I asked for what seemed to be the impossible. A script that would allow me to make a copy of the banned users in a sim. I wasn't expecting a lot just a way to copy and paste the banned list provided by SL. I gave up when the direction of the request started turning into something other than what I was asking for. I received an IM from Day OH Saying not to give up that he could make such a list copier. What I got was far from being a simple list copier.
It was a program that not only would allow me to copy the list but after inserting the region name I wanted, it would search all properties in that region and report banned players under individual property titles. It is simply awesome. Day OH IMHO is the greatest scripter in SL. Instead of saying it was impossible he went to work to create a masterpiece. He is definately the King of all SL scripters!!
For all of those who need to know the purpose of such a program. It is simply to find a ratio of banned vs average number of online people. Not all people banned from a property is a griefer or troublemaker. There are many reasons persons are banned by property owners. The information gathered is for personal research and will not be shared or posted.
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Tana Smirnov
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12-03-2007 05:31
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Arua Rotaru
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12-03-2007 05:40
so for your lil experiment your going to scan our land without permission to gather ban lists that are the land owners/renters business not yours?
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Tana Smirnov
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12-03-2007 05:56
It is common knowledge posted by SL. Coming onto your property? Not at all. The program only checks the lists that SL has made and is posted in public domain. It is not trespassing and if you think I am doing something against the TOS or COC then I would suggest that you definately report it.
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12-03-2007 05:59
where is it public knowledge?
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Tana Smirnov
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12-03-2007 06:05
This is very simple. If you think that this is against the TOS or the COC then you should report it.
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Raudf Fox
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12-03-2007 06:11
I don't think any of us want to report it, at least until we understand the process. If you could provide more information about the information gathering process, I'd be grateful.
Keep in mind that most people have issues with bots just popping into areas, scanning everything and reporting it, without an option to opt out or in. _____________________
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Kitty Barnett
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12-03-2007 06:19
The name<->address relation of everyone listed in the phone book for a given city is public information.
A nametag on a letterbox is public information. However, going from door to door and writing down every name on every letterbox for every house in a city in automated fashion to compile your own list for you to datamine for whatever purpose is crossing the line. Not that I would ever expect datamining bot owners to be able to grasp that subtle difference  . Congrats to you for bringing yet another bot to the grid, LL will welcome the increase in concurrency. |
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Tana Smirnov
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12-03-2007 06:24
Anytime a property owner bans someone or puts someone onto an access list SL records the names. It does not store them on each property but internally. Just as the map is updated so is the list. there are two ways of accessing this list. Goto the property and click on about property and access the ban list. This list is open for public viewing. The second way is to obtain the information from a general list kept by SL that stores the information for all properties.. This list too is available and is not protected property. The list simply is available to anyone. Once again a post that was set to praise an SL personage has been hijacked into something else. If you would like to discuss this futher I will start another thread about the act of gathering information in SL.
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Atashi Toshihiko
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12-03-2007 06:31
The second way is to obtain the information from a general list kept by SL that stores the information for all properties.. This list too is available and is not protected property. The list simply is available to anyone. Can you provide the URL please, or other link / access information? -Atashi _____________________
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Dekka Raymaker
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12-03-2007 06:41
come on guys lets get real here, there isn't anything like privacy in SL if you have the know-how how to get info, meaning SL info only, (not RL) you can get it.
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Kitty Barnett
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12-03-2007 06:46
Once again a post that was set to praise an SL personage has been hijacked into something else. |
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George Standish
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12-03-2007 06:49
Only a rude American would use ban lines.
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Raudf Fox
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12-03-2007 06:51
Only a rude American would use ban lines. *chortles* Well, to counter that: The only people who are gonna think I'm rude are the ones who know me  Or the people who I don't care what they think of me.. which would be why they are on a ban list in the first place  _____________________
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George Standish
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12-03-2007 06:57
I wonder if this bots programming could be changed to compile a list of paranoid "non-Americans" who use ban lines.
