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Rafe Phoenix
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11-22-2009 07:30
From: Colossus Linden

...We are limited by our engineering resources and sometimes projects that seem very simple are rather difficult to implement...Many respondents in a survey earlier this year responded that their spending was limited by their ability to find quality goods that they wanted. If shoppers spend more our merchants will make more money. If our merchants make more money, then we will make more money.


The quality is there. The problem's fix is better search tools (I just can't believe that not one single person has suggested that to LL.) LL decides that the fix is to rid the system of high quality inexpensive merchandise and replace it with higher prices on everything whether it be crap or quality. As far as; "If our merchants make more money, then we will make more money," I ask what Colossus' yearly projection for 2010 is after factoring in the mass exodus of SL's best designers.
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11-22-2009 07:33
From: Dagmar Heideman
Last count they had over 3 dozen openings with most of them in software development and engineering. I am somewhat perplexed that they have had so many open positions for quite some time given that presumably most of these jobs are for their California offices where the official unemployment rate exceeds 12%, the actual unemployment rate is far in excess of that number and a significant number of jobs have been lost in the software development and engineering sector. One can only speculate that either the pay is well below market rate, there is some kind of general perception on the employee side of the industry that the work environment is very bad, or some combination of the two.


Or it's LL's bad hiring practice of having beers at a bar as a "job fair," to catch the "cool and with it," crowd of coders.

Back on topic, since only had enough time to vote and not post: I wasn't just a merchant, I was a shopper too. I had no real issues with freebies cluttering up the search. I had a slight problem with all the colors of one outfit, but we don't have to tools to do a listing with all colors on it. I browsed XStreet and usually bought the item in world.

For those looking for a third party site with all the features of Xstreet, try being slapt.
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Brenda Connolly
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11-22-2009 07:37
All I want is a decent INWORLD search function. I'll do the rest.
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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11-22-2009 07:54
Whenever I was on Xstreet doing my shopping, it was usually with intent to find the inworld store. The layout and browsing capabilities of Xstreet is too much like Amazon.com for me to take it seriously as a shopping tool. But, that's the thing... Shopping. It spoils all the fun and turns "shopping" into consumerist "buying". (>_<;)

Now, if you're an item hunter and have no desire to shop for anything; by all means, you'll prefer Xstreet. The task will be: Search for jeans. Find Jeans. Pay money. Wear jeans. All of that being a miserable facade of a shopping experience. And, really just a blast back to the old days of 2D internet where the antisocial was king. (>_<;)

Coming inworld, I'm able to walk through the virtual store with my friends. We can point at things, talk about them, For a well designed store; we can reflect on the decorations, floor plan, and other attractions that help sweeten the shopping experience. (^_^)

Freebies, I treat as an impulse buy. I will not shop for a freebie. In the past, if I wanted something quick and cheap, that's exactly what I used Xstreet for. Get in, search for the item I wanted for free, nab it, use it. Now that such a thing is intrinsically gone, the freebie for the sake of being a freebie, I have lost ALL interest in being an XstreetSL customer. (=_=)

Though, I WILL continue to use Xstreet... Just in a way that automatically loses money for LL. I'll run an item search, load up a bunch of Firefox tabs of what I find and munch a bunch of bandwidth in the process, and look for a link to the inworld store. [Ctrl]+Click is a beautiful thing. (^_^)y
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11-22-2009 07:55
From: Dagmar Heideman
Last count they had over 3 dozen openings with most of them in software development and engineering. I am somewhat perplexed that they have had so many open positions for quite some time given that presumably most of these jobs are for their California offices where the official unemployment rate exceeds 12%, the actual unemployment rate is far in excess of that number and a significant number of jobs have been lost in the software development and engineering sector. One can only speculate that either the pay is well below market rate, there is some kind of general perception on the employee side of the industry that the work environment is very bad, or some combination of the two.
Some people have heard me mention before that the lab can't afford me. (^_^)

I'm not joking. (^_^)y
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Rafe Phoenix
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11-22-2009 07:56
From: Brenda Connolly and said by MANY Others
All I want is a decent INWORLD search function. I'll do the rest.


Yes, better functionality in the existing UI tools pllllllease.

I have been using emerald about 50% of the time inworld for the last few days. I like some of the extras but a tricked out viewer does not fix the underlying problems of the main system. LL keeps talking about how their new UI is "soon to come out. We've invested much time and many resources into the new UI...." A shiny new UI on top of poor programing is still poor programing.

I love what SL allows its users to accomplish when it comes to the creativity. Its time they focus on some basics in constructive ways.
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Brenda Connolly
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11-22-2009 08:04
What puzzles me is the seeming push by LL to make it easier to do SL outside of SL, while the inworld experience stagnates. All that nonsense on the Dashbored (tm) for instance. Online friends, groups, etc, I don't need it. It is almost like they are saying "We can't make sure you can do what you are supposed to inworld, so we'll spend time on junk to let you do it out of world. Even with 3rd party viewers, they seem to just want to let those people put in good stuff and not bother themselves.
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11-22-2009 08:14
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Rafe Phoenix
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11-22-2009 08:58
UGGG...

/me votes Brenda to LL's board of execs.

I guess that this topic like most others comes down to LL's desire not to actually fix the kinks that hinder an otherwise enjoyable experience. SLX would never had been around for LL to gobble up had LL gotten it right to begin with. Now they're just spreading the same poor decision making to a business that was originally inspired in the hopes of working around SL's short comings. Like Brenda says, if search worked right inworld there would be no need for outside adcraps.
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Rafe Phoenix
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11-22-2009 09:05
From: Brenda Connolly
What puzzles me is the seeming push by LL to make it easier to do SL outside of SL, while the inworld experience stagnates. All that nonsense on the Dashbored (tm) for instance. Online friends, groups, etc, I don't need it. It is almost like they are saying "We can't make sure you can do what you are supposed to inworld, so we'll spend time on junk to let you do it out of world. Even with 3rd party viewers, they seem to just want to let those people put in good stuff and not bother themselves.


