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FD Spark

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Join date: 30 Oct 2006

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11-06-2007 02:49

Everyone use to be able to own land but that was 2003 in Beta.
I do think they make more money if they allowed everyone to pay tier but that would mean non premium would have to put up their credit cards or billing information some don't trust or want SL to have it.
I don't think SL is hurting for money or they do more to generate income unless they do in sneaky ways that we don't know about.

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bilbo99 Emu

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Join date: 27 Oct 2006

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11-06-2007 03:02

Well, Bilbo and his premium alt pay $144US pa.

Bilbo is semi-old timer so gets 400L$ but alt being newer gets 300 so together, 700L$ stipend .. or welfare .. makes 36400L$ pa at Lindals conversion rate is 137$US.

Now, having formed a group and donating both 512 allowances I have a comfortable little home in a 1024 sunset viewing hillside. The land cost something in the region of 3kL$, the first 512 having been got with the old First Land scheme so for Lindals case of talking people into premium, my land purchase price puts a bit of a spanner in the works.

However!!! disregarding land purchase (which should be largely recuperable in the event of selling) I'm having the time of my SecondLife in a tier-free 1024 for a whacking 7$US pa!

My point in the argument folk have put about buying lindens when you want them is that with a weekly stipend, there is a great motivation to curb spending to meet it whereas the temptation to just hit that 'buy lindens' button could crop up any time. OK, some folk have better self control than me, I admit!

Finally, on the score that some others have pointed out that LL get more income from tier than premium .... er .. <cough> .. they must *really* love me!!

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Hawkfire Ducatillon

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Join date: 4 Jul 2007

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Which sim?

11-06-2007 03:56

Walker, perhaps you could let me know which sim has the 512s to rent? I'm keen to try before I buy if the rental is reasonable, but I haven't found many to choose from so far. Thanks.

Oryx Tempel

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Join date: 8 Nov 2006

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11-06-2007 03:59

I think it was an example. There are tons and tons of sims with rental lots. Take some time to find the one that you like.

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Sling Trebuchet

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Join date: 20 Jan 2007

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11-06-2007 04:33

From: Elanthius Flagstaff

You do not need to be premium. I've got several customers who used to pay VAT to LL and now rent tier from my group.

You invite me to join your group and tell me how much tier you want to rent (For example, you need 466sqm of tier donated to a group to own 512sqm). I donate the tier. You pay me for the amount of tier you've requested on a weekly or monthly basis.

For those who want to rent their tier to me, it's just the reverse. I send you an invitation to my group and you donate your tier, and I pay you.

Now there's a thought that had escaped me up until now.
If a non-Premium can create a group. The group can buy land with tier donated_by/rented_from Premiums, the a non-Prem can (in terms of control) own mainland.
My non-Prem Alt got as far as the standard "You wanna spend L$100 to create a group? Are you crazy??" dialog, so I'd guess a Yes would have her a group.

Someone doing that would have to be prepared to upgrade to Premium in a hurry if the donated/rented tier suddenly shrank for whatever reason.

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Lindal Kidd

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Join date: 26 Jun 2007

Posts: 8,371

11-06-2007 09:39

From: Sling Trebuchet

Now there's a thought that had escaped me up until now.
If a non-Premium can create a group. The group can buy land with tier donated_by/rented_from Premiums, the a non-Prem can (in terms of control) own mainland.
My non-Prem Alt got as far as the standard "You wanna spend L$100 to create a group? Are you crazy??" dialog, so I'd guess a Yes would have her a group.

Someone doing that would have to be prepared to upgrade to Premium in a hurry if the donated/rented tier suddenly shrank for whatever reason.

I've thought about creating a crew of premium-account alts and putting them all in a group to pay the tier on a good sized piece of land for my primary character's use. You could pay tier on an 8192 parcel for "free" with a group of about 14 alts. The annual cost in Premium memberships would be just a little bit less than I'm currently spending, counting rent and all other purchases.

The only problem is, what would I do with all that stipend? It's much more than I need...so I'd probably save it up and buy more land, which would require more tier, and that would require more alts which would generate more stipend....

