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Abuse Reporting and the problems associated with it.

Kidd Krasner
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12-28-2009 19:10
From: Kara Spengler
*BOGGLES*

Umm, how is some equally applied limit placed on how my land can affect you and your land can affect me in any way bad?

Do you think that a zoning law requiring a building to be 100 away from the front property line is such a limit?
Kidd Krasner
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12-28-2009 19:25
From: Emerald Collins
First, for someone who is so concerned about gaming traffic they file abuse reports and to incite others to do so, while they are camping at the place they are reporting is unconscionable. Not only that but for their group profiles to be full of camping groups, one of which they are the owner of. Really do I have to spell it out for you? This person has a main character who has been in SL since 2004 and are themselves involved in camping. Seems to me it was more a malicious attack on another Sim owner who probably pissed them off somewhere down the line with competition or whatever. My guess is they were turned down for virtual sex. :D (joking)

Do I have to spell out the difference between a false report and a hypocritical or malicious report? I have no problem with you questioning their motives. But that has nothing to do with whether or not they told the truth in their report.



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Actually, it is proof, because the traffic increased before the camping equipment was put out. As I said before, he has done many other things to increase his traffic which are perfectly legal. Besides, everyone has a different view as to what should be factored into the results.

Just because the traffic increased before the camping equipment was deployed doesn't mean that the camping equipment isn't a form of prohibited traffic gaming.
Kara Spengler
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12-28-2009 19:27
From: Kidd Krasner
Do you think that a zoning law requiring a building to be 100 away from the front property line is such a limit?


100 microns? 100 parsecs? The unit sort of matters if a question is about a quantity. :)

Either way though, zoning laws are what is appropriate to the area. If 100 (whatever) is the average setback of your neighbors from the road then why should special little you get an advantage?
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12-28-2009 19:32
From: Emerald Collins
No he was reported by campers on his own sim and they continued to camp after they reported him until he came on 2 hours later and banned them from his sim and took them off his group. One started the whole thing in group chat and cited other campers in the same sim to put in reports. I have the whole chat log for that group and the whole thing was ridiculous. The one who incited the reporting was camping on his sim at the time of reporting him, and continued to sit there collecting his linden after the report as did the others she incited to report. He was banned this morning for 5 mins, then came back on, had an im conversation with a linden and was banned again. This time he has not been let back on as of this post. Not only that, but the inciter openly admits in this group chat that she has a main avatar that is dated back to 2004. I find this kind of thing atrocious. The fact she would make an alt to collect linden from someone elses camping equipment and report them at the same time. Not only that but her alt is in numerous camping groups one of which is her own. Go figure.


ok...well, that's just low down and dirty. But people are low down and dirty here, every day....especially if you are running a business. It generally doesn't result in a banning, though.....just major aggravation. Hopefully, with some chat logs they can get that all squared away. I keep a contingency plan on hand, for someone to step in....in case someone pulls that with me, and the hammer comes down on the wrong party.

Did you file a report and send in your information and offer up chat logs?

Deal is...people are going to do crappy things to you. You have to figure out a way to get over it, and a way to recover when it happens. The more success you have, the more often it will occur.

Getting revenge helps, too. :) Karma baby. Some days Karma needs to be forced.
Kidd Krasner
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12-28-2009 20:12
From: Kara Spengler
100 microns? 100 parsecs? The unit sort of matters if a question is about a quantity. :)

Either way though, zoning laws are what is appropriate to the area. If 100 (whatever) is the average setback of your neighbors from the road then why should special little you get an advantage?

Oops, it's late, I'm sleep deprived and the Concerta has worn off. 100 feet is a common front setback in many areas.

You're sidestepping the issue. Your previous post wasn't simply about the law being equally applied, but also asserted that zoning laws are a "limit placed on how my land can affect you..." It's not a matter of me or anyone getting an advantage, it's a matter of why should government have the authority to dictate a setback in the first place?
Kara Spengler
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12-29-2009 03:41
From: Kidd Krasner
You're sidestepping the issue. Your previous post wasn't simply about the law being equally applied, but also asserted that zoning laws are a "limit placed on how my land can affect you..." It's not a matter of me or anyone getting an advantage, it's a matter of why should government have the authority to dictate a setback in the first place?


You are only quoting me partially:

From: Kara Spengler
Umm, how is some equally applied limit placed on how my land can affect you and your land can affect me in any way bad?


