Porn Scam
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Butch Adzebills
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09-28-2008 20:09
The only RL info you can give anyone, is your own. If you give anyone, including the "owner" of the information, you're breaking the TOS. From my understanding, this covers inworld, SL & non-SL sites. So, be very, very careful. In regards to the porn laws in Australia? You can buy magazines and toys anywhere, but videos and movies, can only be purchased from the ACT (Aust Capital Territory). It's also allowed in the Northern Territory (I believe), but it's a little isolated and not much happens there. However, it's not enforced with much vigour.
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Waterstar Eilde
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09-28-2008 20:29
From: Butch Adzebills In regards to the porn laws in Australia? You can buy magazines and toys anywhere, but videos and movies, can only be purchased from the ACT (Aust Capital Territory). It's also allowed in the Northern Territory (I believe), but it's a little isolated and not much happens there. However, it's not enforced with much vigour. True - but both the ACT and NT have thriving mail order businesses and supply most of Australia's porn. Owning porn is not illegal, but selling it is, and the fact that it cannot legally be purchased in the states is a product of the quaint state/territory set-up. As for vigourous enforcement, that rather depends on perspective. Customs are pretty hot, and certainly in New South Wales, traders who dabble in the illegal side of the trade are prone to fairly regular visits from the boys in blue. I would have thought more to the point in this case is that if a seller deliberately reneges on a promise to provide a product that has been paid for, we're more likely to be talking fraud - misleading and deceptive conduct at the very least. On the positive side, and notwithstanding the trader's lack of brights or manners, one might expect ArchTx to have been inundated with complaints, so it is possible that these are isolated incidences. Then again, of course, the guy's business might just be singularly unsuccessful.
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Waterstar Eilde
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09-28-2008 21:06
P.S. The name of his store is amusing - Australians (and probably many others) will instantly recognise 'B1' as one half of the highly successful children's duo, Bananas in Pyjamas.
You have to wonder at the myspace/SL disjunct - much of the artwork on the website is stunning, yet not a single thing in the porn-selling skybox has been created by him, as far as I could tell. Curiouser and curiouser.
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Raudf Fox
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09-28-2008 21:18
From: Waterstar Eilde P.S. The name of his store is amusing - Australians (and probably many others) will instantly recognise 'B1' as one half of the highly successful children's duo, Bananas in Pyjamas. You have to wonder at the myspace/SL disjunct - much of the artwork on the website is stunning, yet not a single thing in the porn-selling skybox has been created by him, as far as I could tell. Curiouser and curiouser. Why would it be curious? I mean, isn't the point of SL to make money as quickly as possible with as little effort as possible? (Not that I subscribe to this, but...)
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Waterstar Eilde
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09-28-2008 22:01
From: Raudf Fox Why would it be curious? I mean, isn't the point of SL to make money as quickly as possible with as little effort as possible? (Not that I subscribe to this, but...) Good point Raudf - I don't subscribe to the idea either, which is probably why it's not the first thing to spring to mind. If it is the same person behind the avi as on myspace, it just seems a shame he's not offering some of the digital art for sale as well. Perhaps he likes to keep the two businesses separate 
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Tegg Bode
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Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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09-29-2008 01:30
From: ArchTx Edo Any ideas what to do about this scammer?
Two people have contacted me now complaining that they did not receive the product they bought for L$5,000 at the porn store in Lunalis. The purchase is supposed to provide them with a lifetime membership to a porn service. The notecard they recieve promises them "Instant account activation with an email address. Your personal login and password will be sent to you immediately."
The problem is I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT STORE, I DON'T SELL ANY SUCH PRODUCT and never have. Yet the notecard the buyers receive shows me as the creator. Obviously the seller took one of the notecards that my vendors give out and edited it for his own purposes.
The first victim contacted me last Feb., the second victim just a few days ago. I educated them both how to look at the vendor box they purchased from and see who the owner is, and to look at their transaction records to see who the money went to. The victim who contacted about this last Feb. confirms that he never did receive anything from the seller, even after many IM's. When this first happened I IM'd the seller and demanded he stop using my notecards in his scam. I never heard from him and he obviously has not changed anything. I also abuse reported him at that time.
The guy is not to bright, his profile lists his my space site. Going there I found he lists his RL business name and website. whois.net disclosed his name, business address and phone number and an email address. A google search on his name located his facebook site and a few others he frequents. A whitepages.com search produced a residential address and phone number. I was thinking of calling him up but it is in Australia so I have not yet.
I have not done anything further about this and am wondering what would be the most effective way to deal with this. I would like to hear if anyone has any suggestions.
