What if beta content-restrictions don't work?

If nobody chooses to be "verified" then this is a moot issue. Is LL going to ban all of their customers because they didn't choose to be verified?

In my unprofessional opinion only a raving lunatic would hand over their personal information to a company (Aristotle) that is in the business of selling personal information to politicians and corporations.

Blinded by common sense you seem to have completely missed my point - I didn't for example say this was in a PG sim, I said that material was PG.

The examples I gave were all examples where on a single plot of land, the land owner has segregated the material into an area where all are welcome and there is no adult material, and a clearly labelled adult area on a different level/altitude - this has worked fine in the past and is a very common practice.

Basically what you are saying is that anyone wanting an area accessible to all and an area age restricted will have to buy an additional parcel! Having to double your land to achieve the same thing as you currently have is not common sense!

Take the mall example - 4 floors with adult material restricted to the top floor. The owner now has the following choices:


i) leave it as is relying on the signs or perhaps an inworld security system to keep non-verifieds out of the top floor, and hope he doesn't get ARed for having adult material on a parcel not marked as restricted or if he does get ARed hope the Linden dealing with the case thinks this arrangement is fine (by no means guaranteed - just see the inconsistencies with returned "gambling" equipment)
ii) restrict the whole mall to age verified only, and run the risk that the mall owners on the other floors may move out due to them not receiving non-verified traffic any more
vi) move the top floor onto a new plot of land - thus increasing the cost of running the mall and reducing the profit margin
v) rebuild the entire mall, apart from the work involved, run the risk of losing store holders during the reconstruction
vi) give up and close down the mall entirely


Matthew

Errrm, did you actually read what you were replying to here? My comment here was NOT about how the land owner arranged stuff within the adult restricted parcel but how LL would implement the restriction!

Would the *LL implemented* restriction keep them out of the parcel at any height?
Would the *LL implemented* restriction just work as the current payment verified restrictions etc, and merely restrict access below 200m?

If the former, aviators will complain, as they have in the past about ban lines etc.
If the latter, than LL have not displayed common sense as the adult restriction is basically pointless unless LL also implement a ban on any adult material being placed above 200m (which will upset skybox owners and skybox renters)

Matthew

Common sense would dictate that using a security system like this would be a reasonable alternative to using the parcel restriction since it achieves the same effect but is much more localised if you want to have an adult only area within a normally unrestricted parcel.

However, will the person ARing for having adult material on a non restricted parcel use similar common sense?

Will the Linden responding to the AR request display similar common sense?

Past experience over the gambling ban (with games of skill or free play games being ARed and deleted) would suggest you can't rely on common sense being displayed by others here!

Matthew

I am sure that Linden Labs aren't this clever, but…

1. Make 'Age Verification' as intrusive as hell, make the residents hate it.

2. For those who follow 'rules' like sheep, make it as difficult as possible to register, if registration is successful, tag name as no match code, i.e. unsuccessful.

3. All Porn SIMs must be made to tag itself 'Restrictive Content'

4. Porn Sims Owners leave SL


I'm not a porn supporter in SL.

But… if two Avs in love are having sex at 'home' do they have to flag their home as 'Restrictive Content'?

everybodies details are everywhere anyway....

With the internet as it is, there isnt privacy anymore...... and with every security "need" after terrorism and we arnt talking JUST 9/11 as the UK has been a terrorist hit list for years with the IRA. You give up a peice of freedom to be safe. Im a firm believer that EVERYBODY should be chiped and fingerprinted at birth...

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hear you cry.... thing is freedom only has value while you feel safe. Why shouldnt a burgler be FREE to remove your stuff, or a paedo FREE to mess with kids.
What the reality is , is that you want YOUR freedom as long as it restricts others and not you. Privacy is in your REAL house... NOT in SL. I believe that SL is a lot of things ... although it has technical problems, it is WAY beyond its years in concept. If we dont restrict and manage ... anarchy will prevail, SL was used for making slightly iffy transaction or else it would have been investigated, there WAS paedos using SL as a means to use its FREEDOM to trade kiddie pics... hwos to say it wont be used as a medium to house terrorist orginisations. Im not saying that it IS.... but it COULD be.
What LL is doing is saying....... this is an adult enviroment and the best we can do is make sure we have the systems in place to manage the problem. Its down to the resicdents if they choose to verify, but they WILL be restricted to certain parcels. If a news paper choose to cam into your parcel while you are shagging a gorean mech with paws tail and ears... then as long as you have your parcel flagged as MATURE... then you have no worries... nobody can touch you.

