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Lostmedia Ares

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08-21-2008 05:47

Get set for a bumpy few weeks ... this conversion might be the best thing to happen in SL for a while .... Or the worst !!

Thoughts ?

http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/08/20/mono-launch/

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Steely Carver

The dreamer or the dream?

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08-21-2008 05:53

From: Lostmedia Ares

Get set for a bumpy few weeks ... this conversion might be the best thing to happen in SL for a while .... Or the worst !!

Thoughts ?

http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/08/20/mono-launch/

Being a Linux user, I think Mono will be an asset for those who choose alternate operating systems. I don't know what it will be like from the coder's point of view, but I think it is a good move. I'm sure there will be bumps in the road ahead, however.

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Qie Niangao

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08-21-2008 05:55

It'll be good. There will be glitches, no doubt, and possibly some rollbacks before everything is complete, but Mono is both a win for scripters and a necessary step for grid security.

(I'm just hoping they don't get trigger-happy and disable LSL2 compatibility mode for, oh, say, a decade or so.)

Darkness Anubis

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08-21-2008 06:06

This whole Mono thing has me baffled.

Does it mean I have to learn a whole new scripting language or can I keep going my merry way with LSL?

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Viktoria Dovgal

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08-21-2008 06:11

From: Qie Niangao

(I'm just hoping they don't get trigger-happy and disable LSL2 compatibility mode for, oh, say, a decade or so.)

There is an interesting little twist in the 1.21 viewers, even old LSL is compiled on the server now. This is listed as part of the security changes, so I'm curious how long compiling will still work on older viewers and custom preprocessors.

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08-21-2008 06:16

From: Darkness Anubis

Does it mean I have to learn a whole new scripting language or can I keep going my merry way with LSL?

The language is pretty much identical, nearly all scripts run as-is just by saving with the Mono box checked. The old LSL will stay around for a while, so you will have time to find out what's gone wrong and how to tweak it if your script is one of the exceptions.

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Tali Rosca

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08-21-2008 06:25

The scripting language, LSL, remains the same. But you now have a choice to compile to either LSL2 bytecode, or Mono bytecode. (Or, will have, once the next viewer is released).
Mono-compiled scripts will run faster when doing calculations, but remain largely the same when "touching" the rest of the world, since that is, after all, not really the script but the sim server doing that work.
You have more memory available (64k vs 16k) if choosing to compile to Mono, though some scripts may also *require* more memory, eating away at the additional memory available.
We may at some point see some better language features sneaking their way into (Mono-compiled) LSL, and somewhere far down along the line, we may be able to program for SL in other languages.
But for now LSL is the same as always; it just gets a "go faster" checkbox.

As for thoughts, I am stoked about the future possibilities, but with this server roll-out, it's really the touch positioning which is the great news.

Darkness Anubis

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08-21-2008 06:29

From: Tali Rosca

The scripting language, LSL, remains the same. But you now have a choice to compile to either LSL2 bytecode, or Mono bytecode. (Or, will have, once the next viewer is released).
Mono-compiled scripts will run faster when doing calculations, but remain largely the same when "touching" the rest of the world, since that is, after all, not really the script but the sim server doing that work.
You have more memory available (64k vs 16k) if choosing to compile to Mono, though some scripts may also *require* more memory, eating away at the additional memory available.
We may at some point see some better language features sneaking their way into (Mono-compiled) LSL, and somewhere far down along the line, we may be able to program for SL in other languages.
But for now LSL is the same as always; it just gets a "go faster" checkbox.

As for thoughts, I am stoked about the future possibilities, but with this server roll-out, it's really the touch positioning which is the great news.

OK let me see if I get this. If I write a new script in LSL then save it with Mono checkbox ticked. I am all good to go. If I resave an older script with the Mono checkbox ticked I may or may not be ok. Is there a list somewhere of what is likely to break with Mono?

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Infrared Wind

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08-21-2008 06:30

Seems like a VERY good thing to me. Looking forward to seeing performance improvements in my scripts.

Ghosty Kips

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08-21-2008 06:48

As an SL racing enthusiast, Mono has to be a good thing indeed.

