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My Account Was Hacked And I've Been Suffering For It.

Salvador Nakamura
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07-17-2008 12:31
From: Bryony Constantine
Those captcha things can be problematic....I knew a site where, because the captcha wasn't working properly, you couldn't access part of it.


thats a bad "install" not a reason not to protect our information on file, i mean how many people use their real creditcard ?
not using captcha and having the login name, makes it way to easy to have a program run passwords ?

* i never tried it , but im not sure if it even blocks the login after a certain number of bad pw's ?
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Ordinal Malaprop
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07-17-2008 12:31
It is, and it is a pain in the rear - the use of captchas has basically prevented automated access to one's transaction records. Captchas provide no additional security to an account and should _not_ be used for logins - they are meant to prevent automated _registrations_.
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07-17-2008 12:38
From: Ordinal Malaprop
It is, and it is a pain in the rear - the use of captchas has basically prevented automated access to one's transaction records. Captchas provide no additional security to an account and should _not_ be used for logins - they are meant to prevent automated _registrations_.


They provide security by requiring that a human do the logging in, instead of a script simply trying password combos until successful. Captcha has never kept me from my own account information, commenting on a blog or anything else.

Yes, true, it prevents automated access. Which is fine, I don't want automated access of any sort to my account in the first place, unless it's through my bank, paypal or myself. I don't need a script to do my banking for me, thanks. :)
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07-17-2008 12:40
My vote goes to "Keylogger".

It could be SO easy to install! Whether by "drive-by" or tricking you into installing it. It's not like a crafty individual couldnt rename it to some innocuous name, letting you set yourself up, then have it appear as if the "program you 'think it is'" doesnt work.
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07-17-2008 12:42
So, back to this threads subject of having your account hacked, how will captcha prevent somebody who's stolen your password from doing whatever they want with it?
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Ghosty Kips
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07-17-2008 12:49
From: Meade Paravane
So, back to this threads subject of having your account hacked, how will captcha prevent somebody who's stolen your password from doing whatever they want with it?


It doesnt prevent someone from getting in with a stolen password. It prevents brute-force password guessing via scripts. A keylogger will not be stopped by captcha.

To stop someone with a stolen password, you'd need a verification question of some sort I think, and even that's not a guarentee if the thief happens to know you.
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07-17-2008 12:54
From: Salvador Nakamura
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not using captcha and having the login name, makes it way to easy to have a program run passwords ? ....
I download a password cracker once to run against my oracle databases at work to see how many users had too simple of passwords. I ran it against a few of the complex passwords that I use on different personal and administrative accounts. For each of my passwords, I cancelled the routine after it had run for 48 hours without cracking the passwords. Out of 8 of my passwords, I only had one cracked in less than 48 hours and that one took 42 hours.

Very few hackers are going to go to those extremes to crack an SL password.
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Salvador Nakamura
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07-17-2008 12:57
From: Ordinal Malaprop
They prevent automated access, but they are not the only way by any means of preventing brute-force attacks - it is childishly simple to prevent those by having a limit on the number of unsuccessful tries for an account. Which LL already have.


ah, Very Happy to hear they have


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Annabelle Babii
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07-17-2008 12:57
From: LittleMe Jewell

Very few hackers are going to go to those extremes to crack an SL password.


What, they won't work that hard for $1000L?

Come on, that's like four whole bucks!
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07-17-2008 13:12
From: Ghosty Kips
They provide security by requiring that a human do the logging in, instead of a script simply trying password combos until successful. Captcha has never kept me from my own account information, commenting on a blog or anything else.

Yes, true, it prevents automated access. Which is fine, I don't want automated access of any sort to my account in the first place, unless it's through my bank, paypal or myself. I don't need a script to do my banking for me, thanks. :)

Broken, broken, broken:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha#Circumvention

Especially where relay attacks are concerned.


The only type of logging in you would stop are basic website logins, and temporarily at that. libSL and recompiled clients would avoid most login captcha implementations in a pinch.
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07-17-2008 13:13
From: Annabelle Babii
What, they won't work that hard for $1000L?

Come on, that's like four whole bucks!

That is, unless it's thousands of accounts harvested in a small amount of time.... :o

We had that sort of problem back when people were signing up free accounts to game stipend payments. Large volume of accounts plus small payoff equals much larger payoff in aggregate.
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07-17-2008 13:54
From: Bryony Constantine
I didn't give my password to anybody....I used a strong password with numbers and letters. Mine didn't form a normal word or phrase, either. Hmmmph.
I was CAREFUL. There are some clever swines out there.

If they want to they can hack into all kinds of online things. Thanks for your sympathy...not.


Could have happened from your puter also nerver NEVER goto a url mentioned in game or on and SL blog or fourm always type it in manually never click ANY link even one provided by the Lab.
O and change your password each week different days.
and really importand get AVG its free and the best anti virus out there.
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07-17-2008 16:53
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Conan Godwin
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07-17-2008 21:57
The lesson here is to make sure that you use a different password for SL than the one you use for your favourite hentai tentacle rape yaoi porn sites - just in case.
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Macphisto Angelus
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07-17-2008 22:06
From: Conan Godwin
The lesson here is to make sure that you use a different password for SL than the one you use for your favourite hentai tentacle rape yaoi porn sites - just in case.


The site I go to is free access. No password needed. :D
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Senga Tsarchon
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07-17-2008 22:24
From: Salvador Nakamura
thats a bad "install" not a reason not to protect our information on file, i mean how many people use their real creditcard ?
not using captcha and having the login name, makes it way to easy to have a program run passwords ?

* i never tried it , but im not sure if it even blocks the login after a certain number of bad pw's ?

So if you can't read the bloody mangled captcha well enough to log in, you're screwed until you can get someone to answer the phone. Not useful. I had an email server that routinely forced me to guess at three captcha phrases before it logged me in. Didn't matter if I got it right - three tries, no less.

That's not a good way to enforce security. It's just code wanking.
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