As for me.... I find Sex in SL hilarious ....... I put on a "virtual dick" and me and the misses jumped on a couple of pose balls while we were being showed around a friends sl home. I proceed to push streight through her back.........*lol* why ANYBODY would get thier rocks on on this i dont know..... but if you do .. good on ya.

Age verification IS NOW HERE...... either use it .... or (while its still optional) dont, but it will be manditory eventually and those that choose to go elsewhere you are fooling yourself if you believe that another service will allow it. Every society breaks down the barriers for new freedoms... but eventually those barriers come back...

An example in point is - In the Uk, we brought in Laws that stopped child abuse. Tree hugging hippies with kids called Tarquin said that we could no longer smack our kids when they are naughty, teachers were no longer able to put kids in detention, what we have now is 5 year old kids wandering the streets at 10pm because daddy doesnt live there any more and mummy is to busy to care, or we have "hoodie" chavs stood on street corners on raiding the local shop for fags and booze..... we have Parents scared of thier OWN CHILDREN or schools where the femail teachers are getting "touched up" by 14 yearold boys, and when confronted they just say they are being victimised and the teacher swore at them and tried to hit them...... teacher looses her job

All becasue we though it was a good idea to let the kids have more freedom. SL is an ADULT area.... or do you suggest we merge the grids, you want to anomynous but want the freedom to shag a furry, you can do that once you can PROOVE you are old enough to be in an ADULT system and that is done with Age Verification.... Porn sites HAVE o do it by law.... LL are under NO OBLIGATION to provide you with a free porn site but they OBLIGATED to provide the means of filtering the grid between PG and Mature areas and allow the resident to choose..... thats ALL they have to do. Remember they CAN say that by fact that SL IS an adult system verification is required anyway before access and all your precious anonymity is GONE!!!!!... I know this change is hard.... but ask yourself in reality... what do you have to fear

Perfect timing for an Official Blog post on how to get into all those hard to reach places with your camera.

Marty... uh, what's the deal? You're smart, and your post is quite evidently sincere, but... to what is it in response? I mean, you can post about anything you want, anywhere you want, but.... well, just let me express my keen interest in your opinion about the viability of IDV for protecting *Linden Labs*.

How about the other way around? They can have all these fancy methods to prove we are OVER 18, but how do they verify someone is UNDER 18 to keep them off the teen grid?

I can foresee at least a few vindictive people blaming this all on the teens, creating alt's over there and doing some reverse griefing.

Sorry Qie....
My point was only that regardless of wether or not it works, or wether or not you want it to work... but more of a case of the responsibility of actions is within the person doing the acting NOT the person providing the materials...... very much a bullet and gun mindset.

Microsoft make software.... therefor is microsoft to blaim if XP is used on a computer used to hack...or is theperson doing the hacking. Therefor.... If somebody is enjoying those behavours which are deamed adult, then it cant be realistic to say "Lindens Labs its YOUR job to protect me while i run naked through the tulips" With parcel rights and access you are essentially able to controll who ACTUALLY comes into your area.... with the ability also flag up that area as a mature area for verifieds it says that YOU have taken responsibility for your actions....very much the behavour of MOST adult people. I personaly believe that I dont want my details splashed all over the internet any more than they are allready however being an adult I am more than used to being responsible for my actions, and as I am in the +$125 tier bracket these beta's apply to the likes of me. I am also a brit ..... so with the rumour mills flagging up about taxation ... the comment that personal details to identify people on line somewhat does raise an eyebrow. just as a note... When I signed up for my ISP I signed papers with my signature from my home... this indicated that i wanted the service and that I was responsible for my actions on line through an AUP. If LL changed the AUP and said that you are responsible for all your actions regardless and anybody found doing anything more than PG will be banned then I agree this would be taking it TOO far....... so asking people to provide ENOUGH information to say ... and PROOVE within reasonable doubt that they are in a posisition to access adult material is not unreasonable for anybody ... no different to a shop asking for ID for cigs ... or a bar/club for booze. Its part of society that certain flexability is needed to insure compatibility. The Lindens arnt asking for you to give up your kink ... or what you do.... they are saying ....stand buy it... we dont care what you like ..... but we DO care that WE LL cant be sued for YOUR actions.. Allthough the fact they were able to track those paedophiles and ban them seems rather funny.... as it seems that LL can track you after all.

Which one has deeper pockets?