Anything that causes math to compute faster will mean a performance boost for scripted racing, and other vehicles too I imagine.

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Viktoria Dovgal

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08-21-2008 06:51

From: Darkness Anubis

OK let me see if I get this. If I write a new script in LSL then save it with Mono checkbox ticked. I am all good to go. If I resave an older script with the Mono checkbox ticked I may or may not be ok. Is there a list somewhere of what is likely to break with Mono?

There are some changes with handling numbers, problems that used to crash scripts might instead return not-a-number values.

The character set changed to a newer version of Unicode, find "known differences" in http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mono

Scripts that depended on LSL running at a certain speed might break ("it takes half a second for this to run, so I don't need to check the time" assumptions will bite).

Anything that checks for 16K of memory may display goofy % free values or give up earlier than it needs to.

Some of the odd little optimizations that made old LSL run faster or use less memory won't really make a difference any more.

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Tod69 Talamasca

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08-21-2008 07:45

I was playing with the standard Freebie scripts on the Beta Grid & didnt see any difference so far other than the Mono/LSL checkbox when saving.

Now if we could cram 40-60 people in an older Sim, with everyone running AO's and other running scripts, and see how it runs both ways would be interesting to do.

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Tali Rosca

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08-21-2008 08:11

From: Ghosty Kips

As an SL racing enthusiast, Mono has to be a good thing indeed.

Anything that causes math to compute faster will mean a performance boost for scripted racing, and other vehicles too I imagine.

Not really. Vehicles rely mostly on the physics calculations of the sim; not a script doing heavy calculations.

Tali Rosca

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08-21-2008 08:17

From: Darkness Anubis

OK let me see if I get this. If I write a new script in LSL then save it with Mono checkbox ticked. I am all good to go. If I resave an older script with the Mono checkbox ticked I may or may not be ok. Is there a list somewhere of what is likely to break with Mono?

The intention was that nothing should break; much effort was put into making it one-to-one compatible. So bar specific, quirky edge cases, you should be able to simply tick "compile to Mono" and (re)compile.
There isn't really any difference between writing a new script and recompiling an old, but old scripts may rely on such edge cases (notably execution speed, as Viktoria mentions).

Ghosty Kips

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08-21-2008 08:42

From: Tali Rosca

Not really. Vehicles rely mostly on the physics calculations of the sim; not a script doing heavy calculations.

True for the physics calculations, but what about the math involved in varying turning to attained speed, accelleration and braking, downforce, and so forth? The physics are the same for everyone, but how those physics are applied is controlled by the script. That would be the math I'm referring to here.

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Darkness Anubis

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08-21-2008 08:45

Thanks for all the answers and the wiki link. Doesnt look like this change is gonna negatively impact the family businesses so I am going to breath a big sigh of relief. I wont have to deal with 150+ simple vendors suddenly not being able to add.

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Marianne McCann

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08-21-2008 08:50

This doesn't affect you unless you are going out and kissing other avatars, right?

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Ghosty Kips

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08-21-2008 08:52

From: Marianne McCann

This doesn't affect you unless you are going out and kissing other avatars, right?

zomg, I knew there had to be a catch

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Tali Rosca

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08-21-2008 11:43

From: Ghosty Kips

True for the physics calculations, but what about the math involved in varying turning to attained speed, accelleration and braking, downforce, and so forth? The physics are the same for everyone, but how those physics are applied is controlled by the script. That would be the math I'm referring to here.

While there is *some* math involved there, it's unlikely that you'll see much difference. That's really usually a couple of multiplications; nothing which brings a sim to it's knees.
It's only if you're spinning tight loops of math you'll see any difference in individual scripts. The huge speed boosts sometimes quoted are for things like calculating fractals, not for doing a couple of multiplications when the user presses a key.
That said, there's an overall benefit in lighter script load; anything taking pressure off a sim host benefits the total experience. Just don't expect sudden, dramatic increases in everything around you, or you're setting yourself up to be disappointed.