The vision has changed. The new target audience wants the outside enabled interaction.
I don't mind that the applications exist but I would like to see the CORE made strong and healthy before adding more weight.
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11-22-2009 11:32
From: Brenda Connolly
What puzzles me is the seeming push by LL to make it easier to do SL outside of SL, while the inworld experience stagnates. All that nonsense on the Dashbored (tm) for instance. Online friends, groups, etc, I don't need it. It is almost like they are saying "We can't make sure you can do what you are supposed to inworld, so we'll spend time on junk to let you do it out of world. Even with 3rd party viewers, they seem to just want to let those people put in good stuff and not bother themselves.
That's a very interesting observation.

Maybe they no longer have any real programmers and only have web site and management people.
Maybe its a strange management decision.
I would *hope* its that the programmers are hard at work on the complete re-write of the code.
Arilynn Karu
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11-22-2009 11:47
From: Ciaran Laval
The reasons for Xstreet being cluttered are due to issues like the same item in different colours and keyword spam, neither of which are exclusive to freebies.
I agree. I have never had a problem with freebies cluttering up search results. But it is a PITA to have a dozen listings for the same object in different colors or search results that are skewed with unrelated objects, especially since Xstreet loads very slowly for me. I would have less issue with these problems is there were a decent inworld search capability. Like Brenda said, if I had that, I wouldn't need Xstreet at all.
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11-22-2009 12:21
From: Brenda Connolly
But LL needs a scapegoat to make up for their incompetence and lazyness. Just as with the Open Space caper. They should be slapt...repeatedly.


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11-22-2009 12:27
From: Tristin Mikazuki
With a wet penguin!

this sounds like a job for Ceka and the Slapets!!
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11-22-2009 14:47
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then this must be a linden

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11-22-2009 15:03
From: Arilynn Karu
I agree. I have never had a problem with freebies cluttering up search results. But it is a PITA to have a dozen listings for the same object in different colors or search results that are skewed with unrelated objects, especially since Xstreet loads very slowly for me. I would have less issue with these problems is there were a decent inworld search capability. Like Brenda said, if I had that, I wouldn't need Xstreet at all.


An awful lot of people seem to be agreeing with me today. What's the deal? Am I going to die or somerhing? :confused:
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Rafe Phoenix
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11-22-2009 15:38
From: Brenda Connolly
An awful lot of people seem to be agreeing with me today. What's the deal? Am I going to ie or somerhing? :confused:


You're saying all the things that everyone seems to know EXEPT for those whom call themselves "Linden."
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11-22-2009 15:43
From: Cito Karu
hrmm walking on sunshine...

then this must be a linden

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the air can girl :eek:
i saw those a couple months back..omg i hide all my air cans for my computer..what won't people get high on these days i swear..
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11-22-2009 15:47
From: Rafe Phoenix
You're saying all the things that everyone seems to know EXEPT for those whom call themselves "Linden."


I don't know if that is saying a lot about me, or not much about them. :rolleyes:
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11-22-2009 21:05
From: Melita Magic
Why can content creators not reply as well? Shopping is shopping.


Many content creators have already posted to other threads on how the listing fees will affect their business or cause them to close their doors. Emotions are running high. I wanted to get a sense of how those who shop but don't have businesses that are vulnerable to the change feel. Xstreet staff claim that shoppers have asked for this and I was skeptical.
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Dagmar Heideman
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11-22-2009 23:13
From: Sylvia Trilling
Xstreet staff claim that shoppers have asked for this and I was skeptical.
Then they are lying. Shoppers have never asked for elimination of choice in the Marketplace, just better search options and mechanics. The issue is and always has been utility or lack thereof with the search features. As others have posted it is the same issue with deficiencies in the inworld search engine that drove many of us to shop on Xstreet more often. Sadly as bad as the search functionality is in the Marketplace it is markedly better than the functionality of the inworld search engine.

Linden Lab claims that it lacks the resources to improve the search engine so this is its duct tape solution which was never requested by anyone. Somewhat ironically it has been pointed out that if Linden Lab would address the spam issue alone it might improve things and at least one of the most staunch defenders of the listing fee solution in the commerce forum is apparently one of the more egregious offenders with regards to violation of the spam policy.
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11-23-2009 04:19
I have been giving away a few packaging boxes, gift boxes that I have made, the textures are all custom that I made.. These I put on freebies on XStreet, every single day my magic box sends several out. every day. It maks me feel sad that LL thinks my boxes are clutter and junk. I hate to deactivate them as I see them a lot around the grid....
Rafe Phoenix
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11-24-2009 13:46
From: Brenda Connolly
I don't know if that is saying a lot about me, or not much about them. :rolleyes:



Why can't it be both? :D
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Isablan Neva
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11-24-2009 14:16
This poll is functionally flawed.

Who DOESN"T like free stuff? People will grab any piece of crap that is free and they will be happy with it because it was free. I've watched people come to blows over the last freebie chip clip in a booth at a street fair.
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11-24-2009 15:14
From: Isablan Neva
This poll is functionally flawed.

Who DOESN"T like free stuff? People will grab any piece of crap that is free and they will be happy with it because it was free. I've watched people come to blows over the last freebie chip clip in a booth at a street fair.

I've had people get very angry at me for giving free stuff away. Go figure; can't please everyone. :rolleyes:
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