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Sae Luan
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08-21-2007 09:07
I own an island where I do pretty good with my store, but every now and then I like to rent a vendor space when I stumble across a good location. I've never had a problem doing this before, I've found my best vendor spots this way. However lately, I've rented at 2 different places (based on traffic and the location of my vendor to the landing point) where by the time I came BACK to set up my vendor a day later, these people had moved the landing point! I rent sometimes based SOLELY on the location of MY shop to the landing point.
I feel burned by these people. It seems to me like they just move the landing point around to rent out all of their shops and make everyone think they are getting a good deal when they aren't. Have you ever had a run in with people like this? It pisses me off so bad tht I don't even want to set my vendor up when I see this has happened.  _____________________
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Bubba Biberman
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08-21-2007 09:28
One of my most profitable vendors is at Lucky Chair Station in Popfuzz. The whole thing is like a bowl with 4 sets of stairs leading from the first to the third floor. Popfuzz changes the landing point every week or so to the top of one of the stairways, just so no one has a permanent advantage. Sometimes I get turned around and cant find my own shop, but 25% of the time I am very near the landing point.
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Sae Luan
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08-21-2007 09:36
I suppose it can work out, but I still feel shafted when I rent from the space right in front of the landing point and the next day I come back to set up and it is completely across from the landing point in the back of the sim. That's quite a difference.
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Jesseaitui Petion
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08-21-2007 09:54
LOL!
"WTH Vendor spaces & the everchanging landing point " I know right? I have many "wtf @ vendor spot owner" complaints which leave me renting less and less. I especially hate when someone asks me to rent at their BRAND NEW mall with no traffic and expect me to pay top dollar. mmno. What a risk that is, give some free weeks or something! _____________________
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Sae Luan
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08-21-2007 10:26
Both of these places had unusually high minimum rental periods, so I suppose I should have been a bit more suspisious in the first place.
 On top of it pissing me off anyway, I don't have the best memory in the world LOL. You keep moving the landing point and eventually I'm going to forget where my vendor space is alltogether.  _____________________
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Darien Caldwell
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08-21-2007 12:12
Many malls routinely rotate the landing point to give everyone renting a chance to be "next to" the landing point. If you are paying extra to be next to the landing point. I can see the issue. If everyone is paying the same, i think it's quite fair to rotate the landing point.
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Sexy Partridge
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08-21-2007 12:24
Well I own a mall, and landing spot is always the same. I find instead of changing landing spot all the time, put up a directory board and place different classifieds for your vendors. My vendors know what they get when they come here. I don't feel it's fair to change the conditions once they get here.
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Day Oh
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08-21-2007 12:34
And make it clear to potential renters that the landing point is rotated, of course
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Wildefire Walcott
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08-21-2007 12:44
My mall started out as just a way to let some of my friends sell things. I gave them free rental space in a cozy little layout. The place ended up developing some real traffic, though, so I expanded the mall and began charging for any NEW renters who wanted to set up shop. I moved the teleport location to the new wing because I wanted to give my paying tenants an advantage. I actually hadn't considered rotating the TP location before- and while I feel mall owners who do that have their hearts in the right place, it can not only anger renters but confuse customers as well. I don't think I'll do it.
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Johan Laurasia
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08-21-2007 12:47
Yeah, I had the same issue once. The landing point was right next to an open slot, and I felt lucky to get it, then about a week after renting, I went to update a vendor, and the landing point had been moved. Seems like a common trick to mislead renters into grabbing up unrented space. I was in the process of letting my time expire when the sim owner returned the entire mall to convert into a gorean sim... go figure.
Personally, anymore, I dont rent vendor locations. It seems to me that all the good ones are always taken up. I find that I get my best results by posting an ad, which has every concievable (valid) keyword I can think of, combined with a pricey publishing amount (I'm at 2150 a week atm). I get a couple of hundred TP's off the ad, and I figure why bother with mall rentals when it's impossible to find a good one. |
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Sae Luan
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08-21-2007 13:01
If you are renting out space, you owe the potential renters a valid rental information. If I had known the landing points were going to be moved around, I wouldn't have rented at all, no matter what the price was.