Kitty Barnett

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08-21-2008 12:48

From: Viktoria Dovgal

There is an interesting little twist in the 1.21 viewers, even old LSL is compiled on the server now. This is listed as part of the security changes, so I'm curious how long compiling will still work on older viewers and custom preprocessors.

(Off-topic: 1.21 allows for sculptmaps to be mirrored along an axis which will cause a visual disconnect for people who for one reason or another are stuck on an older viewer so we might see a mandatory 1.21 soon for this and the reason you highlight; if not we're likely to see a whole lot of 'why did I buy two left shoes?' than 'I can''t compile a script'

)

On-topic: Mono will have an impact on a limited number of scripts and will have an impact on scripting (language) features, but other than that things will remain more or less the same.

Existing scripts stay as they are so a sim's script load isn't going affected in any way and as far as Mono scripts goes: any gain will be overshadowed by people jumping to take advantage of new performance and the larger memory chunk so as Mono compiled scripts replace LSL2 ones the script load will just remain what it is.

Qie Niangao

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08-21-2008 13:17

From: Kitty Barnett

Existing scripts stay as they are so a sim's script load isn't going affected in any way and as far as Mono scripts goes: any gain will be overshadowed by people jumping to take advantage of new performance and the larger memory chunk so as Mono compiled scripts replace LSL2 ones the script load will just remain what it is.

Initially, yes. But scripters will be highly motivated to push out Mono-compiled versions of everything significant. And for some applications that use multiple scripts to get around memory limitations, it will be possible to combine scripts, reducing scheduler overhead.

Caveat 1: As already mentioned, Mono memory management is different enough from LSL2 that not all scripts will see much more usable storage than before.

Caveat 2: Not all multiple-script applications are multiple because of memory limitations, by any means; typical exceptions are those that need to have permissions from multiple avatars, and those that are working around built-in script delays.

But now that you mention it, yeah, as far as sim performance is concerned, dramatically reducing scripted primcount in things like vendors, chessboards, etc.--possible with the upcoming llDetectedTouch*() functions--will probably improve sim performance more than does Mono, actually.

Shirley Marquez

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08-21-2008 13:47

From: Darkness Anubis

This whole Mono thing has me baffled.

Does it mean I have to learn a whole new scripting language or can I keep going my merry way with LSL?

Right now; you'll still be programming in LSL. If you choose to compile to Mono (which will be optional in the 1.21 viewer), your code will be compiled to Mono and executed by its runtime engine, instead of being executed by the current LSL runtime.

It's likely that compiling new scripts to Mono will become mandatory at some future time, after LL is certain that everything is working well. Runtime support of old LSL scripts will not go away any time soon, as there are existing objects containing compiled scripts for which the source code no longer exists.

In the future, LL may make it possible to write scripts in languages other than LSL; Mono will make that easier to do, and it sure would be nice to have a language with real data structures and objects! Any other language would have to be augmented with SL-specific function calls, and vector and quaternion data types, comparable to the ones currently available in LSL, so I don't see that being a near-term project.

Brenda Connolly

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08-21-2008 15:00

I see a lot of inventory deleting in my future

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Leslie Trihey

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08-21-2008 15:09

Hope I don't lose my hat.

Any new feature were you lose your hat is a bad feature.

Colette Meiji

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08-21-2008 15:30

From: Marianne McCann

This doesn't affect you unless you are going out and kissing other avatars, right?

I had it in High School. I'm immune now, right?