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Okiphia Rayna

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Join date: 22 Sep 2007

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11-06-2007 09:41

From: Lindal Kidd

I've thought about creating a crew of premium-account alts and putting them all in a group to pay the tier on a good sized piece of land for my primary character's use. You could pay tier on an 8192 parcel for "free" with a group of about 14 alts. The annual cost in Premium memberships would be just a little bit less than I'm currently spending, counting rent and all other purchases.

The only problem is, what would I do with all that stipend? It's much more than I need...so I'd probably save it up and buy more land, which would require more tier, and that would require more alts which would generate more stipend....

save it up and use it to pay off those premium accounts.... as mentioned in the first post lol.. then you really do own all of that land for free ^^

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Hate Hastings

Two Track Mind

Join date: 17 Oct 2007

Posts: 340

11-06-2007 09:43

From: Lindal Kidd

The only problem is, what would I do with all that stipend? It's much more than I need...

Perhaps you could put it towards a new car, instead of buying used.

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Wilhelm Neumann

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Join date: 20 Apr 2006

Posts: 2,204

11-06-2007 11:36

From: Lindal Kidd

Why aren't you a Premium member, huh?

Cause i'm on a mainland free diet and pay my tier to a private land baron and cant be bothered to figure out how to effectively keep 512 meters of virtual dirt possibly surrounded by spinning whirling things rented.

Once upon a time i was a premium holder and owned land and then one day i got better and now i have land on a private estate and am free of griefing land owner neighbours who get all pissy and have hate battles with transparent walls and other things to block me because they dont like the fact my avatar totes virtual drugs and smokes.

I got tired of fighting with neighbours to be allowed to use my little chunk of land so i gave up and left and am all the more happy for it.