All it would take is a mention of it in the rental box information when you click the box to see the rental pricing and such. I feel like most of the people that are doing it and not mentioning it to people are shady. It just feels very misleading to me. _____________________
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Zazas Oz
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Join date: 22 Jan 2005
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08-21-2007 14:45
I rent alot
 And I have 3 big complaints lately....1. The moving Landing Point. I too rent for location and it really isnt fair if they rent a space based on the landing point is right there and you come back and its moved. And they dont usually say the tp will be rotateing either. Isn't that called bait and switch? 2. The Insane amount of rents that people are asking for ex. 500L for 20 prims or 800L for 50 prims... It is ridiculous especaily since the Mall is new... no real traffic and no sales history. Oh and the "its good traffic" but you look and they have campers. LOL you tell them its all camper traffic and they say oh but they cant possibly make that much traffic .. its from shoppers So do they really think I am that ignorant to think that is true or are they? Considering the Mall has been only open a week or most likely a day or two. But what I really wonder about is why do people run and pay it. I think if they didnt get rented they would drop the prices to a reasonable amount but since people will pay it they are getting higher and higher. And sales are dropping more and more. 3. The malls that after you pay 4 week minumum to rent and a few days to a week later they up and poof. You try to contact someone and they dont respond or say there was no refunds. UGGG and this hasnt happened just once lately it is alot! I am begining to think its a new scam build a mall rent them out and then get an alt transfer the money and poof the mall. If the mall is big enough and they rent out 50 stalls at 500 a week... hmmm looks like 100000L :/ That is over 250.00US. Is there any interest among Designers/Renters to band together and not rent anymore of these high rent places and see if we can reverse the upward spiral of Mall Rentals? And before you rent any new places from people you have never heard of ask for minumum rental time of one or 2 weeks or dont rent.. I dont like running and paying rents every week but until I see they are stable I will. Looseing any amount to scammers stings but the less amount is best. |
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Cristalle Karami
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08-21-2007 15:03
I rent alot And I have 3 big complaints lately....1. The moving Landing Point. I too rent for location and it really isnt fair if they rent a space based on the landing point is right there and you come back and its moved. And they dont usually say the tp will be rotateing either. Isn't that called bait and switch? 2. The Insane amount of rents that people are asking for ex. 500L for 20 prims or 800L for 50 prims... It is ridiculous especaily since the Mall is new... no real traffic and no sales history. Oh and the "its good traffic" but you look and they have campers. LOL you tell them its all camper traffic and they say oh but they cant possibly make that much traffic .. its from shoppers So do they really think I am that ignorant to think that is true or are they? Considering the Mall has been only open a week or most likely a day or two. But what I really wonder about is why do people run and pay it. I think if they didnt get rented they would drop the prices to a reasonable amount but since people will pay it they are getting higher and higher. And sales are dropping more and more. 3. The malls that after you pay 4 week minumum to rent and a few days to a week later they up and poof. You try to contact someone and they dont respond or say there was no refunds. UGGG and this hasnt happened just once lately it is alot! I am begining to think its a new scam build a mall rent them out and then get an alt transfer the money and poof the mall. If the mall is big enough and they rent out 50 stalls at 500 a week... hmmm looks like 100000L :/ That is over 250.00US. Is there any interest among Designers/Renters to band together and not rent anymore of these high rent places and see if we can reverse the upward spiral of Mall Rentals? And before you rent any new places from people you have never heard of ask for minumum rental time of one or 2 weeks or dont rent.. I dont like running and paying rents every week but until I see they are stable I will. Looseing any amount to scammers stings but the less amount is best. I would in no way shape or form rent from anyone for that much. Granted, they are probably paying for campers to have the rent that high...but on to the rest of the post. To be fair, you can't really judge the long term performance based on less than one week. Especially if the place is new, and it's summertime - player usage is down. 4 weeks is unfair, I think, but I wouldn't gripe over one or two weeks. |
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08-21-2007 15:13
LOL! "WTH Vendor spaces & the everchanging landing point " I know right? I have many "wtf @ vendor spot owner" complaints which leave me renting less and less. I especially hate when someone asks me to rent at their BRAND NEW mall with no traffic and expect me to pay top dollar. mmno. What a risk that is, give some free weeks or something! ~Binder mall~ buy two, get one free. i'm offering.  _____________________
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Jesseaitui Petion
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08-21-2007 15:14
Personally I`m sick of renting. When I was new I felt I needed to rent, now I rent very very minimally. Though I cant get away from the constant mall spam I get upon each login.