Hold on to your hat's guys .. MONO is commin !!
Lostmedia Ares Drinking tea Join date: 6 Sep 2006 Posts: 290	08-21-2008 05:47 Get set for a bumpy few weeks ... this conversion might be the best thing to happen in SL for a while .... Or the worst !! Thoughts ? http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/08/20/mono-launch/ _____________________ Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
Steely Carver The dreamer or the dream? Join date: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 515	08-21-2008 05:53 From: Lostmedia Ares Get set for a bumpy few weeks ... this conversion might be the best thing to happen in SL for a while .... Or the worst !! Thoughts ? http://blog.secondlife.com/2008/08/20/mono-launch/ Being a Linux user, I think Mono will be an asset for those who choose alternate operating systems. I don't know what it will be like from the coder's point of view, but I think it is a good move. I'm sure there will be bumps in the road ahead, however. _____________________ It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	08-21-2008 05:55 It'll be good. There will be glitches, no doubt, and possibly some rollbacks before everything is complete, but Mono is both a win for scripters and a necessary step for grid security. (I'm just hoping they don't get trigger-happy and disable LSL2 compatibility mode for, oh, say, a decade or so.)
Darkness Anubis Registered User Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,628	08-21-2008 06:06 This whole Mono thing has me baffled. Does it mean I have to learn a whole new scripting language or can I keep going my merry way with LSL? _____________________
Viktoria Dovgal … Join date: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,593	08-21-2008 06:11 From: Qie Niangao (I'm just hoping they don't get trigger-happy and disable LSL2 compatibility mode for, oh, say, a decade or so.) There is an interesting little twist in the 1.21 viewers, even old LSL is compiled on the server now. This is listed as part of the security changes, so I'm curious how long compiling will still work on older viewers and custom preprocessors. _____________________
Viktoria Dovgal … Join date: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,593	08-21-2008 06:16 From: Darkness Anubis Does it mean I have to learn a whole new scripting language or can I keep going my merry way with LSL? The language is pretty much identical, nearly all scripts run as-is just by saving with the Mono box checked. The old LSL will stay around for a while, so you will have time to find out what's gone wrong and how to tweak it if your script is one of the exceptions. _____________________
Tali Rosca Plywood Whisperer Join date: 6 Feb 2007 Posts: 767	08-21-2008 06:25 The scripting language, LSL, remains the same. But you now have a choice to compile to either LSL2 bytecode, or Mono bytecode. (Or, will have, once the next viewer is released). Mono-compiled scripts will run faster when doing calculations, but remain largely the same when "touching" the rest of the world, since that is, after all, not really the script but the sim server doing that work. You have more memory available (64k vs 16k) if choosing to compile to Mono, though some scripts may also require more memory, eating away at the additional memory available. We may at some point see some better language features sneaking their way into (Mono-compiled) LSL, and somewhere far down along the line, we may be able to program for SL in other languages. But for now LSL is the same as always; it just gets a "go faster" checkbox. As for thoughts, I am stoked about the future possibilities, but with this server roll-out, it's really the touch positioning which is the great news.
Darkness Anubis Registered User Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,628	08-21-2008 06:29 From: Tali Rosca The scripting language, LSL, remains the same. But you now have a choice to compile to either LSL2 bytecode, or Mono bytecode. (Or, will have, once the next viewer is released). Mono-compiled scripts will run faster when doing calculations, but remain largely the same when "touching" the rest of the world, since that is, after all, not really the script but the sim server doing that work. You have more memory available (64k vs 16k) if choosing to compile to Mono, though some scripts may also require more memory, eating away at the additional memory available. We may at some point see some better language features sneaking their way into (Mono-compiled) LSL, and somewhere far down along the line, we may be able to program for SL in other languages. But for now LSL is the same as always; it just gets a "go faster" checkbox. As for thoughts, I am stoked about the future possibilities, but with this server roll-out, it's really the touch positioning which is the great news. OK let me see if I get this. If I write a new script in LSL then save it with Mono checkbox ticked. I am all good to go. If I resave an older script with the Mono checkbox ticked I may or may not be ok. Is there a list somewhere of what is likely to break with Mono? _____________________
Infrared Wind Gridologist Join date: 7 Jan 2007 Posts: 662	08-21-2008 06:30 Seems like a VERY good thing to me. Looking forward to seeing performance improvements in my scripts.
