Yes, because Anshe pays for all of her sims out of her very own pocket  . If LL would be able to lure renters away from cookie-cutter landlords its profit would only increase because they could offer a lower tier than the renters were paying, but still higher than those landlords were paying them. Landlords (the cookie-cutter kind) are not a necessity and shouldn't be catered to. I would bet a significant percentage of Estate sims are in the hands of Land Barons.....which in turn makes up a significant part of LL's overall income. You can't reverse the growth of those Estates unless LL does a U-turn on land policy (following your suggestion) which also means increasing mainland supply. Residents choose to live on Estates for a number of differing reasons and not necessarily the price driven one! .
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Rene Erlanger
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10-26-2009 11:22
I think LL should reduce the Tier structure right across the board (by around 15%)...if they can't, then maybe for a limited time ..say 1 year....and call it "Tier relief" until the upturn of it's economies (RL or SL). I've always thought that Tiers should be lowered, even before the RL recession kicked in.....it was more to do with SL's demographics though.
Someone on the SL Blogs crunched the numbers, which wasn't far off from other guesstimates i've read before. Its easy to see how LL are quite profitable...and for that reason i think 15% relief is very do-able even if it's for a limited time only. There are (wild) suggestions like 25%, 35% and even 50%.....those would be impossible imo and would put LL in a Loss situation.
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Yumi Murakami
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10-26-2009 11:30
From: Rene Erlanger I think LL should reduce the Tier structure right across the board (by around 15%)...if they can't, then maybe for a limited time ..say 1 year....and call it "Tier relief" until the upturn of it's economies (RL or SL). If they offer a tier cut for a limited time, then on the last days before it goes back up, a huge amount of land will be dropped back on the market at panic-sale prices and/or abandoned. Maybe the barons will be able to pick up some of it, but probably not all.
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Rene Erlanger
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10-26-2009 15:26
From: Yumi Murakami If they offer a tier cut for a limited time, then on the last days before it goes back up, a huge amount of land will be dropped back on the market at panic-sale prices and/or abandoned. Maybe the barons will be able to pick up some of it, but probably not all. Would depend on how the economic environment is at that point in time in and out of SL. I think LL would get a lot of brownie (plus) points from it's community though!. i.e re-building the trust levels
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Raudf Fox
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10-26-2009 16:41
From: Rene Erlanger Would depend on how the economic environment is at that point in time in and out of SL. I think LL would get a lot of brownie (plus) points from it's community though!. i.e re-building the trust levels Hmm.. it's a thought, but I'm still not sure that having what basically amounts to a clearance sale on tier would help long term. And well, it might actually have a greater negative impact on their player to LL trust levels, because people are going to be ticked that it wasn't a long term thing. However, I could see a new pricing guide for tier that would break the tier levels up into smaller steps might actually make LL more money and encourage smaller business owners like myself or just residents who want bigger sprawls to buy more land. This would also wouldn't affect the land barons as badly, because a good portion of the people who rent do so because they don't WANT mainland. They want a covenant to lend structure to their surroundings, rather than the wild west of the mainland. A new tier pricing structure would allow us to be more land from each other as well as save money for spending in world.. provided that LL doesn't botch it up, that is. Plus, IMHO, it's probably easier to implement. (LL doesn't want to hurt the Land Barons. They're the bread and butter for LL!)
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10-26-2009 17:02
From: Raudf Fox ...However, I could see a new pricing guide for tier that would break the tier levels up into smaller steps might actually make LL more money and encourage smaller business owners like myself or just residents who want bigger sprawls to buy more land. Sorta like Meade was trying to say, I don't see LL doing this for the smaller tiers. They make too much on the double-or-nothing-more bet. There's some point where it goes from fun-money to real-money though - that's the point where they might add more steps. I'd bet it's around 16km2.
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Rene Erlanger
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10-26-2009 17:13
From: Raudf Fox Hmm.. it's a thought, but I'm still not sure that having what basically amounts to a clearance sale on tier would help long term. And well, it might actually have a greater negative impact on their player to LL trust levels, because people are going to be ticked that it wasn't a long term thing.
However, I could see a new pricing guide for tier that would break the tier levels up into smaller steps might actually make LL more money and encourage smaller business owners like myself or just residents who want bigger sprawls to buy more land.
This would also wouldn't affect the land barons as badly, because a good portion of the people who rent do so because they don't WANT mainland. They want a covenant to lend structure to their surroundings, rather than the wild west of the mainland.
A new tier pricing structure would allow us to be more land from each other as well as save money for spending in world.. provided that LL doesn't botch it up, that is. Plus, IMHO, it's probably easier to implement.
(LL doesn't want to hurt the Land Barons. They're the bread and butter for LL!) Land on Estate sims gets charged that way already i.e small increments depending on size or prims....your proposal would bring Mainland into line with the majority of the grid. Well i'd prefer a "new tier pricing system" not only for Mainland but also a lower Estate sim tier charge......but that's hoping for too much.....hence maybe some sort of "tier relief" for at least a year.
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10-26-2009 19:12
I would buy more land if tier was reduced. I'm sure a lot of other residents feel the same way.
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cinda Hoodoo
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10-27-2009 04:31
If LL owns 1/3rd of the mainland now, i would surely hope they have a highly paid accountant that would recommend some sort of logical plan to get that back in circulation and fast. I am beyond hope they would actually reduce mature and PG mainland, that would be entirely too logical.
As far as adult businesses cheating in SL, I for one am doing abuse reports when i see it going on, i would highly recommend it to all that have them near your own businesses or land. I know they do not have enough employees to check all of them out, but to me, if you can't play by the rules, it says only one thing, you can't be age verified or some such problem to get into the adult continent in the first place, or you are hoping to still lure the underage player into your adult business, both of which are unacceptable.
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Qie Niangao
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10-27-2009 05:34
I wouldn't get too worried about LL owning 30-ish percent of the Mainland. I don't know what the "natural" percentage would be if no land were abandoned, but it's gotta be pretty high. They own outright a whole bunch of Mainland sims where they planted infohubs, sandboxes, help islands, event sims, land product demo regions, Linden offices, etc., plus all the protected water sims (e.g., Blake Sea) and every road, railway, and waterway in and around the Mainland.
[Edit: forgot to mention that in addition to the Blake Sea, the Zindra continent likely inflated that "natural" Linden ownership ratio. It has a *lot* of water, and quite a lot of double-primmed land--and every bit of double-prim land has to be offset by at least the same amount of Linden-owned stuff in one form or another (often water).]
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