I wonder what the porn laws are like in Australia? Hmmm actually I don't have any indication that he ever actually delivers any porn. Porn laws in Oz are just fine thanks, as long as it's not kiddy porn it's ok  You missed looking him up on Google Earth streetview, then you could pretend you ar from Australia and describe the front of his house to him 
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Conan Godwin
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Not the porn too!!
09-29-2008 01:34
Land and banking scams are one thing; but now they've gone too far. Is nothing sacred!?
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Tegg Bode
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09-29-2008 01:37
From: Waterstar Eilde True - but both the ACT and NT have thriving mail order businesses and supply most of Australia's porn. Owning porn is not illegal, but selling it is, and the fact that it cannot legally be purchased in the states is a product of the quaint state/territory set-up. As for vigourous enforcement, that rather depends on perspective. Customs are pretty hot, and certainly in New South Wales, traders who dabble in the illegal side of the trade are prone to fairly regular visits from the boys in blue. Hmm Porn illegal? Someone perhaps has not mentioned that to most of the newsagents and video stores, I've been too. X rated porn is illegal in most states, but not R rated..........
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Waterstar Eilde
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09-29-2008 02:04
From: Tegg Bode Hmm Porn illegal? Someone perhaps has not mentioned that to most of the newsagents and video stores, I've been too. X rated porn is illegal in most states, but not R rated.......... Perhaps I should qualify then Tegg - I wasn't counting the soft-core R-rated stuff, which isn't really porn in my book. Very interesting feature on our beloved ABC only today about people's perceptions... seems that one lady's idea of porn was the Mills & Boon Black Lace series - no, seriously! Guess I'm right down there at the hard end...
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Love Hastings
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Join date: 21 Aug 2007
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09-29-2008 07:43
Keep sending expensive hookers to his house until he promises to stop.
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Skell Dagger
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09-29-2008 08:10
From: Love Hastings Keep sending expensive MALE hookers to his house until he promises to stop. (Edited that for you. Much more fun  )
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Love Hastings
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09-29-2008 08:14
From: Skell Dagger (Edited that for you. Much more fun  ) To each their own. 
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Eli Schlegal
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09-29-2008 08:31
Is it not possible that these two transactions were just borked by SL? I think it's HIGHLY possible. I can also totally picture myself just grabbing any notecard from my inventory and modifying it without thinking about it not showing me as creator. On the other hand... if the guy really did use your notecard to hide his identity... what makes you think that he would not list someone else's Myspace or Facebook in his profile to further hide his identity?
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Lear Cale
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Join date: 22 Aug 2007
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09-29-2008 08:49
Ignore the suggestion to file a DMCA claim. There is no DMCA claim to make here.
Porn laws are beside the point. No porn was distributed.
Fraud is illegal in Australia. This is fraud. (Of course, if it's fraud involving contraban, one might reconsider filing a claim ...) In theory, it's actionable in RL, but would be far more of a hassle than it's worth. Not to mention that you can't count on them reacting rationally: they might just decide you're a good target for grief or worse.
Best bet, IMHO, is to make a notecard explaining the facts much as you have done here, with a nice little tutorial (including URLs) on how to locate someone's RL info if desired -- and keep it totally nonspecific to the perpetrator here.
Make it clear that you're not responsible and how to identify the responsible party; you're sorry for their loss but it's entirely beyond your means to control (much to your disappointment), and good luck.
Each time you get such a claim, drop the notecard. If they keep pestering you, mute them. This is their problem, not yours, so make it their problem, not yours. You've even done them a big favor by doing the research tips.
And keep in mind the first part of the Hyppocratic oath: First, do no harm. It's a guideline for life in general, only to be broken with careful deliberation and dire necessity.
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ArchTx Edo
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09-29-2008 08:54
From: Eli Schlegal Is it not possible that these two transactions were just borked by SL? I think it's HIGHLY possible. I can also totally picture myself just grabbing any notecard from my inventory and modifying it without thinking about it not showing me as creator. Possible but improbably. Even if it were so he has ignored the IM's and note cards from the customers he ripped off, when they requested that he fulfill his obligations. He also ignored my requests to stop using note cards that show me as creator. From: Eli Schlegal} On the other hand... if the guy really did use your notecard to hide his identity... what makes you think that he would not list someone else's Myspace or Facebook in his profile to further hide his identity?[/QUOTE
I have already considered that as a possibility. But I have reason to believe he is not smart enough to do that.
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ArchTx Edo
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09-29-2008 09:08
From: Butch Adzebills In regards to the porn laws in Australia? You can buy magazines and toys anywhere, but videos and movies, can only be purchased from the ACT (Aust Capital Territory). Interesting, I wonder if selling porn via the internet is a violation. I have not found any evidence yet that the guy sells pornography. He only claims to sell porn, takes the victims money and never delivers anything. I did a google search and found that the Austalian Federal Police http://www.afp.gov.au/national/major_fraud/internet_scams.html investigates internet fraud, scams, identity theft and banking fraud. All of which seem to apply somewhat here. It makes me wonder, when a crime takes place in SL, where is it taking place? Where the servers are? Or where the scammer is located? Or where the victim is? Who has jurisdiction?