Ghosty Kips Elora's Llama Join date: 2 May 2008 Posts: 2,386	08-21-2008 06:48 As an SL racing enthusiast, Mono has to be a good thing indeed. Anything that causes math to compute faster will mean a performance boost for scripted racing, and other vehicles too I imagine. _____________________ -- Why aren't you doing something more useful, like playing WoW?
Viktoria Dovgal … Join date: 29 Jul 2007 Posts: 3,593	08-21-2008 06:51 From: Darkness Anubis OK let me see if I get this. If I write a new script in LSL then save it with Mono checkbox ticked. I am all good to go. If I resave an older script with the Mono checkbox ticked I may or may not be ok. Is there a list somewhere of what is likely to break with Mono? There are some changes with handling numbers, problems that used to crash scripts might instead return not-a-number values. The character set changed to a newer version of Unicode, find "known differences" in http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Mono Scripts that depended on LSL running at a certain speed might break ("it takes half a second for this to run, so I don't need to check the time" assumptions will bite). Anything that checks for 16K of memory may display goofy % free values or give up earlier than it needs to. Some of the odd little optimizations that made old LSL run faster or use less memory won't really make a difference any more. _____________________
Tod69 Talamasca The Human Tripod ;) Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,107	08-21-2008 07:45 I was playing with the standard Freebie scripts on the Beta Grid & didnt see any difference so far other than the Mono/LSL checkbox when saving. Now if we could cram 40-60 people in an older Sim, with everyone running AO's and other running scripts, and see how it runs both ways would be interesting to do. _____________________ really pissy & mean right now and NOT happy with Life.
Tali Rosca Plywood Whisperer Join date: 6 Feb 2007 Posts: 767	08-21-2008 08:11 From: Ghosty Kips As an SL racing enthusiast, Mono has to be a good thing indeed. Anything that causes math to compute faster will mean a performance boost for scripted racing, and other vehicles too I imagine. Not really. Vehicles rely mostly on the physics calculations of the sim; not a script doing heavy calculations.
Tali Rosca Plywood Whisperer Join date: 6 Feb 2007 Posts: 767	08-21-2008 08:17 From: Darkness Anubis OK let me see if I get this. If I write a new script in LSL then save it with Mono checkbox ticked. I am all good to go. If I resave an older script with the Mono checkbox ticked I may or may not be ok. Is there a list somewhere of what is likely to break with Mono? The intention was that nothing should break; much effort was put into making it one-to-one compatible. So bar specific, quirky edge cases, you should be able to simply tick "compile to Mono" and (re)compile. There isn't really any difference between writing a new script and recompiling an old, but old scripts may rely on such edge cases (notably execution speed, as Viktoria mentions).
Ghosty Kips Elora's Llama Join date: 2 May 2008 Posts: 2,386	08-21-2008 08:42 From: Tali Rosca Not really. Vehicles rely mostly on the physics calculations of the sim; not a script doing heavy calculations. True for the physics calculations, but what about the math involved in varying turning to attained speed, accelleration and braking, downforce, and so forth? The physics are the same for everyone, but how those physics are applied is controlled by the script. That would be the math I'm referring to here. _____________________ -- Why aren't you doing something more useful, like playing WoW?
Darkness Anubis Registered User Join date: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,628	08-21-2008 08:45 Thanks for all the answers and the wiki link. Doesnt look like this change is gonna negatively impact the family businesses so I am going to breath a big sigh of relief. I wont have to deal with 150+ simple vendors suddenly not being able to add. _____________________
Marianne McCann Feted Inner Child Join date: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7,145	08-21-2008 08:50 This doesn't affect you unless you are going out and kissing other avatars, right? _____________________ "There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden
Ghosty Kips Elora's Llama Join date: 2 May 2008 Posts: 2,386	08-21-2008 08:52 From: Marianne McCann This doesn't affect you unless you are going out and kissing other avatars, right? zomg, I knew there had to be a catch _____________________ -- Why aren't you doing something more useful, like playing WoW?