But like mentioned already, the high rent prices for low prims and no traffic never seem to amaze me. Some of the places ive been solicted to have higher rental prices than I myself charge for the merchant space on my commerical sim, and I have way more traffic than they, I dont get it. Also, if the place has like a minimum 2 weeks+ I will not rent. I think if a mall owner is new and going to solicit you to rent there they should offer you some type of deal. Do they *really* expect us to just take a plunge and then have to count our losses? I guess they do. And I guess people keep on taking the risk. I couldn`t be bothered with it any longer. _____________________
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3Ring Binder
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08-21-2007 15:14
I own an island where I do pretty good with my store, but every now and then I like to rent a vendor space when I stumble across a good location. I've never had a problem doing this before, I've found my best vendor spots this way. However lately, I've rented at 2 different places (based on traffic and the location of my vendor to the landing point) where by the time I came BACK to set up my vendor a day later, these people had moved the landing point! I rent sometimes based SOLELY on the location of MY shop to the landing point. I feel burned by these people. It seems to me like they just move the landing point around to rent out all of their shops and make everyone think they are getting a good deal when they aren't. Have you ever had a run in with people like this? It pisses me off so bad tht I don't even want to set my vendor up when I see this has happened. i agree, but from the shopper's perspective. if LM setting is off, i am subject to TP in to whereever they designate, even if my LM in my inventory says otherwise. it's very confusing and annoying. _____________________
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Jesseaitui Petion
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08-21-2007 15:15
~Binder mall~ buy two, get one free. i'm offering. Thats a pretty reasonable deal many probably like. I myself normally can not pass up a "Buy one week, get one week free" deal, though. (If I have never rented there before, that is. If ive been a merchant with the mall owner and do well there then I take advantage of their specials since I know I make sales) lol _____________________
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3Ring Binder
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08-21-2007 15:17
Well I own a mall, and landing spot is always the same. I find instead of changing landing spot all the time, put up a directory board and place different classifieds for your vendors. My vendors know what they get when they come here. I don't feel it's fair to change the conditions once they get here. Sexy Partridge *nods* i have my landing point set up in front of the rental vendor. so, the person arriving can TP to the correct shop. the fact that someone is renting that stall is 'lucky them' for being the first to rent. it's been advertised for a long time now, and if someone else wanted that premium spot, they should have jumped. my renter must like it there, cuz she keeps staying! that's how i see it. _____________________
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3Ring Binder
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08-21-2007 15:24
Thats a pretty reasonable deal many probably like. I myself normally can not pass up a "Buy one week, get one week free" deal, though. (If I have never rented there before, that is. If ive been a merchant with the mall owner and do well there then I take advantage of their specials since I know I make sales) lol i charge $150/40 prims, $200/60 prims. so, $350 for the whole floor, 100 prims. and i don't advertise 1 week free with 2 weeks paid, but if you IM me about it i will. i have it set to rent out from 1 weeks up to 4 weeks. after 1 week, someone might not be happy and i think they should be able to pull out. i also have a nice park outside, so if you want to have some friends over to hang at the pond, it's right there. i have nmy outdoor stuff for sale out there, but i see people sitting there a lot, jsut hanging. they must like the atmosphere. i got all my renting advice from folks here in this forum. and you know wut, you guys are great! and you know wut else, i think i should give my current renter the free week too, if i'm willing to do it for new customers. i know you didn't suggest it, but you planted the bug in my head, so thanks. Sae, i hope your situation works out in that you still get a ton of sales, even though you got duped. i would never change the place of the landing point, but even moreso now that i know it's fishy. (edit) so how would i do the free week? jsut give them the rent money as a gift? _____________________
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Jesseaitui Petion
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08-21-2007 15:27
i have it set to rent out from 1 weeks up to 4 weeks. after 1 week, someone might not be happy and i think they should be able to pull out. I thuroughly agree. i know you didn't suggest it, but you planted the bug in my head, so thanks.  (edit) so how would i do the free week? jsut give them the rent money as a gift?  _____________________
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3Ring Binder
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08-21-2007 15:29
oh man, i'll have to learn how to do that. that'll involves opening things and reading scripts and instructions.... uh oh.
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Capella DeCuir
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08-21-2007 18:45
On the topic of malls.... Do people usually get a positive return on rent?