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3Ring Binder
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12-03-2007 06:58
Only a rude American would use ban lines. tell that to my Italian neighbors. this program would be equally entertaining to see how many neighbors have 'each other' banned, but no one else. feuds are horrible little beasts, but i suspect fun to watch froma distance, and when you are not in the mix.  |
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3Ring Binder
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12-03-2007 07:00
I asked for what seemed to be the impossible. A script that would allow me to make a copy of the banned users in a sim. I wasn't expecting a lot just a way to copy and paste the banned list provided by SL. I gave up when the direction of the request started turning into something other than what I was asking for. I received an IM from Day OH Saying not to give up that he could make such a list copier. What I got was far from being a simple list copier. It was a program that not only would allow me to copy the list but after inserting the region name I wanted, it would search all properties in that region and report banned players under individual property titles. It is simply awesome. Day OH IMHO is the greatest scripter in SL. Instead of saying it was impossible he went to work to create a masterpiece. He is definately the King of all SL scripters!! For all of those who need to know the purpose of such a program. It is simply to find a ratio of banned vs average number of online people. Not all people banned from a property is a griefer or troublemaker. There are many reasons persons are banned by property owners. The information gathered is for personal research and will not be shared or posted. you're nosey. |
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Tex Nasworthy
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12-03-2007 07:06
All other discussions and arguements aside, why would you want to gather this info?
After a year in SL only a very small number of people have been added to my ban list. However just recently I noticed that my ban list is completely empty. Has anyone else had this happen? Any ideas how this might happen? <<sticks his tongue out at Dekka.  |
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Raudf Fox
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12-03-2007 07:09
All other discussions and arguements aside, why would you want to gather this info? After a year in SL only a very small number of people have been added to my ban list. However just recently I noticed that my ban list is completely empty. Has anyone else had this happen? Any ideas how this might happen? <<sticks his tongue out at Dekka. Yep. There's often times a nice little bug that causes ban lists to be wiped out. Which is fine, considering that I so rarely use the thing, that when I do, I don't exactly remember WHY the name was there in the first place. (Although in my case, it's due entirely to griefing and or annoying others on my land.) _____________________
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Yumi Murakami
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12-03-2007 07:10
There was nothing in the original post that would make it appropriate for "Resident Answers" to begin with. Posting an announcement that you're unleashing a datamining bot on the grid is just provocative in my opinion. I suspect that it's not a bot - it's world.secondlife.com. There has been some discussion about this on the scripting group - world.secondlife.com is an HTTP server which stores a lot of in-world metadata, such as Classified entries and user's profiles. Also, very unusually, it can be accessed by LSL scripts. This has led to the production of - for example - scripts that can display an avatar's profile picture on a prim as they approach it. As far as I know there's no official documentation for it yet, other that to download the source code to the SL viewer and dismantle it to observe the web accesses it makes. |
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Dekka Raymaker
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12-03-2007 07:10
All other discussions and arguements aside, why would you want to gather this info? After a year in SL only a very small number of people have been added to my ban list. However just recently I noticed that my ban list is completely empty. Has anyone else had this happen? Any ideas how this might happen? <<sticks his tongue out at Dekka. God forbid someone would have a empty ban list…all your ban lists are ours…my ban list is bigger than yours LOL _____________________
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Travis Lambert
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12-03-2007 07:10
Something similar to what you're referring to is already available, in a system called BanLink. http://www.slbanlink.com
The difference is, landowners *choose* to feed their banlist up to BanLink, not the other way around. Once they do, they're allowed to check boxes & 'honor' bans from any number of other locations they choose that also participate. More details here, if you're interested: http://meratalk.com/?p=304 _____________________
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3Ring Binder
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12-03-2007 07:11
i have banned for people that walk around nude, or proposition me... after asking them to dress or leave, only to be ignored and pursued. but, i delete them after a few weeks.
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Kitty Barnett
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12-03-2007 07:12
After a year in SL only a very small number of people have been added to my ban list. However just recently I noticed that my ban list is completely empty. Has anyone else had this happen? Any ideas how this might happen? |
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Kitty Barnett
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12-03-2007 07:24
I suspect that it's not a bot - it's world.secondlife.com. .This has led to the production of - for example - scripts that can display an avatar's profile picture on a prim as they approach it. |
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3Ring Binder
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12-03-2007 07:27
This has led to the production of - for example - scripts that can display an avatar's profile picture on a prim as they approach it. i'm gonna change my profile pic to exhibit 'flipping the bird'. ha ha |