Tali Rosca Plywood Whisperer Join date: 6 Feb 2007 Posts: 767	08-21-2008 11:43 From: Ghosty Kips True for the physics calculations, but what about the math involved in varying turning to attained speed, accelleration and braking, downforce, and so forth? The physics are the same for everyone, but how those physics are applied is controlled by the script. That would be the math I'm referring to here. While there is some math involved there, it's unlikely that you'll see much difference. That's really usually a couple of multiplications; nothing which brings a sim to it's knees. It's only if you're spinning tight loops of math you'll see any difference in individual scripts. The huge speed boosts sometimes quoted are for things like calculating fractals, not for doing a couple of multiplications when the user presses a key. That said, there's an overall benefit in lighter script load; anything taking pressure off a sim host benefits the total experience. Just don't expect sudden, dramatic increases in everything around you, or you're setting yourself up to be disappointed.
Kitty Barnett Registered User Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 5,586	08-21-2008 12:48 From: Viktoria Dovgal There is an interesting little twist in the 1.21 viewers, even old LSL is compiled on the server now. This is listed as part of the security changes, so I'm curious how long compiling will still work on older viewers and custom preprocessors. (Off-topic: 1.21 allows for sculptmaps to be mirrored along an axis which will cause a visual disconnect for people who for one reason or another are stuck on an older viewer so we might see a mandatory 1.21 soon for this and the reason you highlight; if not we're likely to see a whole lot of 'why did I buy two left shoes?' than 'I can''t compile a script' ) On-topic: Mono will have an impact on a limited number of scripts and will have an impact on scripting (language) features, but other than that things will remain more or less the same. Existing scripts stay as they are so a sim's script load isn't going affected in any way and as far as Mono scripts goes: any gain will be overshadowed by people jumping to take advantage of new performance and the larger memory chunk so as Mono compiled scripts replace LSL2 ones the script load will just remain what it is.
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	08-21-2008 13:17 From: Kitty Barnett Existing scripts stay as they are so a sim's script load isn't going affected in any way and as far as Mono scripts goes: any gain will be overshadowed by people jumping to take advantage of new performance and the larger memory chunk so as Mono compiled scripts replace LSL2 ones the script load will just remain what it is. Initially, yes. But scripters will be highly motivated to push out Mono-compiled versions of everything significant. And for some applications that use multiple scripts to get around memory limitations, it will be possible to combine scripts, reducing scheduler overhead. Caveat 1: As already mentioned, Mono memory management is different enough from LSL2 that not all scripts will see much more usable storage than before. Caveat 2: Not all multiple-script applications are multiple because of memory limitations, by any means; typical exceptions are those that need to have permissions from multiple avatars, and those that are working around built-in script delays. But now that you mention it, yeah, as far as sim performance is concerned, dramatically reducing scripted primcount in things like vendors, chessboards, etc.--possible with the upcoming llDetectedTouch*() functions--will probably improve sim performance more than does Mono, actually.
Shirley Marquez Ethical SLut Join date: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 788	08-21-2008 13:47 From: Darkness Anubis This whole Mono thing has me baffled. Does it mean I have to learn a whole new scripting language or can I keep going my merry way with LSL? Right now; you'll still be programming in LSL. If you choose to compile to Mono (which will be optional in the 1.21 viewer), your code will be compiled to Mono and executed by its runtime engine, instead of being executed by the current LSL runtime. It's likely that compiling new scripts to Mono will become mandatory at some future time, after LL is certain that everything is working well. Runtime support of old LSL scripts will not go away any time soon, as there are existing objects containing compiled scripts for which the source code no longer exists. In the future, LL may make it possible to write scripts in languages other than LSL; Mono will make that easier to do, and it sure would be nice to have a language with real data structures and objects! Any other language would have to be augmented with SL-specific function calls, and vector and quaternion data types, comparable to the ones currently available in LSL, so I don't see that being a near-term project.
Brenda Connolly Un United Avatar Join date: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 25,000	08-21-2008 15:00 I see a lot of inventory deleting in my future _____________________ Don't you ever try to look behind my eyes. You don't want to know what they have seen. http://brenda-connolly.blogspot.com
Leslie Trihey Crazy shapeshifter. Join date: 10 May 2007 Posts: 136	08-21-2008 15:09 Hope I don't lose my hat. Any new feature were you lose your hat is a bad feature.
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	08-21-2008 15:30 From: Marianne McCann This doesn't affect you unless you are going out and kissing other avatars, right? I had it in High School. I'm immune now, right?

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Hold on to your hat's guys .. MONO is commin !!