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FD Spark Prim & Texture Doodler Join date: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 4,697	11-06-2007 02:49 Everyone use to be able to own land but that was 2003 in Beta. I do think they make more money if they allowed everyone to pay tier but that would mean non premium would have to put up their credit cards or billing information some don't trust or want SL to have it. I don't think SL is hurting for money or they do more to generate income unless they do in sneaky ways that we don't know about. _____________________ Look for my alt Dagon Xanith on Youtube.com Newest video is Loneliness by Duo Zikr DX's Alts & SL Art Death of Avatar
bilbo99 Emu Garrett's No.1 fan Join date: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,468	11-06-2007 03:02 Well, Bilbo and his premium alt pay $144US pa. Bilbo is semi-old timer so gets 400L$ but alt being newer gets 300 so together, 700L$ stipend .. or welfare .. makes 36400L$ pa at Lindals conversion rate is 137$US. Now, having formed a group and donating both 512 allowances I have a comfortable little home in a 1024 sunset viewing hillside. The land cost something in the region of 3kL$, the first 512 having been got with the old First Land scheme so for Lindals case of talking people into premium, my land purchase price puts a bit of a spanner in the works. However!!! disregarding land purchase (which should be largely recuperable in the event of selling) I'm having the time of my SecondLife in a tier-free 1024 for a whacking 7$US pa! My point in the argument folk have put about buying lindens when you want them is that with a weekly stipend, there is a great motivation to curb spending to meet it whereas the temptation to just hit that 'buy lindens' button could crop up any time. OK, some folk have better self control than me, I admit! Finally, on the score that some others have pointed out that LL get more income from tier than premium .... er .. <cough> .. they must really love me!! _____________________ Be polite .. that newbie could be your next ex-partner.
Hawkfire Ducatillon Registered User Join date: 4 Jul 2007 Posts: 5	Which sim? 11-06-2007 03:56 Walker, perhaps you could let me know which sim has the 512s to rent? I'm keen to try before I buy if the rental is reasonable, but I haven't found many to choose from so far. Thanks.
Oryx Tempel Registered User Join date: 8 Nov 2006 Posts: 7,663	11-06-2007 03:59 I think it was an example. There are tons and tons of sims with rental lots. Take some time to find the one that you like. _____________________
Sling Trebuchet Deleted User Join date: 20 Jan 2007 Posts: 4,548	11-06-2007 04:33 From: Elanthius Flagstaff You do not need to be premium. I've got several customers who used to pay VAT to LL and now rent tier from my group. You invite me to join your group and tell me how much tier you want to rent (For example, you need 466sqm of tier donated to a group to own 512sqm). I donate the tier. You pay me for the amount of tier you've requested on a weekly or monthly basis. For those who want to rent their tier to me, it's just the reverse. I send you an invitation to my group and you donate your tier, and I pay you. Now there's a thought that had escaped me up until now. If a non-Premium can create a group. The group can buy land with tier donated_by/rented_from Premiums, the a non-Prem can (in terms of control) own mainland. My non-Prem Alt got as far as the standard "You wanna spend L$100 to create a group? Are you crazy??" dialog, so I'd guess a Yes would have her a group. Someone doing that would have to be prepared to upgrade to Premium in a hurry if the donated/rented tier suddenly shrank for whatever reason. _____________________ Maggie: We give our residents a lot of tools, to build, create, and manage their lands and objects. That flexibility also requires people to exercise judgment about when things should be used. http://www.ace-exchange.com/home/story/BDVR/589
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	11-06-2007 09:39 From: Sling Trebuchet Now there's a thought that had escaped me up until now. If a non-Premium can create a group. The group can buy land with tier donated_by/rented_from Premiums, the a non-Prem can (in terms of control) own mainland. My non-Prem Alt got as far as the standard "You wanna spend L$100 to create a group? Are you crazy??" dialog, so I'd guess a Yes would have her a group. Someone doing that would have to be prepared to upgrade to Premium in a hurry if the donated/rented tier suddenly shrank for whatever reason. I've thought about creating a crew of premium-account alts and putting them all in a group to pay the tier on a good sized piece of land for my primary character's use. You could pay tier on an 8192 parcel for "free" with a group of about 14 alts. The annual cost in Premium memberships would be just a little bit less than I'm currently spending, counting rent and all other purchases. The only problem is, what would I do with all that stipend? It's much more than I need...so I'd probably save it up and buy more land, which would require more tier, and that would require more alts which would generate more stipend.... _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Okiphia Rayna DemonEye Benefactor Join date: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 2,103	11-06-2007 09:41 From: Lindal Kidd I've thought about creating a crew of premium-account alts and putting them all in a group to pay the tier on a good sized piece of land for my primary character's use. You could pay tier on an 8192 parcel for "free" with a group of about 14 alts. The annual cost in Premium memberships would be just a little bit less than I'm currently spending, counting rent and all other purchases. The only problem is, what would I do with all that stipend? It's much more than I need...so I'd probably save it up and buy more land, which would require more tier, and that would require more alts which would generate more stipend.... save it up and use it to pay off those premium accounts.... as mentioned in the first post lol.. then you really do own all of that land for free ^^ _____________________ Owner of DemonEye Designs Custom Building and Landscaping Owner and Blogger, Okiphia's Life http://okiphiablog.blogspot.com/
Hate Hastings Two Track Mind Join date: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 340	11-06-2007 09:43 From: Lindal Kidd The only problem is, what would I do with all that stipend? It's much more than I need... Perhaps you could put it towards a new car, instead of buying used. _____________________ You are definitely slutty in the best possible definitions of the word. Dirty, hot, and a little scary, but in a good way. I'd like do awful things to you, but I'm pretty sure you'd snap me in two like a twig and leave me cross-eyed, dizzy and confused. I'm giving you a 9.8, tied for the top rating ever given. Almost off-the charts slutty. Shame on you and congratulations. -- Trout
Wilhelm Neumann Runs with Crayons Join date: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 2,204	11-06-2007 11:36 From: Lindal Kidd Why aren't you a Premium member, huh? Cause i'm on a mainland free diet and pay my tier to a private land baron and cant be bothered to figure out how to effectively keep 512 meters of virtual dirt possibly surrounded by spinning whirling things rented. Once upon a time i was a premium holder and owned land and then one day i got better and now i have land on a private estate and am free of griefing land owner neighbours who get all pissy and have hate battles with transparent walls and other things to block me because they dont like the fact my avatar totes virtual drugs and smokes. I got tired of fighting with neighbours to be allowed to use my little chunk of land so i gave up and left and am all the more happy for it. _____________________ From: Raymond Figtree I know the competition that will come along someday is learning from LL's mistakes. But do they have to make so many?

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