That pretty much IS the definition of equal treatment. A government exists to balance the needs of different people. Do not like their decisions? Vote for someone else.
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Phil Deakins
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12-29-2009 05:43
From: Emerald Collins
No he was reported by campers on his own sim and they continued to camp after they reported him until he came on 2 hours later and banned them from his sim and took them off his group. One started the whole thing in group chat and cited other campers in the same sim to put in reports. I have the whole chat log for that group and the whole thing was ridiculous. The one who incited the reporting was camping on his sim at the time of reporting him, and continued to sit there collecting his linden after the report as did the others she incited to report. He was banned this morning for 5 mins, then came back on, had an im conversation with a linden and was banned again. This time he has not been let back on as of this post. Not only that, but the inciter openly admits in this group chat that she has a main avatar that is dated back to 2004. I find this kind of thing atrocious. The fact she would make an alt to collect linden from someone elses camping equipment and report them at the same time. Not only that but her alt is in numerous camping groups one of which is her own. Go figure.
It's a scummy thing to do - and it does suggest a particular person to me.

But the ARs were justified. 5 minutes wasn't bad. What the second ban was for hasn't been stated. Perhaps he was less than courteous to the Linden he was talking with when he got back in.
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Kidd Krasner
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12-29-2009 06:56
From: Kara Spengler
You are only quoting me partially:


That pretty much IS the definition of equal treatment. A government exists to balance the needs of different people. Do not like their decisions? Vote for someone else.

You're only quoting yourself partially, and you're reduced it to "any law is moral as long as it's applied equally" or "any law is moral as long as it's enacted democratically."

Where I live, zoning laws must be voted on by town meeting, not elected officials. And I've helped draft some of them. So I've struggled with many of these issues. I disagree with your oversimplification, but also disagree with Chris's blanket dismissal. Some zoning laws, such as limiting activities in aquifer zones, are quite justifiable (if you accept any notion of a public resource such as an aquifer used for drinking water). Others are contrived to interfere with free speech, or grant privileges to religious groups, or simply be elitist. And zoning laws are notorious for not being enforced equally.
Kara Spengler
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12-29-2009 07:28
From: Kidd Krasner
You're only quoting yourself partially, and you're reduced it to "any law is moral as long as it's applied equally" or "any law is moral as long as it's enacted democratically."

What did I leave out? I quoted the entire paragraph from which one side was quoted originally.

From: Kidd Krasner
Where I live, zoning laws must be voted on by town meeting, not elected officials. And I've helped draft some of them. So I've struggled with many of these issues. I disagree with your oversimplification, but also disagree with Chris's blanket dismissal.

Oh, I fully admit it was an oversimplification. I was reducing all of civics and such to a sentence or two that would be germane to what was relevant.

From: Kidd Krasner
Some zoning laws, such as limiting activities in aquifer zones, are quite justifiable (if you accept any notion of a public resource such as an aquifer used for drinking water). Others are contrived to interfere with free speech, or grant privileges to religious groups, or simply be elitist. And zoning laws are notorious for not being enforced equally.

True, for example, there is a reason not to let me build, oh, a sewage treatment plant right next to an area the town wants to develop. As with any law, there can be anomalies in how they are applied, but if everyone follows them there are no such problems.
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Mickey Vandeverre
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12-29-2009 07:31
From: Phil Deakins
It's a scummy thing to do - and it does suggest a particular person to me.

But the ARs were justified. 5 minutes wasn't bad. What the second ban was for hasn't been stated. Perhaps he was less than courteous to the Linden he was talking with when he got back in.


Come on, Phil. The first ban was not "justified" unless they are going to do it to everyone on the grid. I see campers on my map every single day.....in almost every plot. 24/7
Anya Ristow
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12-29-2009 08:04
What happened to yesterday's discussion of this incident? Did it turn nasty and get deleted?
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Phil Deakins
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12-29-2009 08:51
From: Anya Ristow
What happened to yesterday's discussion of this incident? Did it turn nasty and get deleted?
Two threads about it magically disappeared yesterday - presumably because they both had conversations copied and pasted in them.
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Phil Deakins
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12-29-2009 08:53
From: Mickey Vandeverre
Come on, Phil. The first ban was not "justified" unless they are going to do it to everyone on the grid. I see campers on my map every single day.....in almost every plot. 24/7
I didn't say that the first ban was justified. I said that the ARs were justified.
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