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ArchTx Edo
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09-29-2008 09:10
From: Dana Hickman That's correct. It's only disclosure if you reveal an SL avitar's RL info or details to a third party, directly or indirectly. You WOULD get pinched if you passed it to a friend or alt to send to him because he has you muted though. It would be harassment if anything, but a single card would hardly qualify for that IMO. He'd never report it anyway, the guys running a scam and won't risk putting a spotlight on his activities. The WHY, or purpose of the notecard has already been AR'ed and is on record.
ArchTx, 96m global scan distance is a long way... New script.. scan for AV's, if within X distance of vendor.. get ID, message AV. Plop it into a microprim and slide it onto a nearby noreturn parcel underground *evil laugh* Can also move the prim back & forth between 2 return-enabled parcels to avoid return. Not that I've ever done that before *whistles at ceiling innocently* Intriguing ideas. /me takes notes.
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Conan Godwin
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09-29-2008 09:11
From: ArchTx Edo It makes me wonder, when a crime takes place in SL, where is it taking place? Where the servers are? Or where the scammer is located? Or where the victim is? Who has jurisdiction?
I'd say it's the scammer's physical location that matters. We've all agreed to abide by LL's TOS, California state laws and US Federal Laws, but that doesn't free us from being bound by the laws of our own countries. I am sat at my desk in England right now, and all my conduct is occurring in England. I've never even been to San Francisco. To put it another way; the FBI are not going to be kicking my door down whatever I do, but the British police could.
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Eli Schlegal
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09-29-2008 10:19
From: ArchTx Edo Possible but improbably. Even if it were so he has ignored the IM's and note cards from the customers he ripped off, when they requested that he fulfill his obligations. He also ignored my requests to stop using note cards that show me as creator.
"On the other hand... if the guy really did use your notecard to hide his identity... what makes you think that he would not list someone else's Myspace or Facebook in his profile to further hide his identity?"
I have already considered that as a possibility. But I have reason to believe he is not smart enough to do that. If he's not smart enough to use someone else's Myspace then he's not smart enough to pull off the notecard trick. My feeling is the notecard thing was probably a simple mistake and he's probably just really bad at answering IMs... from both you and his unhappy customers.
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ArchTx Edo
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09-29-2008 11:02
From: Eli Schlegal If he's not smart enough to use someone else's Myspace then he's not smart enough to pull off the notecard trick.
My feeling is the notecard thing was probably a simple mistake and he's probably just really bad at answering IMs... from both you and his unhappy customers. Ohhh, so you see him as a poor dumb socially inept fool, and we should feel sorry for him for doing such a poor job selling porn? The way I see it, he is a player who put the myspace link in is profile because he wants to impress potential sexual partners. If he intended to be an honest business person, his whole business model requires that he answer IM's from customers, because he promises to send them information on how to access the lifetime of porn. But what we are seeing in world is that he doesn't actually follow through on that promise. So he pretty much ignores all IM's and notecards while he continues to scam people out of their money. The notecard he gives out was created by someone else. The scripts he uses were created by someone else. The TV he sells was created by someone else, probably a freebie. The sex furniture collection he sells for L$2,500 is all created by others, probably freebies. The lifetime subscription to porn he sells is never delivered after people pay him L$5,000. Yeah, lets all feel sorry for the poor fool.
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ArchTx Edo
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09-29-2008 11:34
I found he is selling his stuff here at SLE also. http://uncensored.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=MarketplaceSearch for "Lifetime XXX SEX ADULT VIDEO Membership Package" Another victim gave him a negative rating there because he never delivered the lifetime membership. Checking out his other products, he is also a seller of freebies, stolen skins and animations.
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Jezebella Desmoulins
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09-29-2008 19:19
Only one person brave enough to leave a review. Pretty typical. Porn is popular item for running scams because chances are good that most if the "customers" won't want to make their name public by posting a complaint. And if LL isn't going to get involved about non-receipt of goods in-world, they certainly aren't going to get involved regarding access to a web site outside SL. As an aside... the words of P.T. Barnum come to mind regarding anyone who believes they can get a lifetime membership to unlimited smut for the equivalent of less than $20.
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Eli Schlegal
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09-30-2008 04:21
From: ArchTx Edo Ohhh, so you see him as a poor dumb socially inept fool, and we should feel sorry for him for doing such a poor job selling porn? Yeah, lets all feel sorry for the poor fool. No... I never mentioned anything about feeling sorry for him. All I'm saying is... consider all possibilities before you start retaliating.
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