I haven't manged to drive much traffic to my shop and if people actually manage to get sales out of malls, I might give a vendor slot a try for a week or two and see if I have better luck without resorting to camping to duke it out with a very competitive field. My traffic (not the number specifically, but the number of people hitting the shop) is so low I can't even figure out if it's the goods that are the problem or the advertising. I'm hoping it the latter- because that's fixable with enough exposure. |
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Sae Luan
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08-21-2007 19:09
I rent alot And I have 3 big complaints lately....1. The moving Landing Point. I too rent for location and it really isnt fair if they rent a space based on the landing point is right there and you come back and its moved. And they dont usually say the tp will be rotateing either. Isn't that called bait and switch? 2. The Insane amount of rents that people are asking for ex. 500L for 20 prims or 800L for 50 prims... It is ridiculous especaily since the Mall is new... no real traffic and no sales history. Oh and the "its good traffic" but you look and they have campers. LOL you tell them its all camper traffic and they say oh but they cant possibly make that much traffic .. its from shoppers So do they really think I am that ignorant to think that is true or are they? Considering the Mall has been only open a week or most likely a day or two. But what I really wonder about is why do people run and pay it. I think if they didnt get rented they would drop the prices to a reasonable amount but since people will pay it they are getting higher and higher. And sales are dropping more and more. 3. The malls that after you pay 4 week minumum to rent and a few days to a week later they up and poof. You try to contact someone and they dont respond or say there was no refunds. UGGG and this hasnt happened just once lately it is alot! I am begining to think its a new scam build a mall rent them out and then get an alt transfer the money and poof the mall. If the mall is big enough and they rent out 50 stalls at 500 a week... hmmm looks like 100000L :/ That is over 250.00US. Is there any interest among Designers/Renters to band together and not rent anymore of these high rent places and see if we can reverse the upward spiral of Mall Rentals? And before you rent any new places from people you have never heard of ask for minumum rental time of one or 2 weeks or dont rent.. I dont like running and paying rents every week but until I see they are stable I will. Looseing any amount to scammers stings but the less amount is best. I think one way we could avoid these people is to ignore places that have no source of traffic other than camping and a hell of alot of vending space. I recnetly rented at a place witha club and camping just to see how I would do because my space was in front of the landing point. 2 days later, the landing point was different and I've made about 3 sales there in 2 weeks time. That's really not normal for me at all. In places where I've rented that are owned by other designers, I've always done well and never experienced the changing landing point. Maybe if all the people who rented stopped renting anywhere other than at other designer's places, we could drive out these people that are doing these rental scams, but realistically, I don't think there's anyway all the renters are going to come together on that. Greed sort of drives most people in SL I'm coming to find out and if someone thinks they can make a little money, they would probably just drop the cause. The best route, if you are a renter, talk to your friends that also rent and tell them to support SL's real shopping areas so we can get rid of these other places. I know I'm going to stop renting at places that don't have a large business driving traffic. It's just not worth it. I've lost too much money lately renting at places that are just trying to scam people. I rented at a new place recently and then the guy came over notices after renting out all his spaces at a good cheap price and told everyone "oh sorry, I have to up the rental prices. If you want to stay you will have to pay double." His reasoning? To pay tier fees. I was disgusted and made sure to get on his group chat and let him and everyone else know that I own an entire island and don't even need to charge half that much to make my island's tier (this guy owned far less land than me). Needless to say, I won't be renewing my rent there or at any of these other places that have moved the landing points. _____________________
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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08-21-2007 19:55
what I hate is when I rent somewhere and prepay for a month, then 2 weeks later they shut down, taking my money and returning my stuff
and no refund coming, I HATE that which is why I will not do that to anyone when I put out the rental boxes to start renting the stores and apartments and houses and trailers in the movix sim, I will refund if for any reason I close it (which I have no plans to do, worked too hard to build it) or if I have to move the store/apartment/etc that is rented out. I hope that makes sense it is sad to see that some ppl are shying away from renting spaces. I am one of those people, I am seeing too many of the cookie cutter "malls" yeah ok, a bunch of cubicles, no rhyme or reason. give me a theme!! which is ... again.. why I am doing the movix city build. If you are curious about the movix city, just look in my picks in world, and come on over. Might be pleasantly surprised. I am hoping to start opening for rentals soon. (just need to do some research on pricing, do not want to over price or under price the spaces) _____________________
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08-21-2007 20:03
that guy was FOS, Sae. I owe WAAAAY more tier than i could ever hope to recover from rent. but, that's not why i made the rental place. i wanted to "make" something, and have it be useful. it is fun to manage and update and create new things to make it better.... and buy more land to up my prim count cuz i'm addicted. LOLOL
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